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| Black List help needed in Indiana [message #182050] |
Mon, 27 August 2012 22:30  |
gbarrow2
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Currently in Gas City, Indiana with a bad ps pump in a 76 GMC.
Too late tonight to call people. Already irritated one person by calling a wrong number listed on the Black List.
Could do it my self; but this time I would prefer to find a shop that will replace the pump while I rent a car and go do some more interesting things.
Can drive to wherever- difficult but doable. Any suggestions?
Lraning toward Larry Dilk's recommended shop in Greenfield.That wasa the wrong cell phone number.
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: Black List help needed in Indiana [message #182056 is a reply to message #182050] |
Mon, 27 August 2012 23:25  |
crash24
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That is a standard "P Series" Saginaw Pump. You should be able to find one in any corner store. Just check the fittings.
The are on millions of GM trucks from 4.3 V-6 to C/K series.
| gbarrow wrote on Mon, 27 August 2012 20:30 |
Currently in Gas City, Indiana with a bad ps pump in a 76 GMC.
Too late tonight to call people. Already irritated one person by calling a wrong number listed on the Black List.
Could do it my self; but this time I would prefer to find a shop that will replace the pump while I rent a car and go do some more interesting things.
Can drive to wherever- difficult but doable. Any suggestions?
Lraning toward Larry Dilk's recommended shop in Greenfield.That wasa the wrong cell phone number.
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| Re: Black List help needed in Indiana [message #182059 is a reply to message #182054] |
Tue, 28 August 2012 00:02 |
Ken Burton
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You have a lot of options. listed by Distance.
I am not listing area codes intentionally
The first two Dick and Larry are area codes of three one seven
Blaine is area code seven six five
Tony and Ray are area code five seven four
Irv is area code two six oh
I am area code two one nine
Dick Groves in Nobelsville 773-3332 501-2161
Larry Dilk in Indiananpolis 862-4110 590-3200
Blaine Merrell in Bainbridge 522-3241
Tony Partridge in Logansport 722-3871 721-4911
Ray Swartzendruber in Syracuse 457-3964 457-6448
Irv Troyer in Lagrange 463-2247 350-2666
Me (Ken Burton)in Hebron 988-4547
I tried to list them by distance.
If you do not find any one closer, call me. I'll come out there. It is 142 miles for me. Blaine might have a used pump around. You are about 100 miles from Blaine.
Other than that we would have to find one. I did not look up the part number so I do not know it's availability.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Black List help needed in Indiana [message #182060 is a reply to message #182056] |
Tue, 28 August 2012 00:04 |
Ken Burton
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I assume you will need a pulley puller to install a new one. I have one here but they are less than $15.00 at Harbor freight.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Black List help needed in Indiana [message #182085 is a reply to message #182059] |
Tue, 28 August 2012 08:18 |
gbarrow2
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Ken,
Thanks to you and all others for the suggestions.
I had already checked locations of the Indiana Black List members.
Since I don't want to do the work my self even with help; I was hoping for a rec for a local shop.
I decided to spend the night here in Gas City and see if any shop here would do the job.
Bo's Auto Service opened at 8:00. They will have the part here by 1:00 and I should be on my way.
Expect the rest of the trip to be trouble free.
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List help needed in Indiana [message #182102 is a reply to message #182092] |
Tue, 28 August 2012 11:00 |
gbarrow2
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Gene,
Could have but I have ~2000 miles to go. Thought it might be best to fix it and replace all the belts while it apart.
Found a shop this am about 1/2 mile from where the pump failed that is doing the job. Pump is off- The shaft has broken loose from the gear. Waiting fo Napa to deliver new pump.
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List help needed in Indiana [message #182345 is a reply to message #182136] |
Thu, 30 August 2012 06:50 |
gbarrow2
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Thanks to all for suggestions.
Got the new ps pump installed- works great- even steers easier than before the old one failed.
Shop that did the r&r was:
Bo's Auto Service- East main street- Gas City, Indiana-
Not that ps pump replacement is that complicated; but were WILLING to tackle the GMC.
I recommend them if any one needs help in that area.
Left Gas City about 4:30 and made it to Oak Lake Campground in Fair Oaks off I65 south of Hobart, Indiana for the night.
