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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187724] Fri, 19 October 2012 23:05 Go to next message
werewilfs is currently offline  werewilfs   United States
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My bad. I too have lived out west and they really do work quite well out there. Out here, not so much. I just saw you were in Alabama and thought you asking how they worked so you could set up something similar.

Jared
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werewilfs wrote on Fri, 19 October 2012 21:14
> Swamp coolers only work where there is low humidity (like in Arizona, New Mexico, Utah).  It will not work well in the south.
>
> Jared
> 73 PD
> Amissville, VA
I know. I live here. But I have lived in areas where swamp coolers work really well.
I want to know how his project worked out for him.
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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187751 is a reply to message #187724] Sat, 20 October 2012 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jared,

If you go to the Turbo Kool website you will find a graph that shows OAT and inside air temp at various RH levels.

Before you buy one make sure you are happy with the cooling provided at the higher RH levels. As you can see the efficiency drops
off as the RH increases.

http://www.turbokool.com/cooler.html

Bottom line: if you want to use your GMC in the southeast part of the USA the Turbo Kool ain't for you.

I had an email "conversation" with the owner of the company and asked what the RH would be INSIDE the GMC with the Turbo Kool
operating. His response was something along the lines that there were too many variables to respond to that question and that he
recommended that a window be open when the Turbo Kool was operating. What that said to me was that the RH would be high inside.

Regards,
Rob M.

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My bad. I too have lived out west and they really do work quite well out there. Out here, not so much. I just saw you were in
Alabama and thought you asking how they worked so you could set up something similar.

Jared

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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187754 is a reply to message #187751] Sat, 20 October 2012 08:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some days in the desert in SoCal the humidity would rise making our
homes swamp cooler unusable and life in my apartment muggy and nasty.

I really wanted the traditional A/C on those days. :) (GRIN) I am glad
I am back in the "regular" A/C apartments today. :)

Sammy WIlliams
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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187783 is a reply to message #187724] Sat, 20 October 2012 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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((((( Just so I don't get kicked off the forum I will leave this post nameless, and it can apply to whoever a person wishes to apply it to. However anyone thats not in a coma will know right away who its for )))))

You have no clue what the RH level is you have never used one yet every time I have ever mentioned this topic you always say the same BULL and nobody checks you on it. BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT A SWAMP COOLER AT ALL YET ON EACH THREAD TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF A EXPERT. NONE OF THE INFO YOU HAVE EVER PROVIDED ((ON THIS TOPIC)) AT ALL HAS PROVED USEFUL OR CORRECT EVER. I have not commented on my cooler project just to make 100% sure when I returned I would either provide info that it was useless or gloat how wrong you were. YOU ARE WRONG, and EVERY STATEMENT YOU HAVE MADE ABOUT THIS HAS NOT APPLIED TO ANYTHING REAL, accept in your fantasy mind where GMCs are the center of a universe. HERE IS A REALITY CHECK,...... A GMC doesn't make old people young again, add hair on your head or make you lose weight.
YOU DRIVE A REALLY OLD MOTORHOME. THATS IT. ITS NOT THE SPACE SHUTTLE, ITS NOTHING BUT A COOL DESIGNED REALLY OLD MOTORHOME THATS EITHER a tiny 23ft, or a tiny bit bigger 26ft. Your GMC doesn't defy the laws of the universe. Your GMC is a old motorhome. Its a big van with a toilet, and a little sleeping space. Get over yourself. It doesn't give you more hair on your head, or make you more manly.
You always want to appear as the master of all, yet your NOT bud. The air in the GMC with the swamp cooler on 24/7 is DRY! It doesn't spit out water its a super fine mist that disappears faster then it could possibly make the RH even a bit higher.



***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia- Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187785 is a reply to message #187783] Sat, 20 October 2012 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm thinking some people don't understand life in the southwest.

Picture in your mind a large plastic cup. Fill it with ice, then
water. Set it down, wait.

Does it leave a ring? No.

Is it covered in condensation? No.

Is there no ring, and only a hint of condensation at the level the ice
is floating at? Yes.

That is what the humidity is like in Las Vegas, not in the hot months.
I would expect it to be even worse then.

Swamp coolers should work great there. In much the rest of the
country, no, and you still need your cooling at night. Out in the
desert, the temperature drops fast once the sun goes down, much less
need of cooling.

Why can't we just get along?

Or: http://xkcd.com/386/

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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187787 is a reply to message #187724] Sat, 20 October 2012 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its been a ongoing tit for tat. My GMCs air was going to be dripping with such high humidity that it was supposed to be the new BioSphere 3 on wheels.

