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USAussie
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G'day,
I made so many typos in my email yesterday regarding 455 oil filters I decided I'd send in one today to clear it up.
The Wix 51258 is the preferred oil filter:
Part Number: 51258
UPC Number: 765809512580
Principle Application: AMC (60-81), GM (67-80)
Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.338
Outer Diameter Top: 3.66
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed:
Thread Size: 13/16-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: None
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 345
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21
Gasket I.D.: 2.462
Gasket O.D.: 2.834
Gasket Thk.: 0.200
The Napa Gold filter below is the same filter re-branded:
Part Number: FIL 1258
Product Line: NAPA Gold Filters
Attributes:
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Flow Rate: 9 - 12 gpm
Gasket I.D. (Inches): 2.462"
Media Type: Glass Enhanced Cellulose
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (Inches): 2.834"
Oil Filter Height (Inches): 4.338"
Oil Filter O.D. (Inches): 3.66"
Oil Filter Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Oil Filter Thread Size (inches): 13/16 - 16
Burst Pressure: 345 psi
Gasket I.D. (mm): 63 mm
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (mm): 72 mm
Oil Filter Height (mm): 110 mm
Oil Filter O.D. (mm): 93 mm
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Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190342 is a reply to message #190322] |
Wed, 14 November 2012 20:04  |
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Thanks Rob. Wix is all I have been buying lately. Friends don't let friends run Fram. I've noticed some cheapening shortcuts in the way new AC Delco filters are now being made. Sad.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190376 is a reply to message #190366] |
Thu, 15 November 2012 07:02 |
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you would be doing your selves a big favor by putting on a by-pass
filter that is used on diesel engines, 5 or less micron, as the six
51258 is a 21 micron filter.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> We use the 51049 as it has larger filter capacity and holds more oil.
> I don't think it costs any more.
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> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM, John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks Rob. Wix is all I have been buying lately. Friends don't let
>> friends run Fram. I've noticed some cheapening shortcuts in the way new AC
>> Delco filters are now being made. Sad.
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>> Chicago, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190401 is a reply to message #190376] |
Thu, 15 November 2012 14:50 |
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USAussie
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Carlton,
I can understand wanting to get the finer filtration, however, the oil filter mount on a 455 has a bypass built into it why would
you want a second one.
What's the part number of the diesel engine oil filter you use on your GMC?
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Carleton Douglas
you would be doing your selves a big favor by putting on a by-pass
filter that is used on diesel engines, 5 or less micron, as the six
51258 is a 21 micron filter.
Carleton
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190421 is a reply to message #190417] |
Thu, 15 November 2012 17:29 |
emerystora
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Since the filter is mounted vertically with the opening at the top, why would an anti drain back valve be necessary? Would it siphon?
Emery Stora
On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Bob Drewes wrote:
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> jimk wrote on Thu, 15 November 2012 00:47
>> We use the 51049 as it has larger filter capacity and holds more oil.
>> I don't think it costs any more.
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>> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
>> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
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> Fella's;
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> The Wix 51049 does not have the Anti-Drain Back Valve, and the gasket is thinner, 0.175" vs 0.200" on the Wix 51258. The Burst Pressure PSI is less on the 51049, 260 PSI vs 345 PSI for the 51258. Nominal Micron Rating of 21 for both of these filters is the same as the filter Micron rating for the Chev/GMC Duramax Diesel and the 2012 GM Diesels, therefore no concern for these Micron ratings.
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> Bob Drewes in SESD
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190427 is a reply to message #190322] |
Thu, 15 November 2012 19:38 |
bobby5832708
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Now I've got several questions:
1. What's wrong with just using the part number that the manufacturer (engine or filter) says to use? Currently I use Wix for the GMC, Motorcraft for the Ford, and Purolator for the Toyota with the filter part numbers that are in the catalog. I'm not an automotive engineer and I don't play one on TV so I have to assume the engineers at the filter companies know what the appropriate filter would be. Am I wrong?
2. Some here have listed filters with different capacities and micron ratings. Have there ever been any tests done with these 'non-standard' filters regarding the longevity of the engine versus the 'standard' filter or are the reasons to use different filters just something that makes one 'feel good'. Matt Colie, when you were working in engine labs did you or anyone you knew do tests on the various oil filters? When an engine mfgr specified a particular filter did they specify the best filter to use or one that barely did the job? For example, I can see how a physically larger filter will hold a bit more oil but does that 'bit more oil' really do anything for engine life or is it just the 'more is better' theory? Does a filter that filters out slightly smaller particles really make the engine last longer or is it just something that might theoretically make a difference?
Sorry for all the questions but I think that when Wix specifies a 51258 filter for our GMC's there must be a reason!
