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Tue, 06 November 2012 12:05  |
kerry pinkerton
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Ok, I don't want to start a fight but I'd like to know what the group knows about the rights to carry firearms in our MOTOR homes.
I have concealed carry permits that allow me the right to carry concealed weapons (and any weapon in a vehicle is considered 'concealed' in most states). However, there are some states that do not recognize my permits (from Alabama and Arizona). And a few states like IL and NY that only recognize their own or don't allow concealed carry even for their residents. In those states, the conventional wisdom is that if you transport a pistol through the state, it must be in a locked box inaccessible from the drivers area.
However, all states (to my knowledge) allow citizens to have firearms IN THEIR HOMES. A friend told me that because the motor home was his HOME at the time, he could have his pistol outside a locked box even if he could not leave the vehicle with it.
My goal is to be able to have my pistol available in the coach in places where I cannot carry it concealed on my person and not go to jail for it.
Before someone asks I am an old fart that used to run up and down the interstates selling metalshaping tools...usually for cash. Rest areas and such can be scary places and I've actually had an "event" that makes me fairly paranoid....with some justification.
Comments?
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Guns and motorhomes [message #189329 is a reply to message #189327] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 12:15  |
GeorgeRud
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Probably this is a topic that requires one to check with each and every state since the laws do vary considerably. Here in Chicagoland, it seems that it's easiest for the criminals to just have weapons rather than law abiding citizens.
It's not worth going through the hassles of being caught red handed with a non-authorized weapon. Perhaps the NRA has a listing on their website that has the information you need.
Safe travels!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes [message #189330 is a reply to message #189327] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 12:22 |
jhbridges
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I moved here (Georgia) from there (Alabama). When I moved, I called the Attorney General's office about what could be carried in a vehicle. Here, they take the position it's tagged and licensed, you need a license to drive it, so when it's on the public thoroughfare(s) it is a 'car'. The Georgia CC permit states concealed on your person or in your automobile, not to be carried openly as a lawman. I suspect home is the same, but call and ask them.
Of interest, in Georgia, and I expect in Alabama as well, a long gun is not a concealable weapon. So, a shotgun by the seat would be perfectly legal. I can't hit bupkis with a pistol anyway - I hold a CC just because I feel it is my right to do so under the 2nd Amendment. When I travel to the seamier places though - transmitter locations tend to be - I normally carry my scattergun loaded with #2 buckshot. When I was in Birmingspam, it was located up on Red Mountain in an old mostly abandoned TV building. I'd get our of my truck and chamber a round - quite a distinctive sound from a pump shotgun - and then go see what needed to be seen to. More than once I heard people scuttling off into the bushes. I assume they were the junkies who frequented the place. But if anyone wants to create trouble in the middle of the night in the boonies, I'm ready to do business with them.
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From: Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@MCHSI.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes
Ok, I don't want to start a fight but I'd like to know what the group knows about the rights to carry firearms in our MOTOR homes.
I have concealed carry permits that allow me the right to carry concealed weapons (and any weapon in a vehicle is considered 'concealed' in most states). However, there are some states that do not recognize my permits (from Alabama and Arizona). And a few states like IL and NY that only recognize their own or don't allow concealed carry even for their residents. In those states, the conventional wisdom is that if you transport a pistol through the state, it must be in a locked box inaccessible from the drivers area.
However, all states (to my knowledge) allow citizens to have firearms IN THEIR HOMES. A friend told me that because the motor home was his HOME at the time, he could have his pistol outside a locked box even if he could not leave the vehicle with it.
My goal is to be able to have my pistol available in the coach in places where I cannot carry it concealed on my person and not go to jail for it.
Before someone asks I am an old fart that used to run up and down the interstates selling metalshaping tools...usually for cash. Rest areas and such can be scary places and I've actually had an "event" that makes me fairly paranoid....with some justification.
Comments?
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Kerry Pinkerton
North Alabama, near Huntsville,
77 Eleganza II, The Lady, 403
76 Eleganza being rebodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes [message #189331 is a reply to message #189327] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 12:23 |
powerjon
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Kerry,
Here are some sites that discuss the issue of guns and motorhomes. No
fight, you just need to have the proper information.