***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia- Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187792 is a reply to message #187724] Sat, 20 October 2012 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe I should stop calling it a swamp cooler, and start calling it the more official name "evaporative cooler" Meaning it cools you while the water evaporates, not saturates the name turning it into a rain forrest.

***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia- Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"

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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187795 is a reply to message #187724] Sat, 20 October 2012 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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After living in New Mexico for the last 30 years, my brother loves when he can run his 'evaporative cooler' to keep the house comfortable. It's when the humidity rises and he has to use his AC (refrigeration in old parlance in the Southwest) that he complains how much more it costs in electrical costs.

Nothing wrong by using inexpensive, energy efficient technology when you can. I've always been sorry that we can't use such a simple system up here in the Land of Lincoln.


George Rudawsky
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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187819 is a reply to message #187792] Sat, 20 October 2012 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mr.RadioActive wrote on Sat, 20 October 2012 15:08

Maybe I should stop calling it a swamp cooler, and start calling it the more office name "evaporative cooler" Meaning it cools you while the water evaporates, not saturates the name turing it into a rain forrest.


Don't forget they are also called an Arizona goat box. I would agree with low humidity they work pretty good.


Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187822 is a reply to message #187724] Sat, 20 October 2012 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AZ Goat Box, lol never heard that one b4!

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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187937 is a reply to message #187783] Mon, 22 October 2012 07:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Surely this person can get a medical marijuana certificate?  And perhaps toke up before s/he blasts out the next one.
And while s/he's at it buy a hygrometer and measure the humidity Before and After.
 
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach

From: Michael <radioactive626@msn.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 5:06 PM
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(((((  Just so I don't get kicked off the forum I will leave this post nameless, and it can apply to whoever a person wishes to apply it to. However anyone thats not in a coma will know right away who its for )))))

You have no clue what the RH level is you have never used one yet every time I have ever mentioned this topic you always say the same BULL and nobody checks you on it.  BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT A SWAMP COOLER AT ALL YET ON EACH THREAD TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF A EXPERT. NONE OF THE INFO YOU HAVE EVER PROVIDED ((ON THIS TOPIC)) AT ALL HAS PROVED USEFUL OR CORRECT EVER. I have not commented on my cooler project just to make 100% sure when I returned I would either provide info that it was useless or gloat how wrong you were. YOU ARE WRONG, and EVERY STATEMENT YOU HAVE MADE ABOUT THIS HAS NOT APPLIED TO ANYTHING REAL, accept in your fantasy mind where GMCs are the center of a universe. HERE IS A REALITY CHECK,...... A GMC doesn't make old people young again, add hair on your head or make you lose weight.
YOU DRIVE A REALLY OLD MOTORHOME. THATS IT. ITS NOT THE SPACE SHUTTLE, ITS NOTHING BUT A COOL DESIGNED REALLY OLD MOTORHOME THATS EITHER a tiny 23ft, or a tiny bit bigger 26ft. Your GMC doesn't defy the laws of the universe. Your GMC is  a old motorhome. Its a big van with a toilet, and a little sleeping space. Get over yourself. It doesn't give you more hair on your head, or make you more manly.
You always want to appear as the master of all, yet your NOT bud. The air in the GMC with the swamp cooler on 24/7 is DRY! It doesn't spit out water its a super fine mist that disappears faster then it could possibly make the RH even a bit higher.


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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187951 is a reply to message #187937] Mon, 22 October 2012 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To All,
I think that we have exhausted all the necessary time we need to spend
on the Swamp Cooler information and issues. Unless there is something
new and exciting I think it is best for all involved to move on to
other subjects!




On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:

