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| Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181044] |
Tue, 21 August 2012 05:55  |
Ken Burton
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Specifically do not buy any regular unleaded gas in Lake, Porter, and Laporte counties of Indiana. BP is shutting down various stations of all brands in these three counties that received fuel shipments between last Monday and last Friday.
People are reporting problems all over the area and the car dealers are making big bucks overcharging people for plugs, wires, etc, plus draining tanks. All of this is over a contaminated fuel problem coming out of the BP refinery in Whiting, Indiana. This affects all fuel brands in the area as BP supplies almost all fuel here no matter what brand it is sold under.
They have not determined exactly which stations are affected. If you are traveling through the area, stop for fuel in St.Joe county (South Bend) and anywhere east of South Bend across the state. Also southern Michigan stations are not affected. All of those northern central Indiana and southern Michigan stations get their fuel from the Niles, Michigan terminals.
BP is not stating what exactly the problem is, but from the mechanics I talked to it looks like they mixed too much craponol in the gasoline. Niles, Michigan gets their fuel from BP via a pipe. Craponol mixed fuel can not be shipped by pipeline and there is no craponol mixing facilities in Niles.
One mechanic I talked to said the symptoms are very similar to what happens when idiots put e-85 in a vehicle that can not handle it. I asked him to save me some fuel if he gets in another one to drain the tanks. I want to test it myself for craponoil content.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181067 is a reply to message #181044] |
Tue, 21 August 2012 09:09  |
gbarrow2
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Ken,
Thanks for the heads up.
I am picking up a coach near Indianapolis on Sunday and will be passing through N/W Indiana. Sure don't want to start off a trip with a load of bad gas.
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181097 is a reply to message #181067] |
Tue, 21 August 2012 11:25 |
Ken Burton
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If you are coming north on I-65, I suggest you stop an exit 201 and fill up there. There are several stations there. That will give you enough fuel to get completely out of the Chicago area.
The interesting thing is BP is only claiming to have problems in NW Indiana but the BP refinery is the major supplier to all of the Chicago metro area. The BP refinery is located less than 5 miles from the Illinois and City of Chicago border. Other than sounding the recall and closing some stations of various brands, BP is being very quiet about the exact nature of their problem and who exactly is impacted.
Good luck on your trip.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181152 is a reply to message #181044] |
Tue, 21 August 2012 17:41 |
Ken Burton
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It looks like I was wrong about crapanol problems. It is something called "polymeric residue". Also the geographic area has expanded to small parts of Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
Here is a news quote from the Chicago Tribune:
A 50,000-barrel batch of gasoline, or 2.1 million gallons, has been recalled by BP's Whiting refinery after hundreds of reports of hard-starting and stalling vehicles from motorists flooded Northwest Indiana repair shops the past few days.
The fouled fuel has made its way into another state. A BP spokesman confirmed late Tuesday afternoon that a small amount of contaminated premium and mid-grade fuel was trucked to the Milwaukee area and sold between Monday evening and Tuesday morning before the company halted sales.
Previously, BP said the contaminated fuel was contained to Northwest Indiana and just across the borders into Illinois and Michigan.
BP issued a statement Tuesday, saying the regular grade gasoline was blended at its Whiting storage terminal between Aug. 13 and 17, and contained a "higher than normal level of polymeric residue." The fuel was distributed at BP stations and other retailers in the last week.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181194 is a reply to message #181152] |
Tue, 21 August 2012 20:34 |
James Hupy
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6th of August. Been using Petro Canada 91 Octane NO ALCOHOL, GMC's all
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than Blended Gas. We are presently in Wawa, (no that is not a typo)
Ontario, Canada. Trying to zero in on Dick Paterson's place. Lake Superior
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Great PR for our coaches. Havin' a ball spending our kid's inheritances.
Jim Hupy and Judy Countermine
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> It looks like I was wrong about crapanol problems. It is something call
> "polymeric residue". Also the geographic area has expanded to small parts
> of Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
>
> Here is a news quote from the Chicago Tribune:
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> A 50,000-barrel batch of gasoline, or 2.1 million gallons, has been
> recalled by BP's Whiting refinery after hundreds of reports of
> hard-starting and stalling vehicles from motorists flooded Northwest
> Indiana repair shops the past few days.
>
> The fouled fuel has made its way into another state. A BP spokesman
> confirmed late Tuesday afternoon that a small amount of contaminated
> premium and mid-grade fuel was trucked to the Milwaukee area and sold
> between Monday evening and Tuesday morning before the company halted sales.