<http://community.fmca.com/topic/2054-traveling-with-firearms/>
<http://www.motorhomemagazine.com/motorhome-travel/armed-with-information/
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<http://blog.woodalls.com/2010/04/transporting-a-firearm-across-state-lines/
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<http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USRVCarCarry.pdf>
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
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> Ok, I don't want to start a fight but I'd like to know what the
> group knows about the rights to carry firearms in our MOTOR homes.
>
> I have concealed carry permits that allow me the right to carry
> concealed weapons (and any weapon in a vehicle is considered
> 'concealed' in most states). However, there are some states that do
> not recognize my permits (from Alabama and Arizona). And a few
> states like IL and NY that only recognize their own or don't allow
> concealed carry even for their residents. In those states, the
> conventional wisdom is that if you transport a pistol through the
> state, it must be in a locked box inaccessible from the drivers area.
>
> However, all states (to my knowledge) allow citizens to have
> firearms IN THEIR HOMES. A friend told me that because the motor
> home was his HOME at the time, he could have his pistol outside a
> locked box even if he could not leave the vehicle with it.
>
> My goal is to be able to have my pistol available in the coach in
> places where I cannot carry it concealed on my person and not go to
> jail for it.
>
> Before someone asks I am an old fart that used to run up and down
> the interstates selling metalshaping tools...usually for cash. Rest
> areas and such can be scary places and I've actually had an "event"
> that makes me fairly paranoid....with some justification.
>
> Comments?
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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| Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes [message #189332 is a reply to message #189327] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 12:27 |
Ronald Pottol
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The things that worry me are accidental jurisdiction changes, and
legal vs how the judicial system feels about it.
For jurisdiction, there are (I think) different rules for various
sorts of nationally owned land, parks, forests, wilderness areas,
military bases, etc. To some extent, the rules change for each one.
For an example, what about the rally on Treasure Island, is it
California, or is there still some chance of it legally being a
military base?
For an example of law vs the legal system, it is perfectly clear that
it would be legal for you to gas up your GMC, with your high capacity
pistol loaded with hollow points (illegal in NJ) and drive through New
Jersey, New York City, and Boston without stopping.
But if you came to the attention of the cops for some reason, they
would throw you in jail and charge you, and try hard to stick you in
prison, and keep your guns, the law be damned. (There is a federal law
about traveling that makes that legal, but that doesn't mean you would
not loose anyways, or have to spend a lot of time and money winning).
I've not researched it, though I have started to think about it, and
would love to hear any real data on the subject anyone has.
I bet if you stick to "shall issue" ccw states you will be ok, regardless.
I live in California, which is mostly wonderful (at least we have a
state preemption law), but is by no means "shall issue".
Ron
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com> wrote:
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> Ok, I don't want to start a fight but I'd like to know what the group knows about the rights to carry firearms in our MOTOR homes.
>
> I have concealed carry permits that allow me the right to carry concealed weapons (and any weapon in a vehicle is considered 'concealed' in most states). However, there are some states that do not recognize my permits (from Alabama and Arizona). And a few states like IL and NY that only recognize their own or don't allow concealed carry even for their residents. In those states, the conventional wisdom is that if you transport a pistol through the state, it must be in a locked box inaccessible from the drivers area.
>
> However, all states (to my knowledge) allow citizens to have firearms IN THEIR HOMES. A friend told me that because the motor home was his HOME at the time, he could have his pistol outside a locked box even if he could not leave the vehicle with it.
>
> My goal is to be able to have my pistol available in the coach in places where I cannot carry it concealed on my person and not go to jail for it.
>
> Before someone asks I am an old fart that used to run up and down the interstates selling metalshaping tools...usually for cash. Rest areas and such can be scary places and I've actually had an "event" that makes me fairly paranoid....with some justification.
>
> Comments?
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, The Lady, 403
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| Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes [message #189334 is a reply to message #189331] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 13:29 |
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> From: powerjon@chartermi.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:23:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes
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> Kerry,
> Here are some sites that discuss the issue of guns and motorhomes. No
> fight, you just need to have the proper information.
