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[GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181005] Mon, 20 August 2012 21:21 Go to next message
Dolph Santorine is currently offline  Dolph Santorine   United States
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Hi:

I've seen a number of macerator installs, and they all seem to preserve the standard plumbing for the 3" hose.

Any reason for this? I see a lot of posts indicating that they never have to use the hose and don't worry about it.

Plus, the clean out valve is way under the coach.

How does it work for you?

Dolph

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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181008 is a reply to message #181005] Mon, 20 August 2012 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Dolph,

I've never, in 10+ years, had to use the 3" hose. But the thought of
having to remove the mascerator for repair (it IS electrical and
mechanical, you know) with a full load of stuff behind it ensures that I
wouldn't for a moment consider NOT having a 3" alternative and a valve
close ahead of the mascerator inlet.

Ken H.


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Dolph Santorine
<dolph@dolphsantorine.com>wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I've seen a number of macerator installs, and they all seem to preserve
> the standard plumbing for the 3" hose.
>
> Any reason for this? I see a lot of posts indicating that they never have
> to use the hose and don't worry about it.
>
> Plus, the clean out valve is way under the coach.
>
> How does it work for you?
>
> Dolph
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181011 is a reply to message #181008] Mon, 20 August 2012 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dolph Santorine is currently offline  Dolph Santorine   United States
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Ken:

So leaving that valve under the coach and not extending the 3" back to the bumper might be an acceptable alternative?

I don't think I would eliminate that valve, but if it's just in case (having to deal with the poo), then under the coach would be just fine?

Dolph




On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:

> Dolph,
>
> I've never, in 10+ years, had to use the 3" hose. But the thought of
> having to remove the mascerator for repair (it IS electrical and
> mechanical, you know) with a full load of stuff behind it ensures that I
> wouldn't for a moment consider NOT having a 3" alternative and a valve
> close ahead of the mascerator inlet.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Dolph Santorine
> <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I've seen a number of macerator installs, and they all seem to preserve
>> the standard plumbing for the 3" hose.
>>
>> Any reason for this? I see a lot of posts indicating that they never have
>> to use the hose and don't worry about it.
>>
>> Plus, the clean out valve is way under the coach.
>>
>> How does it work for you?
>>
>> Dolph
>>
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181012 is a reply to message #181008] Mon, 20 August 2012 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken is right, as usual. You need an alternate method when the macerator fails. Bad enough to need to repair one, without having it rain on you.
Tom, MS II


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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181018 is a reply to message #181012] Mon, 20 August 2012 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mike Teets is currently offline  Mike Teets   United States
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I had the macerator seize up while on a trip several years ago. Turns out
the impeller disintegrated and the pieces wedged into the housing. If I
would not have had the 3 inch plumbed to the rear, that would have been a
very long week with 5 people. I had left the OEM valve between the tank
and macerator then added a second after the macerator T fitting. I was
able to climb under one time to open that second valve and continue the
vacation without having to do the repair on the road.

Mike
Dublin, OH
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>
> Ken is right, as usual. You need an alternate method when the macerator
> fails. Bad enough to need to repair one, without having it rain on you.
> Tom, MS II
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181045 is a reply to message #181005] Tue, 21 August 2012 06:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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it is possible to "back flush" the macerator by connecting a water hose to
the output, and running water back through the impeller .

if you do, it is nice to have the 3" connection to eject the item blocking
the macerator.

gene

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Dolph Santorine
<dolph@dolphsantorine.com>wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I've seen a number of macerator installs, and they all seem to preserve
> the standard plumbing for the 3" hose.
>
> Any reason for this? I see a lot of posts indicating that they never have
> to use the hose and don't worry about it.
>
> Plus, the clean out valve is way under the coach.
>
> How does it work for you?
>
> Dolph
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181046 is a reply to message #181045] Tue, 21 August 2012 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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And if you're trying to dump a full tank, just where is that back flush,
etc, going -- out the roof vent??? (Without the 3" outlet, of course.)

Ken H.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:22 AM, gene Fisher wrote:

> it is possible to "back flush" the macerator by connecting a water hose to
> the output, and running water back through the impeller .
>
> if you do, it is nice to have the 3" connection to eject the item blocking
> the macerator.
>
> gene
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181053 is a reply to message #181005] Tue, 21 August 2012 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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Dolph,

I talked with Dwain Simmons and ended up doing this WITHOUT a 3"....Macerator only. Been using it this way for 7 yrs now. Had to take it apart once. I just closed the gate valve between the tank and the macerator and fixed it.

Here's it is. Look at the rest of the pics in the album.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/macerator-install/p6697.html

Hope this helps.


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181060 is a reply to message #181053] Tue, 21 August 2012 08:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am the guy that has had to use the short 3 in hole a few times. Seems I have maserator problems like no one else on the net. I carry a spare in the coach with quick disconnects too. Got 2 for parts at home. Also, when I reall want the tank cleaned out I open the 3 inch and shove a hose in there.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181064 is a reply to message #181060] Tue, 21 August 2012 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dolph Santorine is currently offline  Dolph Santorine   United States
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It was never my intent to remove the 3" cleanout, only reach a decision on if I extend it back to where it is now.

