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| The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185116] |
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JBO
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It would appear that my dream of connecting into my large 62 pound propane tank is not going to happen. It would appear that all propane BBQs are designed to run off 20 pound tanks.
Bought ourselves a little Weber Q100 that is designed to run off the small portable propane bottles, but can also run off a larger propane tank (20 pounder only it would appear).
I found this out the hard way. I bought this nice little “T” connector and a 25’ quick connect hose. I had this great plan of tapping into the big tank for the little Q.
Installed the “T” hooked up the hose to the Q and it fired right up….for about a minute….could not get it to relight. Tried the Q with a small propane bottle fired right up again..…contact Weber to ask …what up?
That’s when I was informed that all propane BBQs sold in Canada have a built in safety feature that monitors the flow of propane and are designed to work off the pressure and flow of the 20 pounders. Any other size will not work as the safety feature will view the different flow and pressures as a fault.
Thus putting the BBQ into safe mode.
Even the RV place where I bought the “T” and hose didn’t know this. They took it all back…so no problem there. I’m just disappointed that I cannot tap into the large tank.
It’s a big waste burning through those little tanks. How green is that? Here’s this huge tank of propane and it cannot be utilized. I really do not have the room or desire to drag around another 20 pounder with me.
Too bad someone cannot design some sort of regulator that could be incorporated with the larger tank so it would send the correct flow and pressure to these BBQs.
Who knew the propane world was so regulated? Not me cause I have had a Weber hooked up to natural gas for 15 years...
Jim Owens,
78 Royale,
Out skirts of Kitchener, Ontario
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| Re: The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185119 is a reply to message #185116] |
Wed, 19 September 2012 19:07  |
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mike miller
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| JBO wrote on Wed, 19 September 2012 16:47 |
It would appear that my dream of connecting into my large 62 pound propane tank is not going to happen. It would appear that all propane BBQs are designed to run off 20 pound tanks. ...
... That’s when I was informed that all propane BBQs sold in Canada have a built in safety feature that monitors the flow of propane and are designed to work off the pressure and flow of the 20 pounders. Any other size will not work as the safety feature will view the different flow and pressures as a fault.
Thus putting the BBQ into safe mode. ...
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Something about this sound odd.
I had been running the portable BBQ off of the main motorhome tank for years. I only stopped because I stopped using THAT coach. (I haven't set up the current coach with a system... the tank is on the "wrong" side of the coach.)
Maybe this is something "new" or "Canadian" ???
Still doesn't seem right. When talking tanks OTHER than the little "disposable" tanks, the pressure is set by the regulator NOT the tank. Pretty much the same for flow... (When talking vapor tanks.)
Are you tapped into the high pressure side of the regulator or the low pressure side?
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185122 is a reply to message #185121] |
Wed, 19 September 2012 19:32 |
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mike miller
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| JBO wrote on Wed, 19 September 2012 17:23 |
.. Could very well be a Canadian thing. The “T” connector could only be hooked up one way, and that is after the regulator on the large tank. It all sounds like it should work but it won’t. ...
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My "tee" is on the tank side of the regulator. That gives the BBQ regulator/valve the pressure that it expects, the same pressure of the tank.
While thinking of ways to reduce pressures on fittings and lines, I have always THOUGHT that the little BBQ would work by feeding it the "11 inches of HO2" pressure from after the regulator. But never set mine up that way to try it.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185123 is a reply to message #185121] |
Wed, 19 September 2012 19:36 |
James Hupy
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Glen Gregory has a connector on his big tank. He is from Thunder Bay,
Ontario. His tap is on the tank vapor line before the regulator to the
coach appliances. He has an inline regulator on the hose to two appliances
he uses outside the coach. One is a three burner stove, and the other is a
bar b que. They both can be in use at the same time, so I know that it can
be done in Canada. They are doing the cross Canada rolling rally with
Dwayne and Sharon Jacobsen. You might ask him for details.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sep 19, 2012 5:23 PM, "Jim" <jbowens@golden.net> wrote:
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> Hey Mike,
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> Could very well be a Canadian thing. The “T” connector could
> only be hooked up one way, and that is after the regulator on the large
> tank. It all sounds like it should work but it won’t.
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> The people at Weber Canada (Onward Distributing) basically told me there
> was no way to have it work off the large tank.
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> Jim Owens,
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> 78 Royale,
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> Out skirts of Kitchener, Ontario
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| Re: The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185132 is a reply to message #185116] |
Wed, 19 September 2012 22:36 |
captjack
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I've got a T connection in my tank prior to the regulator. My coach came with the hose that connects from the T to the input of my barbeque. The fitting on the BBQ end of the hose looks just like that on a disposable cylinder. I've plugged it into two different BBQ's and they've both worked with no problems. The BBQ's also work on the cylinders. Must be a Canadian thing.
Jack Christensen - K6ROW,
'76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet",
Sebastopol, CA
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| Re: The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185135 is a reply to message #185116] |
Thu, 20 September 2012 01:30 |
Craig Lechowicz
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Location: Waterford, MI
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I have a very different BBQ, but it does work off my large GMC tank. It's a Magma Marine Kettle Grille. This was the 1st place that came up with one in a Google search.
<http://www.spinnakerjim.com/servlet/the-34/Magma-A10-dsh-207-Marine-Kettle/Detail>
I got mine on sale at West Marine, for quite a bit less than that. Although it's a little like razors and blades, as they put the grilles on sale, and hose you on the mounting kits, and the conversion to tank use fittings and valves, so it still ended up being pretty expensive. It's small, convenient, and I do like hooking it to the big tank. I hang it off the back of the ladder with a round rail mount. Thinking about making my own tripod stand for it, which would have avoided the $50 for the rail mount.
