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Sat, 13 October 2012 14:48  |
AutoTraveler
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Some of you know me as the outsider who has written about GMC Motorhomes for my website AutomotiveTraveler.com and my digital magazine Automotive Traveler. I am also working on a proposal for a vintage RV magazine, to start publishing next spring.
But right now, as I have self-published two automotive photo books, I want my next effort to be a book on GMC motorhomes.
Each page of these books are 8.25 inches wide by 6 inches high. The book will open with an updated overall history of the GMC Motorhome that appeared last year in Automotive Traveler magazine.
If anyone wants to point out any inaccuracies or make any suggestions to update the text, please E-mail me. I have just found a great article by William Bryant on the GM Heritage website that I think will be invaluable in making my text more complete. Is William a member of this group/forum?
I want to combine the updated text and historical and in-period photos with up to a dozen two-page spreads of a broad cross-section of GMC Motorhomes. Here's an example of how the coach pages will be presented.
Each individual page will look like this, 8.25 inches wide by 6 inches high.
(These are photos of a coach I took last year that I wanted very much to buy but couldn't. But it will give you an idea of the style of layout and presentation that I have in mind for the book.)
In selecting the GMC Motorhomes to be featured in the book, I want to include both 23- and 26-foot models, some in original condition, some highly modified or updated along with significant conversions that served a commercial purpose and have survived, like the Coca-Cola GMC motor home.
I also want to include some classic GMC Motorhome ads as well as some brochure pages. I might even include a complete brochure (no more than eight pages) if I can acquire some high-res scans.
If if you like to have your GMC Motorhome one of the coaches featured in the book, here's what I need.
Your name and hometown
Year and model of your coach
How long you've owned it
Current mileage
List of places you've visited with your coach
For photography, I need high-quality, high-res images, a minimum of 2000 pixels wide (3000 pixels wide or more preferred)
At least two exterior, prefer in a campground or on-the-road setting if possible
At least six photos of the interior of your coach that I can choose from going from front to rear, showing the cockpit, the living area, the galley, bathroom, and bedroom. I need shots that are both horizontally and vertically oriented.
Because these photos will be used in a book, I suggest that if possible, you park your coach in the shade or photograph your interior on a cloudy day to minimize harsh shadows. If you have a tripod, and know how to use your camera's self timer, use both. This will allow you to take better, sharper photos.
If you have any questions, please contact me. As I already have the book's template completed, I would love to get this book published well before the Christmas holidays.
If anyone has materials that they would like to see included in the book, please contact me via E-mail.
If you want to talk with me over the phone about this project, especially if you think you might be able to help or contribute in some way, send me an E-mail with your phone number along with a best time to call.
Please feel free to post a link to this message in any GMC Motorhomes that you think appropriate. I really want this to be a community effort. There have been books published about Airstreams, now I think is the time to publish a comprehensive book on the innovative GMC Motorhomes. I'm sure that most of you will agree with me.
Thanks in advance,
Richard Truesdell
Founder and Editorial Director AutomotiveTraveler.com and Automotive Traveler magazine
GMC Motorhome fan (and hopefully, a future owner)
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK [message #187144 is a reply to message #187137] |
Sat, 13 October 2012 15:59  |
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Richard,l
I applaud your efforts and really enjoyed reading the GMC historical information for which you supplied the links. I think you tried to include some pictures but unfortunately our GMC net does not work for pictures. Instead youhave to be posted somewhere then give us the link in your email to the net.
Bob Sobrito
1978 Palm Beach
La Mesa, Ca
antique pocket watch repair
On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Rich Truesdell wrote:
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> Some of you know me as the outsider who has written about GMC Motorhomes for my website AutomotiveTraveler.com and my digital magazine Automotive Traveler. I am also working on a proposal for a vintage RV magazine, to start publishing next spring.
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> But right now, as I have self-published two automotive photo books, I want my next effort to be a book on GMC motorhomes.
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> Each page of these books are 8.25 inches wide by 6 inches high. The book will open with an updated overall history of the GMC Motorhome that appeared last year in http://www.automotivetraveler.com/magazine/viewer.php?path=2011/04/GMC_Motorhomes.
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> If anyone wants to point out any inaccuracies or make any suggestions to update the text, please mailto:richt@automotivetraveler.com me. I have just found a http://history.gmheritagecenter.com/wiki/index.php/The_GMC_MotorHome by William Bryant on the GM Heritage website that I think will be invaluable in making my text more complete. Is William a member of this group/forum?