Bob Heller
2017 Winnebago 29VE
Winter Springs FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190433 is a reply to message #190401] |
Thu, 15 November 2012 20:34 |
Ernest Dankert
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In the case of bypass filtration, a nominal flow of oil, typically 10% is shunted to an aux filter for much finer filtration. Heavy applications (diesel) where fine soot removal is desired is the application here.
Personally I use Amsoil in my fleet, change it once a year with Amsoil filters both air and oil.
Blow a head gasket (98 Venture) or run the garden tractor w/o oil (01 Cub Cadet; no dad it had oil in it...) and syn oil is inexpensive. When used in the full driveline you enjoy a 15% mileage increase (77 Corvette, 98 Venture, 98 Silverado). The covette is a 4 spd and shifting is much easier on cold mornings.
My GMC has Amsoil in the engine, transmission, and differential.
I am not a dealer, just want the best lubrication and filtration because anything else is poor economy.
1977 Eleganza II
Ogden NY
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190455 is a reply to message #190433] |
Fri, 16 November 2012 07:06 |
jhbridges
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A friend in collge - looooong time ago - had a Chevy II which had an outboard bypass filter fitted which used a roll of toilet paper as the element. I don't know the size particle Charmin removes, but it kept the oil quite clean for many many miles. It >was< messy to change... but in your teens, who cares? He had a CAR!!!!!
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Ernest Dankert <edankert@rochester.rr.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters
In the case of bypass filtration, a nominal flow of oil, typically 10% is shunted to an aux filter for much finer filtration. Heavy applications (diesel) where fine soot removal is desired is the application here.
Personally I use Amsoil in my fleet, change it once a year with Amsoil filters both air and oil.
Blow a head gasket (98 Venture) or run the garden tractor w/o oil (01 Cub Cadet; no dad it had oil in it...) and syn oil is inexpensive. When used in the full driveline you enjoy a 15% mileage increase (77 Corvette, 98 Venture, 98 Silverado). The covette is a 4 spd and shifting is much easier on cold mornings.
My GMC has Amsoil in the engine, transmission, and differential.
I am not a dealer, just want the best lubrication and filtration because anything else is poor economy.
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1977 Eleganza II
Fairport NY
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190457 is a reply to message #190455] |
Fri, 16 November 2012 07:26 |
C Boyd
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Hi Johnny: I would think the quality of "TP" has disengrated as most parts we are subject to these days. I really wouldn`t want RV paper as it won't contain fingers and would probably melt and form a "cone" over the drain...
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 16 November 2012 08:06 |
A friend in collge - looooong time ago - had a Chevy II which had an outboard bypass filter fitted which used a roll of toilet paper as the element. I don't know the size particle Charmin removes, but it kept the oil quite clean for many many miles. It >was< messy to change... but in your teens, who cares? He had a CAR!!!!!
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Ernest Dankert <edankert@rochester.rr.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters
In the case of bypass filtration, a nominal flow of oil, typically 10% is shunted to an aux filter for much finer filtration. Heavy applications (diesel) where fine soot removal is desired is the application here.
Personally I use Amsoil in my fleet, change it once a year with Amsoil filters both air and oil.
Blow a head gasket (98 Venture) or run the garden tractor w/o oil (01 Cub Cadet; no dad it had oil in it...) and syn oil is inexpensive. When used in the full driveline you enjoy a 15% mileage increase (77 Corvette, 98 Venture, 98 Silverado). The covette is a 4 spd and shifting is much easier on cold mornings.
My GMC has Amsoil in the engine, transmission, and differential.
I am not a dealer, just want the best lubrication and filtration because anything else is poor economy.
--
1977 Eleganza II
Fairport NY
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190471 is a reply to message #190457] |
Fri, 16 November 2012 10:12 |
jhbridges
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Well there's that. This was in the early 60s, and he was using University paper - the 'John Wayne' stuff. It never gave a problem.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters
Hi Johnny: I would think the quality of "TP" has disengrated as most parts we are subject to these days. I really wouldn`t want RV paper as it won't contain fingers and would probably melt and form a "cone" over the drain...
Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 16 November 2012 08:06
> A friend in collge - looooong time ago - had a Chevy II which had an outboard bypass filter fitted which used a roll of toilet paper as the element. I don't know the size particle Charmin removes, but it kept the oil quite clean for many many miles. It >was< messy to change... but in your teens, who cares? He had a CAR!!!!!
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> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
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> From: Ernest Dankert <edankert@rochester.rr.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters
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> In the case of bypass filtration, a nominal flow of oil, typically 10% is shunted to an aux filter for much finer filtration. Heavy applications (diesel) where fine soot removal is desired is the application here.
