| Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180061] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 10:19  |
kerry pinkerton
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Several people have asked what I'm doing with my coach. In the late 30's the White Truck Company, the folks that made art deco specialty trucks for LeBlatt Beer and others, made this art deco tank truck for the Gilmore Oil Company.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6130/GILMOREOILTRUCK.jpg
Here is a side view:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/art-deco-roadster/p45164-gilmoreoil-truck2.html
The plan is to build an all aluminum body similar to this but the back will be flatter and will open up (or fold down) to allow me to drive my roadster inside. The roadster is wider than the current space between the bogies so they will be moved outboard a bit. Probably to the legal limit of 102".
I'm still working on my roadster and some other projects so it will be a while before I get started with this.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180068 is a reply to message #180061] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 10:33  |
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ljdavick
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Kerry,
It’s likely you’ll have plenty of vertical clearance, so why not raise the floor over the bogies? It would save you a ton of work moving them and provide for lots of “basement” storage.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, CA
On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> Several people have asked what I'm doing with my coach. In the late 30's the White Truck Company, the folks that made art deco specialty trucks for LeBlatt Beer and others, made this art deco tank truck for the Gilmore Oil Company.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6130/GILMOREOILTRUCK.jpg
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> Here is a side view:
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/art-deco-roadster/p45164-gilmoreoil-truck2.html
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> The plan is to build an all aluminum body similar to this but the back will be flatter and will open up (or fold down) to allow me to drive my roadster inside. The roadster is wider than the current space between the bogies so they will be moved outboard a bit. Probably to the legal limit of 102".
>
> I'm still working on my roadster and some other projects so it will be a while before I get started with this.
> --
> Kerry
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| Re: Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180080 is a reply to message #180061] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 11:36 |
kerry pinkerton
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Things probably have changed since the early 70's. According to the Federal Highway Department of USDOT it is 102.36".
http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/publications/size_regs_final_rpt/index.htm#width
As far as structure goes, I'm probably going to use the aluminum cage that is part of the coach. It has the basic shape of the tank and is already plenty rigid. I'll bond and rivet my new skin directly to the vertical and horizontal rails. However, I'll need to lower the whole structure a bit to capture the 'look'.
As far as raising the floor over the bogies the problem is that it would make it difficult to get my already low car into the body....although that is an option. My roadster is a lot larger than it looks. It has 116" wheelbase and 5" of ground clearance and it bottoms out unless the ramps are really long. With the air suspension on the rear, I can drop the back end and have a nearly flat (straight) approach to the bed. However if I can't get the width I need by moving the bogies, I have a couple options such as making internal ramps the car drives up on and leaving it at the upward angle. We'll see. I need to do some detailed measurements of various widths. The car is narrower at the tires but the bogies are 5-6" above the floor. I really need to measure the width there. Plus I don't want it to be so tight I can't drive it in.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180088 is a reply to message #180077] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 11:52 |
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| ahamilto wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 12:22 |
| Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 10:19 |
...The roadster is wider than the current space between the bogies so they will be moved outboard a bit. Probably to the legal limit of 102". ...
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I was under the impression that the GMC was built to the legal limit - 96". I learned something new today.
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What Kerry posted says it went to 102.36 in 1976 however it also says "Recreational vehicles are not CMVs subject to Federal size regulations (Figure 16)." Does that mean each State determines motorhome size or is there another Federal law that covers them?
Mike K.
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| Re: Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180102 is a reply to message #180088] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 13:02 |
kerry pinkerton
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[quote title=GMC Cruse wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 11:52]| ahamilto wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 12:22 |
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What Kerry posted says it went to 102.36 in 1976 however it also says "Recreational vehicles are not CMVs subject to Federal size regulations (Figure 16)." Does that mean each State determines motorhome size or is there another Federal law that covers them?
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That may well be true. Alabama also has the 102" max width and I expect but don't know that most states would follow the federal guidelines since it would be havoc if many things were legal on US highways and interstates but not on state roads. Wiggle wagons excepted. Personally, I'll take my chances with the federal laws. I've never seen a trooper with a tape measure anyway.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180114 is a reply to message #180102] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 15:34 |
Mike Teets
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I have been around and around on width laws for trailers towing larger
monohulls and racing catamarans. I currently have a trailer that is about
9'2" wide that carries two stacked catamarans. Another fellow has an
enclosed 30 foot trailer that is 9'6" wide. Neither of us have ever been
questioned about the width on the road. You will not find a trailer
manufacturer that will build you one wider than 8'6"/102" however. I
have several relatives in state law enforcement and they say they only pay
attention to large commercial vehicles or something that looks crazy
dangerous.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
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> [quote title=GMC Cruse wrote on Mon, 13 August 2012 11:52]ahamilto wrote
> on Mon, 13 August 2012 12:22
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> > What Kerry posted says it went to 102.36 in 1976 however it also says
> "Recreational vehicles are not CMVs subject to Federal size regulations
> (Figure 16)." Does that mean each State determines motorhome size or is
> there another Federal law that covers them?