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> I want to combine the updated text and historical and in-period photos with up to a dozen two-page spreads of a broad cross-section of GMC Motorhomes. Here's an example of how the coach pages will be presented.
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> Each individual page will look like this, 8.25 inches wide by 6 inches high.
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> (These are photos of a coach I took last year that I wanted very much to buy but couldn't. But it will give you an idea of the style of layout and presentation that I have in mind for the book.)
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> In selecting the GMC Motorhomes to be featured in the book, I want to include both 23- and 26-foot models, some in original condition, some highly modified or updated along with significant conversions that served a commercial purpose and have survived, like the Coca-Cola GMC motor home.
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> I also want to include some classic GMC Motorhome ads as well as some brochure pages. I might even include a complete brochure (no more than eight pages) if I can acquire some high-res scans.
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> If if you like to have your GMC Motorhome one of the coaches featured in the book, here's what I need.
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> Your name and hometown
> Year and model of your coach
> How long you've owned it
> Current mileage
> List of places you've visited with your coach
>
> For photography, I need high-quality, high-res images, a minimum of 2000 pixels wide (3000 pixels wide or more preferred)
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> At least two exterior, prefer in a campground or on-the-road setting if possible
> At least six photos of the interior of your coach that I can choose from going from front to rear, showing the cockpit, the living area, the galley, bathroom, and bedroom. I need shots that are both horizontally and vertically oriented.
>
> Because these photos will be used in a book, I suggest that if possible, you park your coach in the shade or photograph your interior on a cloudy day to minimize harsh shadows. If you have a tripod, and know how to use your camera's self timer, use both. This will allow you to take better, sharper photos.
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> If you have any questions, please contact me. As I already have the book's template completed, I would love to get this book published well before the Christmas holidays.
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> If anyone has materials that they would like to see included in the book, please contact me via mailto:richt@automotivetraveler.com. mailto:richt@automotivetraveler.com
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> If you want to talk with me over the phone about this project, especially if you think you might be able to help or contribute in some way, send me an E-mail with your phone number along with a best time to call.
>
> Please feel free to post a link to this message in any GMC Motorhomes that you think appropriate. I really want this to be a community effort. There have been books published about Airstreams, now I think is the time to publish a comprehensive book on the innovative GMC Motorhomes. I'm sure that most of you will agree with me.
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> Thanks in advance,
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> Richard Truesdell
> Founder and Editorial Director http://automotivetraveler.com and http://automotivetraveler.com/magazine/magazine.php
> GMC Motorhome fan (and hopefully, a future owner)
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| Re: I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK [message #187148 is a reply to message #187137] |
Sat, 13 October 2012 16:37 |
C Boyd
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If anyone wants to point out any inaccuracies or make any suggestions to update the text, please E-mail me. I have just found a great article by William Bryant on the GM Heritage website that I think will be invaluable in making my text more complete. Is William a member of this group/forum?
Sir: Yes Bill lurks around here. The 78 Palm Beach you show is probably a 76 0r 77. The 78s had real louvers in the side for the fridge vent instead of the door, The 403 engine came in mid 77-78. The 78s had a full 3 color stripe. Here is what the 78 looks like
http://www.bdub.net/publications/1978%20GMC%20Motorhomes/1978%20Models.htm
I tried your e-mail link but I don`t have outlooked hooked up so I could not contact you direct as you requested.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK [message #187165 is a reply to message #187137] |
Sat, 13 October 2012 20:23 |
JohnL455
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Interesting project to undertake. I too applaud the effort. I think you would fo well to have some of our senior members and historians proof read before release as shown by the 78 error C. Boyd pointed out and I had noticed as well. Sometimes owners may pass down bad info or not remember totally clearly.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK [message #187213 is a reply to message #187148] |
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I did not see a Palm Beach, but I did see what looks to be 1977 Eleganza II miss labeled as a 1978.
I am saying 1977 due to the stripes and dash. I am saying Eleganza for the colors, both inside and out. (Chuck brings up the refer door.) As a 1977, it COULD have the 403, if late 77. Something I did notice there isn't any model name on the striping. Seems odd, maybe replacements? Please note that almost anything could have changed in the 35 years from the time it left the factory.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK [message #187265 is a reply to message #187223] |
Sun, 14 October 2012 19:26 |
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The exterior could be "restored" to look like new.