>
> Previously, BP said the contaminated fuel was contained to Northwest
> Indiana and just across the borders into Illinois and Michigan.
> BP issued a statement Tuesday, saying the regular grade gasoline was
> blended at its Whiting storage terminal between Aug. 13 and 17, and
> contained a "higher than normal level of polymeric residue." The fuel was
> distributed at BP stations and other retailers in the last week.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181215 is a reply to message #181152] |
Tue, 21 August 2012 22:37 |
Russell Mehlenbacher
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I can't say that it is directly related, but we gassed the GMC at a
Speedway in Lawrence, IN (NE Indy) on Saturday and by the time we tried to
leave Bloomington on Monday, I was convinced that I had a serious vac.
leak. Turns out I had one, but not so serious. The end result was to load
up with premium and drive it out.
Russ
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
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>
> It looks like I was wrong about crapanol problems. It is something call
> "polymeric residue". Also the geographic area has expanded to small parts
> of Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
>
> Here is a news quote from the Chicago Tribune:
>
> A 50,000-barrel batch of gasoline, or 2.1 million gallons, has been
> recalled by BP's Whiting refinery after hundreds of reports of
> hard-starting and stalling vehicles from motorists flooded Northwest
> Indiana repair shops the past few days.
>
> The fouled fuel has made its way into another state. A BP spokesman
> confirmed late Tuesday afternoon that a small amount of contaminated
> premium and mid-grade fuel was trucked to the Milwaukee area and sold
> between Monday evening and Tuesday morning before the company halted sales.
>
> Previously, BP said the contaminated fuel was contained to Northwest
> Indiana and just across the borders into Illinois and Michigan.
> BP issued a statement Tuesday, saying the regular grade gasoline was
> blended at its Whiting storage terminal between Aug. 13 and 17, and
> contained a "higher than normal level of polymeric residue." The fuel was
> distributed at BP stations and other retailers in the last week.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181248 is a reply to message #181044] |
Wed, 22 August 2012 07:48 |
GeorgeRud
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Maybe they forgot to shuck the corn before they made the Crapanol! They did say that they would have a reimbursement program in place, but you need to have your receipt. This may be a good time to start saving those gas receipts until the next fill-up.
It seems that BP can't buy a break. I'm sure they'd love to have some good news about now.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181305 is a reply to message #181240] |
Wed, 22 August 2012 15:38 |
Ken Burton
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The problem here is the story changes daily. The headlines of today's paper say people are waiting for 2+ hours on the phone to get information to file a claim. The news say they have identified at least 5000 cars affected.
They also keep using the term "blended" in Whiting, Indiana. Also today they are saying that Southwest Michigan is NOT affected as they do not use reformulated gas (craponol).
Every affected area listed (NW Indiana, Chicago, and Milwaukee) uses 10% craponol. So back to what I originally said. This starting to appears again that craponol "blending" of the fuel was involved with the problem.
There was even something printed about the hydrocarbon molecule being too big to go through fuel injectors. ??????????????
The biggest problem is the newspapers and news media in general seldom gets the story straight so at this point I'm not sure what is going on.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181343 is a reply to message #181330] |
Wed, 22 August 2012 19:12 |
Ken Burton
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| ahamilto wrote on Wed, 22 August 2012 17:43 |
| Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 22 August 2012 15:38 |
...There was even something printed about the hydrocarbon molecule being too big to go through fuel injectors. ??????????????...
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Polymeric residue = polymers = longer hydrocarbon chains, like asphalt. Can you imagine trying to burn asphalt in a fuel-injected engine? Look up asphalt in the wikipedia.
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Well from the local description I was thinking tar so I wasn't far off.
What I do not understand why this stuff was only delivered (by truck) to areas where they sell craponol diluted fuel. None of it appears to have been sent in the pipelines and delivered in areas where no ethanol is used (central Indiana and Michigan).
Could it be that the polymeric stuff is normally allowed in fuel that they later intend to dilute (blend) with ethanol to thin it out?
Also if that stuff is that thick why doesn't a fuel filter grab it before in makes it to the injector(s)?
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Do NOT buy gasoline in NW Indiana [message #181538 is a reply to message #181044] |
Fri, 24 August 2012 00:08 |
Ken Burton
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Thursday update. The newspaper today (if you can believe they got the story straight) says that 200 stations in NW Indiana and Chicago plus 20 in the Milwaukee area received the bad gasoline. They also stated that BP has received 7000 claims against them so far.
I was out and about today and I filled up in SW Michigan with 100% real gasoline at $3.749 per gallon. Most of he Craponol "blended" gasoline stations in Indiana were $3.999 today.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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