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CV boot replacement help? [message #187557] Wed, 17 October 2012 12:52 Go to next message
armandminnie is currently offline  armandminnie   United States
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I read all about how to replace the CV boot without removing the axle so decided to give it a try. I managed to get the driver's side axle loose by expanding the snap ring. I can slide the axle toward the FD but not enough to get it out of the CV joint. Am I doing something wrong?

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Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187558 is a reply to message #187557] Wed, 17 October 2012 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just did my passenger-side CV boot, without removing the axle. As I recall, I had to disconnect the tie rod end on the knuckle to get enough play to get the axle out (maybe it was the upper ball joint... I really don't remember, other than it wasn't a big deal). I think you'll have a very hard time getting out the axle without disconnecting something to allow the knuckle more room to move. Remember to hit the portion of the knuckle that contains the tapered portion of the tie rod end or ball joint - that'll usually free up the joint in short order with no drama and no damage).

If I was a little closer I'd come give you a hand with the job.


Mark Hickey Mesa, AZ 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187559 is a reply to message #187558] Wed, 17 October 2012 13:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
armandminnie is currently offline  armandminnie   United States
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I tried to remove the tie rod but couldn't (don't have the tool) so proceeded without it because the writeup says it is optional. I guess it is not?

Armand Minnie
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Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement help? [message #187561 is a reply to message #187559] Wed, 17 October 2012 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Armand,

Here's a primitive Pete tie rod end removing method:

1) remove the caste nut
2) flip it over
3) thread it back on until the nut is level with the ends of the threads
4) get a small sledge and smack it a couple of times

Dollars to donuts it will come off.

You could visit your local auto store and rent the tool.

Regards,
Rob

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I tried to remove the tie rod but couldn't (don't have the tool) so proceeded without it because the writeup says it is optional. I
guess it is not?
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Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187562 is a reply to message #187559] Wed, 17 October 2012 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I found I couldn't get my axle out without some more wiggle room, so removed the tie rod end (or ball joint... don't remember for sure).

Usually the only tool you need to remove a tie rod end is a hammer. Just hit (really, really hit!) the knuckle right where the tapered end of the tie rod end goes through. The dynamics of this impact will generally loosen the tapered force-fit connection between the two pieces, and leave the tie rod end loose enough to tap out with a very light smack, or often, it'll just fall out.

Counter-intuitively, hammering on the other end of the tie rod end (the nutted end) will generally not do squat, other than possibly messing up the threads.

Good luck with your repair!


Mark Hickey Mesa, AZ 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187563 is a reply to message #187562] Wed, 17 October 2012 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the help. I think I'll go borrow the tool from the local o'reilly store. IBMer I knew years ago used to say - don't use force, get a bigger hammer - but I don't have a big hammer.

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Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187564 is a reply to message #187563] Wed, 17 October 2012 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh... I used a regular framing hammer to disconnect tie rod ends and ball joints. It's really more about how "sharp" the impact is than how "big" it is. FYI, I've also used the other methods mentioned here (hammering on the nutted end, and using a pickle fork), but have found that hitting the knuckle with a hammer to be by far the most successful, least damaging, easiest and - as an added bonus - most satisfying. Laughing

Mark Hickey Mesa, AZ 1978 Royale Center Kitchen
Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187566 is a reply to message #187564] Wed, 17 October 2012 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I have a hammer that is big enough. I'll give it a try - I really do feel like hitting that thing now and then.

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Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187567 is a reply to message #187557] Wed, 17 October 2012 14:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When I did mine I got the shafts out without unhooking tierod ends. Don't remember anything on left other than turning hard one way and on the right taking the oil filter off. The best trick I figured out in keeping grease out of the internal area on the large ID of the rubber boot, so it would seal good to the joint, when working with it was after sliding it up on the shaft and while greasing the the actual joint up good, was to turn the lip out over itself and then when you slide it down over the joint you get no grease on the seal surface. I also used an adapter needle on the grease gun, which looked like a hyperdrmic needle to make sure the grease was thoroughly injected in the joint. just some thoughts with multiple run-on sentences.
Skip Hartline


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Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187568 is a reply to message #187557] Wed, 17 October 2012 15:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also strongly suggest spraying down the boots with some 303 aerospace protectant, or something like it, when you get through, they seem to dry rot real fast no matter who makes them.
Skip


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Re: CV boot replacement help? [message #187825 is a reply to message #187557] Sat, 20 October 2012 21:33 Go to previous message
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Re removing a ball joint or tie rod out of the tapered hole. I find it works well if you have 2 small short handled "sledges" like 2 1/2 pounds each. Figure out which hand you want to swing with. May not be the hand you would normally hammer with due to things being in the way. With your other hand, hold the other large "hammer on the backside of what you are going to hit. Hit the "front" side hard and sharply. Don't "pussy" about. For a tie rod, quite often 1 blow will do.

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