>
> <http://community.fmca.com/topic/2054-traveling-with-firearms/>
>
> <http://www.motorhomemagazine.com/motorhome-travel/armed-with-information/
> >
>
> <http://blog.woodalls.com/2010/04/transporting-a-firearm-across-state-lines/
> >
>
> <http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USRVCarCarry.pdf>
>
> JR Wright
> 78 Buskirk Stretch
> Michigan
>
>
> >
> >
> > Ok, I don't want to start a fight but I'd like to know what the
> > group knows about the rights to carry firearms in our MOTOR homes.
> >
> > I have concealed carry permits that allow me the right to carry
> > concealed weapons (and any weapon in a vehicle is considered
> > 'concealed' in most states). However, there are some states that do
> > not recognize my permits (from Alabama and Arizona). And a few
> > states like IL and NY that only recognize their own or don't allow
> > concealed carry even for their residents. In those states, the
> > conventional wisdom is that if you transport a pistol through the
> > state, it must be in a locked box inaccessible from the drivers area.
> >
> > However, all states (to my knowledge) allow citizens to have
> > firearms IN THEIR HOMES. A friend told me that because the motor
> > home was his HOME at the time, he could have his pistol outside a
> > locked box even if he could not leave the vehicle with it.
> >
> > My goal is to be able to have my pistol available in the coach in
> > places where I cannot carry it concealed on my person and not go to
> > jail for it.
> >
> > Before someone asks I am an old fart that used to run up and down
> > the interstates selling metalshaping tools...usually for cash. Rest
> > areas and such can be scary places and I've actually had an "event"
> > that makes me fairly paranoid....with some justification.
> >
> > Comments?
> > --
> > Kerry Pinkerton
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| Re: Guns and motorhomes [message #189352 is a reply to message #189327] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 16:35 |
kerry pinkerton
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I understand all the 'concealed carry' permit issues, what I was HOPING was that motor homes were considered different because it is our HOME.
I am a competitive shooter. That is to say that I shoot pistols in IDPA matches...not that I am competitive with good shooters.   .
If my pants are on, there is usually a pistol in my pocket. However, I understand that there are some states that don't recognize my rights and respect the laws there. Don't like it but obey them.
I'm familiar with the horror stories of NJ, which is I believe, along with NYC, the only place where it's illegal to legally own a handgun. One of the best ones is where a guy ended up in NY overnight when his flight was diverted there due to weather. His pistol was in his carry on properly checked and identified. The next am he went back to the airport and attempted to check his baggage. When he informed the gate agent that there was a firearm in his baggage he was promptly arrested and his gun confiscated. He got out of jail in a few days but never got his guns back. The argument that he had been taken to NJ against his will didn't hold water. Yet another reason not to go to NJ for me.
I went to Niagara Falls last year. Because NY doesn't recognize my permits, I had my pistol in a lockbox and left it in the hotel during our visit to the Canadian side. The border agent asked me if I had any guns and I told him no I had left it in the motel. I then asked what would happen if I said yes. He replied they would unload it and put it in their safe and I could pick it up on the way back. The problem I would have is going back through the US side in NY. In a state where I'm LEGAL, that would be OK I think.
Alabama is an open carry state also but you still have to have a CCP to have it in a vehicle. Open carry is kind of asking to be the first person shot imo but some folks want to do it.
My go to place for various state laws is:
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
Doesn't talk about long guns however.
Gary, most states reciprocate with states that honor their permit. Apparently PR doesn't honor many other states. Alabama has no training requirement which is why it isn't that widely recognized. HOWEVER, Arizona, does have a training requirement AND they offer non-resident permits. Also, they count military service as training (as they should). So if you've been to a NRA training course, etc, or are a veteran, you can get a 5 year permit for 60 bucks. I had to get fingerprinted at my local PD, and send them the application and a copy of my DD214. Two weeks later I got the permit.
Now I am legal every except the west coast, Some far NE states, IL, OH, SC, and MN. On my recent trip to Florida to look at a Royale, we drove through South Carolina. I stopped at the last exit before SC, de-gunned, and drove straight through the state and intentionally did not spend a dime. At the first GA exit, I re-gunned and bought lunch and gas. I need to write the SC Governor a letter explaining that SC is loosing revenue because of their lack of reciprocity agreements. I try to avoid places that restrict my rights but want to do the grand tour so I'll have to deal with it. I'll have to do some research on the legality of having a shotgun in the coach.