Two things I don't like about it; it's kind of a pain in the butt to clean, and for reasons I've never been able to figure out the heat is fairly inconsistent. You can put two burgers right next to each other and they cook at vastly different speeds. Gets hot in a hurry, and they recommend you not use the high setting for cooking.
Using their conversion kit, the hose hooks after the regulator, and I use a T and special gas quick coupler. The original 1 lb. cylinder set up actually comes with a small regulator, so those bottles must be at a higher pressure than our 11" systems.
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185146 is a reply to message #185116] |
Thu, 20 September 2012 07:34 |
Steven Ferguson
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Use an Extend A Stay after the coach regulator, remove the regulator from
the BBQ and install a propane quick disconnect fitting on that end of your
hose, and what ever fitting fits the Extend A Stay aux outlet. It should
work with no problems. A few years back I sold several portable BBQs to
Canadien folks and they had no problems.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Jim <jbowens@golden.net> wrote:
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> It would appear that my dream of connecting into my large 62 pound propane
> tank is not going to happen. It would appear that all propane BBQs are
> designed to run off 20 pound tanks.
>
> Bought ourselves a little Weber Q100 that is designed to run off the small
> portable propane bottles, but can also run off a larger propane tank (20
> pounder only it would appear).
> I found this out the hard way. I bought this nice little “T”
> connector and a 25’ quick connect hose. I had this great plan of
> tapping into the big tank for the little Q.
>
> Installed the “T” hooked up the hose to the Q and it fired
> right up….for about a minute….could not get it to relight.
> Tried the Q with a small propane bottle fired right up
> again..…contact Weber to ask …what up?
>
> That’s when I was informed that all propane BBQs sold in Canada have
> a built in safety feature that monitors the flow of propane and are
> designed to work off the pressure and flow of the 20 pounders. Any other
> size will not work as the safety feature will view the different flow and
> pressures as a fault.
>
> Thus putting the BBQ into safe mode.
>
> Even the RV place where I bought the “T” and hose didn’t
> know this. They took it all back…so no problem there. I’m just
> disappointed that I cannot tap into the large tank.
>
> It’s a big waste burning through those little tanks. How green is
> that? Here’s this huge tank of propane and it cannot be utilized. I
> really do not have the room or desire to drag around another 20 pounder
> with me.
>
> Too bad someone cannot design some sort of regulator that could be
> incorporated with the larger tank so it would send the correct flow and
> pressure to these BBQs.
>
> Who knew the propane world was so regulated? Not me cause I have had a
> Weber hooked up to natural gas for 15 years...
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Owens,
>
> 78 Royale,
>
> Out skirts of Kitchener, Ontario
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185167 is a reply to message #185132] |
Thu, 20 September 2012 10:21 |
Ray Erspamer
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I added a "T" with a separate valve and a 10' hose for my gas grill, works great
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Ray
Ray & Lisa
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Jack Christensen <captjack@sonic.net>
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Sent: Wed, September 19, 2012 10:36:33 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues
I've got a T connection in my tank prior to the regulator. My coach came with
the hose that connects from the T to the input of my barbeque. The fitting on
the BBQ end of the hose looks just like that on a disposable cylinder. I've
plugged it into two different BBQ's and they've both worked with no problems.
The BBQ's also work on the cylinders. Must be a Canadian thing.
--
Jack Christensen - K6ROW,
'76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet",
'65 Clark Cortez,
Sebastopol, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185176 is a reply to message #185167] |
Thu, 20 September 2012 11:07 |
Steven Ferguson
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Exactly, mine differed only in that the T was an Extend A Stay device and
the hard fittings were QD's.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> I added a "T" with a separate valve and a 10' hose for my gas grill, works
> great
> !
>
> Ray
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> Ray & Lisa
> 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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> ________________________________
> From: Jack Christensen <captjack@sonic.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wed, September 19, 2012 10:36:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues
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> I've got a T connection in my tank prior to the regulator. My coach came
> with
> the hose that connects from the T to the input of my barbeque. The
> fitting on
> the BBQ end of the hose looks just like that on a disposable cylinder.
> I've
> plugged it into two different BBQ's and they've both worked with no
> problems.
> The BBQ's also work on the cylinders. Must be a Canadian thing.
> --
> Jack Christensen - K6ROW,
> '76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet",
> '65 Clark Cortez,
> Sebastopol, CA
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| Re: The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185177 is a reply to message #185116] |
Thu, 20 September 2012 11:20 |
PettyVTX
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I had that problem once.It usually takes about 6#s to run a grill and some have a high pressure lock out. I installed a adjustable regulator and had no more problems after that and a bonus was I could turn the grill way low as the original low was what i would call MED not LOW
Ex Avion now looking for a 23'
Jeep Wrangler Towd
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| Re: The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185455 is a reply to message #185116] |
Sat, 22 September 2012 22:26 |
rickmike
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Tank pressure is dependant on the vapor pressure of propane at the tank temperature as long as there is still liquid in the tank.
Tank Pressure has nothing to do with the size of the tank.
Rick M.
1974 26' Canyonlands
aka "The General"
Clinton, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues [message #185469 is a reply to message #185455] |
Sun, 23 September 2012 08:50 |
jhbridges
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I dunno what it costs out there... but I filled mine yesterday at Riverside LP in Heflin, AL. 9 gallons at $1.74/9 a gallon. I was pleasantly surprised.
johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
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From: Richard Michelhaugh <rick.michelhaugh@frontiernet.net>
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Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The Propane BBQ Tank Blues
Tank pressure is dependant on the vapor pressure of propane at the tank temperature as long as there is still liquid in the tank.
Tank Pressure has nothing to do with the size of the tank.
Rick M.
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1974 26' Canyonlands
aka "The General"
Clinton, TN
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