As to 403, yes, they quickly rolled over from the 455 to the 403. 1977 was
the year of the big GM engine fiasco. I ordered a 77 Olds Delta 88 Royale
with a 4bbl 350. What I received was a 4bbl 403 just to be sure I got an
Oldsmobile engine instead of the 2bbl Chevy 350. I had no idea at the time
that I'd get a 78 GMC in 2007 with a 403.
By the way, I also ordered and got the wire wheel covers. One month later,
while parked at a concert downtown, they were stolen. Someone else liked
them, too.
Byron Songer
Louisville, KY
News and Web Editor, GMC Eastern States
http://www.gmceast.com
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>> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:20:32 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK
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>> Rich,
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>> Ask the seller for a clear photograph of the Service Parts
>>Identification label from the inside of the glove compartment door. It
>> has the VIN number and all the info you'll need to determine EXACTLY
>>what model it is.
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>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rich Truesdell
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>> Thanks to those who commented.
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>> I thought that the unit I was considering buying was a 1978 model but
>>obviously it is not. Can anyone help me make a more positive
>> ID, based on the photos. I'm assuming it's a 1977 but not knowing
>>exactly what engine is in the coach -- I thought the seller said
>> it was a 403 -- can anyone nail down the year?
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>> I'm hoping that owners with photogenic coaches will want to participate
>>and contribute. Two owners did contact me via
>> mailto:richtruesdell@gmail.com so I'm assuming that the link is
>>working. I hesitate to put mu E-mail address in the text but if you
>> send me a PM I will be happy to provide it to you.
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>> Richard
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| Re: I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK [message #187267 is a reply to message #187148] |
Sun, 14 October 2012 20:16 |
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Chuck & others,
Thanks for catching and identifying the inaccuracies in the article. Any new publication needs to be reviewed for errors by someone in the know (like you guys) prior to publication.
I am aware of two existing publications presently with a number of errors (my opinion).
1. GMC the first 100 years, Gunnell (I have identified the inaccuracies to the author).
2.An existing article by someone we all know who shall remain nameless because I don't want to start a conflict.
Note:"useful hints"
If you are looking at the exterior of a GMC and can't tell if it is a 1976, 1977, 455 or 403 here are hints to help, not absolute but very close.
1976 water fill door has lock centered in the door.
1977 water fill door has lock offset in the door (78 also but we can tell them apart).
1977/455 Usually has furnace with two rectangular furnace vents (same as 1975 & 76)
1977/403 usually has furnace with two round furnace vents (same as 78).
If modified, all bets off.
Now you know my secrets :^(
Lurker Bill
Re: I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK
Sat, 13 October 2012 17:37
C Boyd
If anyone wants to point out any inaccuracies or make any suggestions to update the text, please E-mail me. I have just found a great article by William Bryant on the GM Heritage website that I think will be invaluable in making my text more complete. Is William a member of this group/forum?
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'M WORKING ON A GMC MOTORHOME PHOTO HISTORY BOOK [message #187323 is a reply to message #187280] |
Mon, 15 October 2012 10:20 |
David Greenberg
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Everything you say about changes over time is correct. My own coach
changed from a 403 to a 455. BUT, what I am trying to accomplish is to
avoid generalizations like the engine change came about "in mid 77" or
"77/78" or sometime in the 70s (I made that last one up) and use the
stake in the ground TZE number or March 1st 1977. When the
generalizations get repeated a few hundred times they become fact and
end up in Wiki or a publication.
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Jim Galbavy wrote on Sun, 14 October 2012 20:03
>> Dave,
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>> Everything that has been mentioned about the 403 /455 is based on what came out of the factory 35 to almost 40 years ago.
>> Yes you can base the year on the vin # but many GMCs here have had 3 or 4 engines since then and some 403s I bet have been replaced with 455s. With numerous POs there is no telling what is in these coaches (or how many miles of unmarked aftermarket wire. ;)
>> Some of this is good historical reference, but not current in the coach. I know mine was stripped by Prevost and redone. Doesn't look like anything from the factory. Got the pictures on DVD of the strip and rebuild.
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>> jim galbavy
>> '73 x-CL ANNIE
>> Lake Mary, Fl
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> that is why I (almost) always state something like this: Quote:
>> ... Please note that almost anything could have changed in the 35 years from the time it left the factory. ...
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> That said, I suspect more coaches are closer to what came from the factory that have been totally changed. (Other than paint.)
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> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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