Nice quiet place with good shaded sites.
Not much else in the area.
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| cutting the belt [message #182383 is a reply to message #182092] |
Thu, 30 August 2012 09:58 |
bukzin
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[quote title=Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 07:21]did you cut the belt,and drive on?
gene
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Is cutting the V-belt a standard roadside option?
Any reason (or situation) we should not do that?
Thanks!
Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
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| Re: cutting the belt [message #182392 is a reply to message #182383] |
Thu, 30 August 2012 10:26 |
Carl S.
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[quote title=bukzin wrote on Thu, 30 August 2012 07:58]| Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 07:21 |
did you cut the belt,and drive on?
gene
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Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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Is cutting the V-belt a standard roadside option?
Any reason (or situation) we should not do that?
Thanks!
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I can't see where cutting the V-belt would have helped in this situation. The PS pump is driven by two belts. If you cut them both, you would loose the alternator as well. Cutting the short, main belt to the PS pump would still leave the pump driven by the belt that goes on around the alternator pulley. You could always cut both belts, fire up the Onan, jumper the boost solenoid, and proceed on Onan power, but that would be an emergency only procedure.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] cutting the belt [message #182420 is a reply to message #182407] |
Thu, 30 August 2012 12:43 |
Carl S.
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[quote title=Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 30 August 2012 09:37]read pdf here
http://goo.gl/6FYiA
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That's a wonderful presentation on the belts, but...even if you cut the PS belt, it is still being driven by that 1/8 wrap of the alternator belt.
Am I wrong?????
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] cutting the belt [message #182437 is a reply to message #182432] |
Thu, 30 August 2012 15:42 |
Carl S.
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| crash24 wrote on Thu, 30 August 2012 12:35 |
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> | Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 07:21 |
did you cut
> the belt,and drive on?
> gene
That's a wonderful presentation on the belts, but...even if you cut the PS belt, it is still being driven by that 1/8 wrap of the alternator belt.
Am I wrong?????
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YES AND NO IIRC it depends if you have a double alternator pulley or not.
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Double pulley...single pulley...it makes NO difference. The power steering pump is driven by two different belts. Cut one, and the other still drives it. If you want to get the alternator out of the system, you can do that if you have a single alternator pulley, and still have a functioning PS pump. But the Power steering pump will be driven as long as there is a belt going to the alternator, even without it's own dedicated belt. Granted; the PS pulley will only be driven by 1/8 of a wrap of the alternator belt, but it is still being driven. Look at Gene's PDF on the belts again and it will be obvious. If it is not, here is a pic of my belts with the double alternator pulley (which works very well, thank you!) to illustrate it better:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/timing-chain-radiator-project-05-09/p34549-timing-chain-radiator.html
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] cutting the belt [message #182461 is a reply to message #182437] |
Thu, 30 August 2012 19:11 |
crash24
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I have the same setup as you and according to the experts, it is WRONG! With the OEM setup, you can come home on one belt driving the waterpump, no matter what you loose. PS pump, alternator or AC. With our setup, you can not.
SO IT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
| Carl S. wrote on Thu, 30 August 2012 13:42 |
| crash24 wrote on Thu, 30 August 2012 12:35 |
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> | Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 28 August 2012 07:21 |
did you cut
> the belt,and drive on?
> gene
That's a wonderful presentation on the belts, but...even if you cut the PS belt, it is still being driven by that 1/8 wrap of the alternator belt.
Am I wrong?????
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YES AND NO IIRC it depends if you have a double alternator pulley or not.
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Double pulley...single pulley...it makes NO difference. The power steering pump is driven by two different belts. Cut one, and the other still drives it. If you want to get the alternator out of the system, you can do that if you have a single alternator pulley, and still have a functioning PS pump. But the Power steering pump will be driven as long as there is a belt going to the alternator, even without it's own dedicated belt. Granted; the PS pulley will only be driven by 1/8 of a wrap of the alternator belt, but it is still being driven. Look at Gene's PDF on the belts again and it will be obvious. If it is not, here is a pic of my belts with the double alternator pulley (which works very well, thank you!) to illustrate it better:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/timing-chain-radiator-project-05-09/p34549-timing-chain-radiator.html
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