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> Personally I use Amsoil in my fleet, change it once a year with Amsoil filters both air and oil.
>
> Blow a head gasket (98 Venture) or run the garden tractor w/o oil (01 Cub Cadet; no dad it had oil in it...) and syn oil is inexpensive. When used in the full driveline you enjoy a 15% mileage increase (77 Corvette, 98 Venture, 98 Silverado). The covette is a 4 spd and shifting is much easier on cold mornings.
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> My GMC has Amsoil in the engine, transmission, and differential.
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> I am not a dealer, just want the best lubrication and filtration because anything else is poor economy.
> --
> 1977 Eleganza II
> Fairport NY
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #190474 is a reply to message #190427] |
Fri, 16 November 2012 10:45 |
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| bobby5832708 wrote on Thu, 15 November 2012 20:38 |
Now I've got several questions:
1. What's wrong with just using the part number that the manufacturer (engine or filter) says to use? Currently I use Wix for the GMC, Motorcraft for the Ford, and Purolator for the Toyota with the filter part numbers that are in the catalog. I'm not an automotive engineer and I don't play one on TV so I have to assume the engineers at the filter companies know what the appropriate filter would be. Am I wrong?
2. Some here have listed filters with different capacities and micron ratings. Have there ever been any tests done with these 'non-standard' filters regarding the longevity of the engine versus the 'standard' filter or are the reasons to use different filters just something that makes one 'feel good'. Matt Colie, when you were working in engine labs did you or anyone you knew do tests on the various oil filters? When an engine mfgr specified a particular filter did they specify the best filter to use or one that barely did the job? For example, I can see how a physically larger filter will hold a bit more oil but does that 'bit more oil' really do anything for engine life or is it just the 'more is better' theory? Does a filter that filters out slightly smaller particles really make the engine last longer or is it just something that might theoretically make a difference?
Sorry for all the questions but I think that when Wix specifies a 51258 filter for our GMC's there must be a reason!
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Bob,
Questions are always good. Getting correct or even just honest answers is good, too.
During my career, I was party to several lube oil and filter evaluations. The most interesting one was when GM decide to downsize the passcar oil filters. We did this huge study that involved both lab testing and fleet analysis.
Guess What?
It didn't make any difference. IF (Big IF there) the vehicle was maintained as recommended. The show would go to hell fast when the maintenance was ignored. That was when the better filter showed some value. (Stories available, if you buy the beer.)
The thing we did run into was big consumer resistance to the little oil filter in the truck market. The entire truck buying group - S10 on up.
Another thing the fell out (it wasn't requested data) was that the performance of the filters used in the study seemed to relative to the level of name recognition - Inversely!! So, if you see a bunch of advertising, that is probably not what you want. That kind of leaves Wix and Hastings.
One of things that did turnout to matter in some cases were the filter features like internal relief and anti-drain back valve. As said though, this has to be assessed on a by-application basis. And as you may have guessed, if (at the client request) the wrong filter is installed and it blows off when the engine is on a full power run, the engine is probably toast before the cell automation can shut it down. (It also makes a serious mess of the test cell. - Duh)
Did I confuse the issue adequately?
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #299599 is a reply to message #299586] |
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AJ,
I went to the Wix website and searched for 33969XE but nothing came up, I removed the XE and here's what came up:
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=1732155
Use a Wix 51049 filter, it has the largest filter media surface area on the market. While you have the filter off replace the o-ring
between the oil filter adapter and oil cooler adapter as shown in these photos:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6398-455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path.html
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 12:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters
Can I use 33969XE Wix filter that is for a 6.6L GMC Diesel truck ? This is on a 1977 GMC 23ft.
Thanks.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #299600 is a reply to message #299597] |
Sun, 24 April 2016 09:00 |
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Larry,
According to the Mobil 1 website it's M1-203. Unfortunately the Mobil 1 website does not provide the media spec (microns filtered)
and neither do any of the other websites I checked as AA below:
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/mobil1-extended-performance-oil-filter-m1-203/16670007-P#fragment-2
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 8:41 AM
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Hey Rob,
By chance, do you have the specs for the Mobil 1 filter?
larry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Oil Filters [message #299608 is a reply to message #190322] |
Sun, 24 April 2016 11:25 |
Chris Tyler
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A friend in collge - looooong time ago - had a Chevy II which had an outboard bypass filter fitted which used a roll of toilet paper as the element.� I don't know the size particle� Charmin removes, but it kept the oil quite clean for many many miles.� It >was< messy to change... but in your teens, who cares?� He had a CAR!!!!!
�
--johnny
I remember those- FRANZ filter. Had a few friends run them. Oil stayed spooky clean, used scott tissue. Not sure if they had a bypass.
76 Glenbrook
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