Of course, I never thought I would not only have, but enjoy a discussion of "black water" at this level.

I'll spare the crude attempt at humor.

Furnco's and worm gear clamps to the rescue.

Thanks for the input.

Dolph

On Aug 21, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Dan Gregg wrote:

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> I am the guy that has had to use the short 3 in hole a few times. Seems I have maserator problems like no one else on the net. I carry a spare in the coach with quick disconnects too. Got 2 for parts at home. Also, when I reall want the tank cleaned out I open the 3 inch and shove a hose in there.
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181070 is a reply to message #181064] Tue, 21 August 2012 09:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My coach came to me with a macerator installed already. There is a valve at the rear of the tank, then the tee for the macerator, then another valve, and then the 3" pipe that originally went to the rear. I had to cut the 3" shorter in order to accommodate the through-the-bumper hitch, but it is still there. Although a little inconvenient, I could still crawl under the rear of the coach, drop that pipe down a little, and use it to dump in an emergency. Thankfully, in four years, I have had zero problems with the macerator, and have never needed to do that.

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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181071 is a reply to message #181053] Tue, 21 August 2012 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry wrote on Tue, 21 August 2012 07:12

Dolph,

I talked with Dwain Simmons and ended up doing this WITHOUT a 3"....Macerator only. Been using it this way for 7 yrs now. Had to take it apart once. I just closed the gate valve between the tank and the macerator and fixed it.

Here's it is. Look at the rest of the pics in the album.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/macerator-install/p6697.html

Hope this helps.



Here is a photo of all the pieces used in my macerator install.
The cap over the 3 inch discharge is fitted with a garden hose connection -- I thought this type might be more useful in an emergency -- at least a small hose or even buckets could be used to drain down the tank. The complete install sits well under our 23 ft coach,

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/macerator-for-73-23-ft-coach/p38782-286.html

Dennis


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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181081 is a reply to message #181005] Tue, 21 August 2012 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our macerator was blowing the in-line fuse and even hardwiring it wasn't
working. There was probably too much pressure in the holding tank. The
macerator does have some sensors going into the pipe. Having the 3" tube
saved the day.

Dan in NC

On 8/20/2012 10:21 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I've seen a number of macerator installs, and they all seem to preserve the standard plumbing for the 3" hose.
>
> Any reason for this? I see a lot of posts indicating that they never have to use the hose and don't worry about it.
>
> Plus, the clean out valve is way under the coach.
>
> How does it work for you?
>
> Dolph
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181096 is a reply to message #181081] Tue, 21 August 2012 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our oldest boy asked to use the 77 Palm Beach to take a bunch of
friends to Tahoe for a weekend (he was early 20's at the time). We
said sure, and away he went. We told him to tell everyone not to put
anything in the toilet that would block the macerator. On the way back
they got stuck in traffic. A fellow came up to him and asked if his
teenage daughter could use the toilet while they were stopped in
traffic. He said sure. When he got home and tried to dump the tank,
the macerator got stuck. He told me it needed to be fixed. I said
"Son, it's time for you to feel the pain of RV ownership". I made him
pull the macerator and fix it. Seems a feminine pad had wrapped itself
around the impeller. He did a good job and understood the sometimes
consequences of helping folks.
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181102 is a reply to message #181096] Tue, 21 August 2012 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> Our oldest boy asked to use the 77 Palm Beach to take a bunch of
> friends to Tahoe for a weekend (he was early 20's at the time). We
> said sure, and away he went. We told him to tell everyone not to put
> anything in the toilet that would block the macerator. On the way back
> they got stuck in traffic. A fellow came up to him and asked if his
> teenage daughter could use the toilet while they were stopped in
> traffic. He said sure. When he got home and tried to dump the tank,
> the macerator got stuck. He told me it needed to be fixed. I said
> "Son, it's time for you to feel the pain of RV ownership". I made him
> pull the macerator and fix it. Seems a feminine pad had wrapped itself
> around the impeller. He did a good job and understood the sometimes
> consequences of helping folks.
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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Re: [GMCnet] Macerator use / full size cleanout [message #181232 is a reply to message #181102] Wed, 22 August 2012 06:44 Go to previous message
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We kept a houseboat when I was a kid, the head was a 'Third Mate' model.  My Dad had a sign made which we posted over it "Do not put ANYTING into the Third Mate which you have not already eaten".  I think I'm gonna make one up for the Thetford, even though I don't have a macerator/pump.
 
--johnny
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> Our oldest boy asked to use the 77 Palm Beach to take a bunch of
> friends to Tahoe for a weekend (he was early 20's at the time). We
> said sure, and away he went. We told him to tell everyone not to put
> anything in the toilet that would block the macerator. On the way back
> they got stuck in traffic. A fellow came up to him and asked if his
> teenage daughter could use the toilet while they were stopped in
> traffic. He said sure. When he got home and tried to dump the tank,
> the macerator got stuck. He told me it needed to be fixed. I said
> "Son, it's time for you to feel  the pain of RV ownership". I made him
> pull the macerator and fix it. Seems a feminine pad had wrapped itself
> around the impeller. He did a good job and understood the sometimes
> consequences of helping folks.
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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