> Surely this person can get a medical marijuana certificate? And
> perhaps toke up before s/he blasts out the next one.
> And while s/he's at it buy a hygrometer and measure the humidity
> Before and After.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
>
> From: Michael <radioactive626@msn.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood
>
>
>
> ((((( Just so I don't get kicked off the forum I will leave this
> post nameless, and it can apply to whoever a person wishes to apply
> it to. However anyone thats not in a coma will know right away who
> its for )))))
>
> You have no clue what the RH level is you have never used one yet
> every time I have ever mentioned this topic you always say the same
> BULL and nobody checks you on it. BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT A
> SWAMP COOLER AT ALL YET ON EACH THREAD TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF A
> EXPERT. NONE OF THE INFO YOU HAVE EVER PROVIDED ((ON THIS TOPIC)) AT
> ALL HAS PROVED USEFUL OR CORRECT EVER. I have not commented on my
> cooler project just to make 100% sure when I returned I would either
> provide info that it was useless or gloat how wrong you were. YOU
> ARE WRONG, and EVERY STATEMENT YOU HAVE MADE ABOUT THIS HAS NOT
> APPLIED TO ANYTHING REAL, accept in your fantasy mind where GMCs are
> the center of a universe. HERE IS A REALITY CHECK,...... A GMC
> doesn't make old people young again, add hair on your head or make
> you lose weight.
> YOU DRIVE A REALLY OLD MOTORHOME. THATS IT. ITS NOT THE SPACE
> SHUTTLE, ITS NOTHING BUT A COOL DESIGNED REALLY OLD MOTORHOME THATS
> EITHER a tiny 23ft, or a tiny bit bigger 26ft. Your GMC doesn't defy
> the laws of the universe. Your GMC is a old motorhome. Its a big
> van with a toilet, and a little sleeping space. Get over yourself.
> It doesn't give you more hair on your head, or make you more manly.
> You always want to appear as the master of all, yet your NOT bud.
> The air in the GMC with the swamp cooler on 24/7 is DRY! It doesn't
> spit out water its a super fine mist that disappears faster then it
> could possibly make the RH even a bit higher.
>
>
> --
> ***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #187959 is a reply to message #187951] Mon, 22 October 2012 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

I'm sorry John but it is clear to me that am the object of Michael's derision and I WILL be responding.

However, it will be to address the technical issues and won't be a personal attack.

At the moment I'm busy prepping Double Trouble for her "winter's nap" as I fly back to Australia tomorrow.

Regards,
Rob M.

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:43 AM
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To All,
I think that we have exhausted all the necessary time we need to spend
on the Swamp Cooler information and issues. Unless there is something
new and exciting I think it is best for all involved to move on to
other subjects!

On Oct 22, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Johnny Bridges wrote:

> Surely this person can get a medical marijuana certificate? And
> perhaps toke up before s/he blasts out the next one.
> And while s/he's at it buy a hygrometer and measure the humidity
> Before and After.
>
> --johnny
> '76 23' transmode norris
> '76 palm beach
>
> From: Michael <radioactive626@msn.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood
>
>
> ((((( Just so I don't get kicked off the forum I will leave this
> post nameless, and it can apply to whoever a person wishes to apply
> it to. However anyone thats not in a coma will know right away who
> its for )))))
>
> You have no clue what the RH level is you have never used one yet
> every time I have ever mentioned this topic you always say the same
> BULL and nobody checks you on it. BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT A
> SWAMP COOLER AT ALL YET ON EACH THREAD TRY TO MAKE YOURSELF A
> EXPERT. NONE OF THE INFO YOU HAVE EVER PROVIDED ((ON THIS TOPIC)) AT
> ALL HAS PROVED USEFUL OR CORRECT EVER. I have not commented on my
> cooler project just to make 100% sure when I returned I would either
> provide info that it was useless or gloat how wrong you were. YOU
> ARE WRONG, and EVERY STATEMENT YOU HAVE MADE ABOUT THIS HAS NOT
> APPLIED TO ANYTHING REAL, accept in your fantasy mind where GMCs are
> the center of a universe. HERE IS A REALITY CHECK,...... A GMC
> doesn't make old people young again, add hair on your head or make
> you lose weight.
> YOU DRIVE A REALLY OLD MOTORHOME. THATS IT. ITS NOT THE SPACE
> SHUTTLE, ITS NOTHING BUT A COOL DESIGNED REALLY OLD MOTORHOME THATS
> EITHER a tiny 23ft, or a tiny bit bigger 26ft. Your GMC doesn't defy
> the laws of the universe. Your GMC is a old motorhome. Its a big
> van with a toilet, and a little sleeping space. Get over yourself.
> It doesn't give you more hair on your head, or make you more manly.
> You always want to appear as the master of all, yet your NOT bud.
> The air in the GMC with the swamp cooler on 24/7 is DRY! It doesn't
> spit out water its a super fine mist that disappears faster then it
> could possibly make the RH even a bit higher.
>
>
> --
> ***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ


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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #188035 is a reply to message #187959] Tue, 23 October 2012 01:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robert Mueller wrote on Mon, 22 October 2012 09:40

G'day,

I'm sorry John but it is clear to me that am the object of Michael's derision and I WILL be responding.

However, it will be to address the technical issues and won't be a personal attack.

At the moment I'm busy prepping Double Trouble for her "winter's nap" as I fly back to Australia tomorrow.

Regards,
Rob M.



Have a good trip. It probably will take a few days to get acclimated to standing up side down with all of the blood rushing to your head again.

Thanks again for all of your help on my coach and with the window installations at the Amana rally. Without your help we would not have made it to the Amana rally with our coach.