Dang, I was really hoping that Motor Homes were considered different.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes [message #189357 is a reply to message #189354] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 17:20 |
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Hmmm,
Maybe leaving the outside of Double Trouble a bit "rough" would deter thieves and they'll hit the nice shiny SOB next door! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Moss
I want to add a little something to this discussion. First let me explain that I carry no weapons in my motor home. However, I have
no problem with anyone who does, that is your right. But, recently, my motorhome was broken into and robbed while I was staying in a
very nice campground. The robbers were in and out in minutes and seemed to know just where to look for things. A retired police
officer traveling in our group told me that professional thieves know exacctly where to look for what they want. When the police
arrived they asked first if any weapons had been stolen. How glad i was that none had. So, for your own piece of mind, be sure any
weapon you have with you is really secured so that someone looking for a weapon will not be able to find and or steal yours.
Bob
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| Re: Guns and motorhomes [message #189374 is a reply to message #189327] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 19:56 |
Ken Burton
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First, my state recognizes ALL other state permits.
There was federal legislation brought up last year to have all states do as we do. It failed by 2 votes. If it is ever approved (like driver's licenses are) then it sure will be a lot easier for travelers.
There are all kinds of quirks in the mish-mash of various state laws. Here is a small example: Indiana recognizes Ohio's permits, but Ohio does not recognize Indiana permits. Ohio does recognize my non-resident Utah permit even though I'm an Indiana resident.
One other is it is illegal to have a weapon even unloaded and locked in Chicago without it being registered in their city, BUT I carry one to Chicago Ohare and Midway airports and declare it in checked baggage whenever I fly out of there. There is even a city of Chicago form that I fill out when I check it in my luggage.
Yes, I carry a gun in the GMC and sometimes on my person concealed. I also carry long guns into Canada. In Canada just fill out the CAFC form and pay the $25 CDN fee. You can declare multiple guns on the same form and it can be used for multiple entries. You are also allowed to import 100 rounds of ammunition.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes [message #189375 is a reply to message #189368] |
Tue, 06 November 2012 19:58 |
Ken Henderson
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Far better to be tried by 12 of your peers than carried by 6 of them.
Ken H.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Matt Colie wrote:
This is all such muddy water...
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> I refuse to confirm or deny the possible presents of firearms in my coach,
> but I will confirm that there is a can a "shoots 20 feet" wasp and hornet
> spray handy to the door. I carry it even thought it is illegal in Michigan
> to use it as a weapon against a human.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Guns and motorhomes [message #189413 is a reply to message #189412] |
Wed, 07 November 2012 03:49 |
Ken Burton
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Mickey,
I have a good friend that was detained and held by armed private security because he had a bow and arrow in his car. They could not arrest him, so they held him for the State Police to arrive.
When the State Police arrived and discovered he had a concealed carry permit, he was allowed to go.
Many places around here (sub divisions, stores, industrial plants, etc.) have private security and most of those rent-a-cops do not have arrest powers in this state.
So a bow and arrows are not always the solution. A CCW permit in this state allows you to carry a weapon for personal protection. There is a further stipulation that the weapon must be concealed unless you are in uniform. Inside a vehicle is considered concealed. There is no exact definition of what a weapons is. So a Bow and Arrows or large knife fall under that permit.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Guns and motorhomes [message #189419 is a reply to message #189327] |
Wed, 07 November 2012 06:13 |
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Another self defense item is WASP SPRAY. You can get it at any hardware store and most grocery stores.
Unlike pepper spray - it will eject a directional stream of fluid up to 30 feet. Unlike pepper spray it will not fog up the inside of your coach and end up affecting everyone in it.
Unlike pepper spray, you cannot wash it out of your eyes with water. It requires going to the hospital and they can clean it up.
Unlike pepper spray, it will not eventually clean itself out.
It will, however, make whomever you sprayed wish they were never born. It will not permanently harm someones eyes but they will definitely not open them until after they visit the hospital.
And it is legal in every state. And comes in very handy if you find a bee's nest.
I keep a can on the counter beside my door in our RV.
For what it's worth.
John Ruff
Chandler, AZ
1975 Eleganza
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