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> That may well be true. Alabama also has the 102" max width and I expect
> but don't know that most states would follow the federal guidelines since
> it would be havoc if many things were legal on US highways and interstates
> but not on state roads. Wiggle wagons excepted. Personally, I'll take my
> chances with the federal laws. I've never seen a trooper with a tape
> measure anyway.
> --
> Kerry
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville
> 76 Eleganza being rebodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180141 is a reply to message #180117] |
Mon, 13 August 2012 18:59 |
Arthur Mansfield
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YOU OUGHT TO SEE THE CAR KERRY IS FABRICATING. The body is all aluminum and has almost no straight or flat surfaces. His all aluminum passenger is also amazing. The man can really work metal to just about any shape.
Art & Doris
76 EL
DECATUR AL
On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Matt Colie wrote:
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> I used to tow keelboats lots of places.
> While ICC says 102.36" (2.7m), many states restrict non-placarded vehicles and/or non-class licensed drivers to 96" maximum width. Those are fortunately getting fewer as most are opting to go to the single standard.
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> And yes, I was stopped and measured several times, always by officers that did not know how to measure the true beam of a vessel, so, they measured the width at the trailer fenders.
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> Many of the monster SOBs are 102", that and air brakes is why many states require the driver to have class B license.
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> No Detroit built dually is more than 96... (95.5~.75 maybe)
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180184 is a reply to message #180173] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 08:16 |
Dolph Santorine
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Kerry:
I would love to see those photos.
Thanks.
Dolph
On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Burt and Faye curtis wrote:
> Kerry,
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> We are turning a burnt GMC into a car hauler (to be towed by a White 3000
> truck cab on a Chevy Duramax chassis). Because our race cars would not fit
> between the boogies either, we had wider frame rails bent up and moved the
> main frame rails out about 5 inches on each side. We then eliminated the
> boogies and used Torx Flex axles with custom aluminum wheelwells inside to
> cover the tires. This gave us plenty of flat floor space for the cars that
> are to be stacked. Can.send you some photos if you want.
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> Bert and Fay Curtis
> '76 Glenbrook and '78 ex Royale in process of becoming a fifth wheel toy
> trailer.
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> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Kerry Pinkerton <Pinkertonk@mchsi.com>wrote:
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>> Several people have asked what I'm doing with my coach. In the late 30's
>> the White Truck Company, the folks that made art deco specialty trucks for
>> LeBlatt Beer and others, made this art deco tank truck for the Gilmore Oil
>> Company.
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6130/GILMOREOILTRUCK.jpg
>>
>> Here is a side view:
>>
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/art-deco-roadster/p45164-gilmoreoil-truck2.html
>>
>> The plan is to build an all aluminum body similar to this but the back
>> will be flatter and will open up (or fold down) to allow me to drive my
>> roadster inside. The roadster is wider than the current space between the
>> bogies so they will be moved outboard a bit. Probably to the legal limit
>> of 102".
>>
>> I'm still working on my roadster and some other projects so it will be a
>> while before I get started with this.
>> --
>> Kerry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rebodied coach - Art Deco Fuel Tanker [message #180187 is a reply to message #180173] |
Tue, 14 August 2012 08:30 |
kerry pinkerton
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| Burt and Faye curtis wrote on Tue, 14 August 2012 06:06 |
Kerry,
We are turning a burnt GMC into a car hauler (to be towed by a White 3000
truck cab on a Chevy Duramax chassis). Because our race cars would not fit
between the boogies either, we had wider frame rails bent up and moved the
main frame rails out about 5 inches on each side. We then eliminated the
boogies and used Torx Flex axles with custom aluminum wheelwells inside to
cover the tires. This gave us plenty of flat floor space for the cars that
are to be stacked. Can.send you some photos if you want.
Bert and Fay Curtis
'76 Glenbrook and '78 ex Royale in process of becoming a fifth wheel toy
trailer.
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I'd love to see the photos Bert. Perhaps you can post them in the gallery. I have a White 3000 cab also but I've decided to just build something from scratch to get the correct look. My White cab has some rust and it will literally be faster to build a whole new structure and skin from aluminum than repair the rust and adapt to the chassis. I really want to save the bogie approach if I can because that allows me to drop the back for easier loading. If that becomes an issue, the Torx Flex axles are the fall back position.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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