Finn says hello also. It was his first rally.

Ken and Laurie


Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #188254 is a reply to message #188035] Thu, 25 October 2012 18:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

You're more than welcome!

It was the least I could do considering all the help you gave me with the Owen Sound engine and the help you give EVERYBODY else!

The rally wouldn't be the same without you, Laurie, and the latest addition to the Burton Family - Finn! He's going to be a handful!

Regards,
Rob


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From: Ken Burton

Have a good trip. It probably will take a few days to get acclimated to standing up side down with all of the blood rushing to your
head again.

Thanks again for all of your help on my coach and with the window installations at the Amana rally. Without your help we would not
have made it to the Amana rally with our coach.

Finn says hello also. It was his first rally.

Ken and Laurie


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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #189126 is a reply to message #187724] Sat, 03 November 2012 22:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why is it ok for some who little clue of a subject to comment on so many topics yet know body checks him. I didn't join the forum yesterday, but have seen a ton of good people leave this forum because some people can type whatever they want, while others if they have a less popular view or a view thats opposite of a so called "guru" won't be tolerated.
Countless rants have been noted by many of us, yet know body says boo. I don't think the swamp cooler topic has been fully covered at all. I think that Rob needs to stop posting about it since he has never used one, yet knows everything about the subject all of which is completely wrong.
Rob did suggest the use of a "hygrometer" He got all in a huff that I mentioned he drives a old motorhome. These are old motorhomes, not "gods" But he suggested I use one. When I mentioned that this is a hobby, not the center of the universe I got kicked to the curb.
The swamp cooler topic is NOT a covered topic. If that was the case why do we have a forum. The same questions about TONS of topics have been covered over and over and over again. Rarely if ever does someone ask anything that hasn't been asked before. The answer to that question is because shared data from others is VERY HELPFUL and the forum keeps topics fresh with different point of views.
However some people are incredibly smart, yet argue points that are totally wrong, or when they comment nobody will ever check them.
TRUST ME EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM KNOWS THE KNOW IT ALLS THAT THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING. While these people add a ton to our knowledge base if you ever make a statement the disagrees with them watch out!
Lets all face it, I'm glad some take the GMC to levels that they do. But there are some who are late in life that have nothing to do but to become the GMC know it all, and in the big picture these people have nothing going on in life but this.

My rant can be summed up like this........ There are many roads often that lead to the same place. However if a person recommends a road that is different then the common one travelled on this site the "gurus" will make sure you look dumb for even suggesting it. Read some topics like rubber fuel lines! Why buying Chinese parts is so evil. You'll get a kick, you'll see some of the ignorance.

Very little of this has to do with Rob, but he once again thinks he is the center of everyone GMCers universe so right away thought it was all about him. Hummmm, wonder why he would have come to that conclusion??

Everything he has stated about swamp coolers have been WRONG. And if this is a forum and a member with a high post count makes WRONG statements they should be checked so others will know that person has no clue on the topic yet tries to sound like they are so smart they have to be right. Why would we end the swamp cooler topic just to pacify someone like Rob whos WRONG. Why not just tell him, ROB YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THIS TOPIC. That will never happen.

Lastly, if you think about it like this, my threads often get tons of views and post counts. If it wasn't for my alternative topics, people would still be talking about what oil to use. I like topics like, Silicone fixes tons of stuff! How I love my ultra white reflective paint roof (down to the corners and it looks terrific, How Wind Turbines make good investments, How much smell Onan generators produce and ruin the peace outdoors, and hum I can come up with tons more!


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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #189138 is a reply to message #188254] Sun, 04 November 2012 01:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually Finn had acclimated and bonded to us (primarily Laurie) and is no problem now. He has a couple of strange quirks like not fetching but other than that he is a great dog.

I send Laurie to obedience school once a week and Finn accompanies her.


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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #189139 is a reply to message #189126] Sun, 04 November 2012 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

I was going to prepare a point by point response to Michael's rant (his word), however, I decided I had better things to do with my
time.

For those of you that want to learn how evaporative coolers work here's a link to the Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporative_cooler

As far as what I've noted about swamp coolers being incorrect goes I have noted two concerns:

1) In an environment where the ambient relative humidity is above 55% the amount of cooling obtainable drops off to a point that
would be unacceptable to most people. I support that statement with the link to the Efficiency Charts on the Turbo Kool website:

http://www.turbokool.com/cooler.html

Scroll down to the bottom of the page.

2) The statement below is on the same page just above the charts.

"This cool air must be allowed to flow freely through the RV or facility being cooled and out through a window, door or vent. If the
air is restricted the cooling will be less."

