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Sun, 28 October 2012 19:33

JShot

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After searching the applicable sites, I don't find any mention of how much material is needed to replace a headliner. I realize that different floor plans may have a bearing on this, and I could also just go out to the coach and do some measuring.

But I'm just wondering if there is a general idea that you probably need 5 square yards, or 7, or something like that.

Any ideas?

Thanks

John Shotwell
Ridgeville Corners, OH
78 Royale Center Kitchen

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Re: Headliner Size [message #188600 is a reply to message #188579]

Sun, 28 October 2012 23:01

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I used FRP which comes in 4 x 8 panels. It took 5 panels to do my 26' Eleganza II.

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Re: [GMCnet] Headliner Size [message #188604 is a reply to message #188600]

Sun, 28 October 2012 23:47

Fred Estabrook

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Just like Armand I am doing mine right now in FRP and it will take 5
panels . They look great.
Fred 76 Ell in Florence AZ

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> I used FRP which comes in 4 x 8 panels. It took 5 panels to do my 26'
> Eleganza II.
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Re: [GMCnet] Headliner Size [message #188606 is a reply to message #188600]

Mon, 29 October 2012 00:13

Len Novak

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I use 5 panels of white ABS plastic, 4x8, to do my 78 Kingsley.

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I used FRP which comes in 4 x 8 panels. It took 5 panels to do my 26'
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Re: Headliner Size [message #188607 is a reply to message #188579]

Mon, 29 October 2012 00:16

wally

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JShot wrote on Sun, 28 October 2012 19:33

John,
If you are asking fabric size for glue up, we used 6 running yards of 72 inch wide material. We used marine hull liner and followed Pete Papas write up over on the busnuts forum. Found the best price on hull liner at
http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
The stuff is like carpet with no backing and is somewhat stretchable. 72 inches was just enough to work width wise. Perfect fit ships rolled not folded so there will be no chance of a fold crease to deal with.
We just did this and have a blog post about the job at
http://wallyandsue.blogspot.com/2012/09/hull-liner-as-headliner.html
It really makes a difference on sound while traveling.

Wally Anderson
Omaha NE
75 Glenbrook

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Re: [GMCnet] Headliner Size [message #188613 is a reply to message #188607]

Mon, 29 October 2012 07:53

Mr ERFisher

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> We just did this and have a blog post about the job at
> http://wallyandsue.blogspot.com/2012/09/hull-liner-as-headliner.html
> It really makes a difference on sound while traveling.
> --
>

WHAT A HOOT YOUR BLOG IS

- loved the liner info
- and really loved the guitar
- loved the slumping bottles (want to do this)
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- do some more looking

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Re: [GMCnet] Headliner Size [message #188622 is a reply to message #188607]

Mon, 29 October 2012 08:42

Ken Henderson

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The hull liner material is basically the same as the cheapest Ozite
indoor/outdoor carpet except that it's thinner. Since HER brothers are in
the carpet business, that's what I installed in the X-Birchaven in '98.
Not knowing any better, I used Masonite tileboard as the substrate and
fastened it permanently to the ribs with the Melamine coated side up, for
complete waterproofing. With all ot the tile board installed, and working
alone, I erected a "dead man" beam down the middle of the coach. For those
not familiar with the term, it was just a long 2x4 held up with others to
provide 3rd & 4th hands. With the carpet draped over the dead man, I
worked from one end to the other gluing up a few inches at a time on each
side, using 3M spray adhesive (don't remember the number). Since there
were no cabinets, nor a bath module, installed, there was no intricate
fitting involved and the work went quickly.

At the time I did the installation, the closest carpet color to white was a
light gray, so that's what I used; there may be a wider selection available
now, but we've never regretted the gray. The carpet's probably even less
expensive than the hull liner since it's not labelled for a special use.

There's one small bubble that I need to re-glue, other than that, the
seamless ceiling looks about like it did when I finished it.

Ken H.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Wally Anderson wrote:

>
> If you are asking fabric size for glue up, we used 6 running yards of 72
> inch wide material. We used marine hull liner and followed Pete Papas write
> up over on the busnuts forum. Found the best price on hull liner at
>
> http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
> The stuff is like carpet with no backing and is somewhat stretchable. 72
> inches was just enough to work width wise. Perfect fit ships rolled not
> folded so there will be no chance of a fold crease to deal with.
> We just did this and have a blog post about the job at
> http://wallyandsue.blogspot.com/2012/09/hull-liner-as-headliner.html
> It really makes a difference on sound while traveling.
> --
>
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Re: Headliner Size [message #188623 is a reply to message #188607]

Mon, 29 October 2012 08:45

MikeT

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Beautiful, which SKU/model number did you use. Also, what did you Cement it to, the old existing panels?