I noted that if you didn't leave the window open the humidity in the GMC will reach a point that will be uncomfortable.

I never said there was anything wrong with Michael's intended use of the Turbo Kool in fact I thought it was a good idea and
considered installing one on The Blue Streak here in Australia as the Outback is hot and dry. However, to remove the A/C unit and
install a Turbo Kool on a GMC that is going to be used to tour the USA where it would be exposed to a myriad of ambient conditions
would not be a good idea.

As far as the rest of the statements that Michael has made about me below I accept as that's his opinion of me and that's OK, as we
used to say when we were kids "sticks and stones". Furthermore as far as I know I have never made any kind of derogatory statements
about Michael.

Regards,
Rob M.

PS - By the way I worked on aircraft air conditioning systems in the USAF for 4 years and went on to work for a company that built
them called Hamilton Standard as a technical rep for thirty odd years. They also built the Portable Life Support System the
astronauts wore on the Moon and the Lunar Excursion Module Enviornmental Control System. I worked on both of them too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael

Why is it ok for some who little clue of a subject to comment on so many topics yet know body checks him. I didn't join the forum
yesterday, but have seen a ton of good people leave this forum because some people can type whatever they want, while others if they
have a less popular view or a view thats opposite of a so called "guru" won't be tolerated.
Countless rants have been noted by many of us, yet know body says boo. I don't think the swamp cooler topic has been fully covered
at all. I think that Rob needs to stop posting about it since he has never used one, yet knows everything about the subject all of
which is completely wrong.
Rob did suggest the use of a "hygrometer" He got all in a huff that I mentioned he drives a old motorhome. These are old motorhomes,
not "gods" But he suggested I use one. When I mentioned that this is a hobby, not the center of the universe I got kicked to the
curb.
The swamp cooler topic is NOT a covered topic. If that was the case why do we have a forum. The same questions about TONS of topics
have been covered over and over and over again. Rarely if ever does someone ask anything that hasn't been asked before. The answer
to that question is because shared data from others is VERY HELPFUL and the forum keeps topics fresh with different point of views.
However some people are incredibly smart, yet argue points that are totally wrong, or when they comment nobody will ever check them.

TRUST ME EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM KNOWS THE KNOW IT ALLS THAT THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING. While these people add a ton to our
knowledge base if you ever make a statement the disagrees with them watch out!
Lets all face it, I'm glad some take the GMC to levels that they do. But there are some who are late in life that have nothing to
do but to become the GMC know it all, and in the big picture these people have nothing going on in life but this.

My rant can be summed up like this........ There are many roads often that lead to the same place. However if a person recommends a
road that is different then the common one travelled on this site the "gurus" will make sure you look dumb for even suggesting it.
Read some topics like rubber fuel lines! Why buying Chinese parts is so evil. You'll get a kick, you'll see some of the ignorance.

Very little of this has to do with Rob, but he once again thinks he is the center of everyone GMCers universe so right away thought
it was all about him. Hummmm, wonder why he would have come to that conclusion??

Everything he has stated about swamp coolers have been WRONG. And if this is a forum and a member with a high post count makes WRONG
statements they should be checked so others will know that person has no clue on the topic yet tries to sound like they are so smart
they have to be right. Why would we end the swamp cooler topic just to pacify someone like Rob whos WRONG. Why not just tell him,
ROB YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT THIS TOPIC. That will never happen.

Lastly, if you think about it like this, my threads often get tons of views and post counts. If it wasn't for my alternative topics,
people would still be talking about what oil to use. I like topics like, Silicone fixes tons of stuff! How I love my ultra white
reflective paint roof (down to the corners and it looks terrific, How Wind Turbines make good investments, How much smell Onan
generators produce and ruin the peace outdoors, and hum I can come up with tons more!
--
Michael,

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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #189145 is a reply to message #189139] Sun, 04 November 2012 07:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Rob,

There are some things not worth your time and are better ignored
completely. This is one of them.

JMHO,

Ken H.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:

> G'day,
>
> I was going to prepare a point by point response to Michael's rant (his
> word), however, I decided I had better things to do with my
> time.
> ...
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Re: [GMCnet] Ahh Swamp Cooler Life is Gooooood [message #189148 is a reply to message #189138] Sun, 04 November 2012 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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You need a BWD!  "You want it?  >YOU< got get it.  I'll wait here"
 
--johnny
 
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
'01, '06, '10 Kuvaszok


From: Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net>
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Actually Finn had acclimated and bonded to us (primarily Laurie) and is no problem now.  He has a couple of strange quirks like not fetching but other than that he is a great dog.

I send Laurie to obedience school once a week and Finn accompanies her. 
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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