Mike Thomas Marine City, MI 77 ex Palm Beach

[Updated on: Mon, 29 October 2012 08:48]

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Re: Headliner Size [message #188628 is a reply to message #188607]

Mon, 29 October 2012 09:37

Larry

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wally wrote on Mon, 29 October 2012 00:16

{/quote]
John,
If you are asking fabric size for glue up, we used 6 running yards of 72 inch wide material. We used marine hull liner and followed Pete Papas write up over on the busnuts forum. Found the best price on hull liner at
http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
The stuff is like carpet with no backing and is somewhat stretchable. 72 inches was just enough to work width wise. Perfect fit ships rolled not folded so there will be no chance of a fold crease to deal with.
We just did this and have a blog post about the job at
http://wallyandsue.blogspot.com/2012/09/hull-liner-as-headliner.html
It really makes a difference on sound while traveling.

I used the Hulliner also. Great stuff to work with. I made each panel as a separate piece on my work bench then installed. I started with this stuff (instead of plywood) as a base because it is heaver duty, water and milldue proof and has a R3 insulation value. Got it at Menards.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g4446-new-ceilings-or-headliner.html

I glued the Hulliner to the front side and then glued "UltraTouch 48 in. x 75 ft. Radiant Barrier" SKU#100656747 from Home Depot to the back side as additional thermal and sound insulation. I made the completed piece large enough so that it "popped" into place between the right and left channels that the house wiring runs along. Here is the UltraTouch.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=100656748&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&MERCH=RE C%2d%5f%2dSearchPLPHorizontal1%2d1%2d%5f%2dNA%2d%5f%2d100656748%2d%5f%2dN#.UI6Lja5mInI
or TinyURL
http://tinyurl.com/8wnarkl

The only problem I have run into is that each of the materials when added up is much thicker than the stock ceiling and walls, which dimentionally changes things inside so that things don't fit the way they use to. So a lot of time is spent in making things "fit".

I also glued both hulliner and the radiant barrier to the front cap and cockpit side panels before installing. The combination of these things has made a huge difference in ambient sound while traveling. I will know more about its insulation capabilities when I travel in cold or hot weather.

Unless you lead a mistake free life (I surely don't) order at least 10% more material than you need. I did one reverse pattern. While I was able to use that material in other places, it really ate away at my surplus.

I called 3M and talked to their tech support about adhesives, explaining my application. They recommended "3M Super Trim Adhesive" part# 08090 to glue the Hulliner to the ceiling material because it has exceptional bond strength, and high heat and moisture resistance. It is designed to bond heavyweight automotive materials like head liners. It's expensive stuff and if you follow directions on the can, you will go through a lot of it. I used a less expensive 3M "77" to bond the radiant barrier to the top side of the ceiling. It is cheaper and doesn't have to hold in place against gravity.

So...that's JWID

Larry

78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.

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Re: Headliner Size [message #188648 is a reply to message #188579]

Mon, 29 October 2012 15:04

JShot

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Thanks to all for your responses - this was exactly what I was looking for.
We want to use the same material as you guys did , and the pics are great.
Now all that is needed is to get the material and the rest of the supplies, take down the cabinets, etc., and do the job this winter.

Thanks again,

John

John Shotwell
Ridgeville Corners, OH
78 Royale Center Kitchen

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Re: [GMCnet] Headliner Size [message #188650 is a reply to message #188648]

Mon, 29 October 2012 15:42

Len Novak

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There is an excellent photo shoot on the photo site done by Arch on just how to do this using ABS plastic. I think I also put some photos on the site when I did mine.
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78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
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---- John Shotwell <jshot@rtecexpress.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all for your responses - this was exactly what I was looking for.
> We want to use the same material as you guys did , and the pics are great.
> Now all that is needed is to get the material and the rest of the supplies, take down the cabinets, etc., and do the job this winter.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> John
> --
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> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
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Re: Headliner Size [message #188690 is a reply to message #188579]

Mon, 29 October 2012 22:25

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I know this doesn't have anything to do with the original question, but the PO of my coach, Bruce Tara, did a wonderful job on the headliner. Here's his album:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3244-headliner-installation.html

The center drop makes it really easy to add lighting or change wiring etc. Plus, it provides a great place to install flush mounted light fixtures. I would have done a few details differently, but the headliner was definitely a big selling point for me. I was really happy that I didn't have to tackle that job.

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