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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol Waiver? [message #179724 is a reply to message #179663] |
Thu, 09 August 2012 21:43   |
Ken Burton
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| ahamilto wrote on Thu, 09 August 2012 10:55 |
I have observed that the price of a gallon of ethanol free gas is about 10% more than a gallon of 10% ethanol gas mix.
Since all it takes to remove the ethanol from gas is to mix in some water then "skim" off the gas (or drain off the water-ethanol mix), I wonder why someone doesn't make a "separator" for specialty applications. If a shop specializes in classic cars, they could have a 100 gallon tank for gas. When they need to fill a classic car, run 10, 15 or 20 gallons through the "separator" and tank up the classic. Run the leftover water-ethanol mix through a still and sell the ethanol back to the oil companies (running the burner on the still with ethanol, of course).
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It is already being done but not officially. People are stripping off the alcohol in 91 octane car gas and using it for 87 octane av gas.
Two problems are:
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Ethanol increases the octane rating so when it is stripped off, the octane of the remaining fuel is a couple of points lower than what you had when you started. That forces you to buy premium fuel to start with. I wish I had an easy way to measure octane.
Second,
What to do with the crap you stripped off. I suggest bottling it and selling it for windshield solvent. I wonder what the freezing point is of 50% water and 50% craponol. Years ago we use to sell it as radiator antifreeze for use with a 160 degree thermostat.
What I have never figured out is just how much water it takes to strip off a gallon of ethanol. That would tell me what the water / alcohol mix is of the stuff you stripped off could be and allow the use of the minimum amount of water.
I assume you could distill the remaining alcohol crap with a little heat. The ethanol boils at somewhere around 175 and with water boiling at 212, I assume heating would separate it. I failed high school chemistry over 50 years ago so feel free to tell me if I'm wrong.
Maybe I need to learn how to spell KABOOM.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol Waiver? [message #179725 is a reply to message #179724] |
Thu, 09 August 2012 21:50 |
Ken Burton
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I just had another thought for the stripped off craponol. If we could figure out how to make corn out of it maybe, cows or people could eat it.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol Waiver? [message #179730 is a reply to message #179725] |
Fri, 10 August 2012 07:28 |
C Boyd
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| Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 09 August 2012 22:50 |
I just had another thought for the stripped off craponol. If we could figure out how to make corn out of it maybe, cows or people could eat it.
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Ken: maybe distill it one more time and drink it??
PS: The kids got here safe last evening. Where`s my radiator??
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol Waiver? [message #179741 is a reply to message #179740] |
Fri, 10 August 2012 10:17 |
C Boyd
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I had also forgotten about it till the engine arrived. No problem, the one I have should be ok. I really do appreciate the help you gave me. I do have a old Onan fuel pump I`ll send back.. Is there anything on your wish list that I might have or could get??
| Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 10 August 2012 11:02 |
I forgot all about it. It is in my hangar.
Ken
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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol Waiver? [message #179745 is a reply to message #179725] |
Fri, 10 August 2012 11:21 |
Keith V
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| Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 09 August 2012 21:50 |
I just had another thought for the stripped off craponol. If we could figure out how to make corn out of it maybe, cows or people could eat it.
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Just drink it!
tho I think it's really hard to get all the gasoline out of the alcohol sine gas is such a mix of stuff
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ethanol Waiver? [message #179750 is a reply to message #179741] |
Fri, 10 August 2012 11:51 |
Ken Burton
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| C Boyd wrote on Fri, 10 August 2012 10:17 |
I had also forgotten about it till the engine arrived. No problem, the one I have should be ok. I really do appreciate the help you gave me. I do have a old Onan fuel pump I`ll send back.. Is there anything on your wish list that I might have or could get??
| Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 10 August 2012 11:02 |
I forgot all about it. It is in my hangar.
Ken
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If you have any excess cash laying around, I could use some of that.
I'll get that radiator down to you as soon as I find someone going south.
I sent a copy of Dick recommendations for engine start up / break in. Please ask them for a copy and read it. You might go find some EOS and 6 quarts OF 15W40 Rotella today so you have it ready for engine start up. Wally World World has the oil. EOS (ZDDP additive) probably has to come from a GM dealer.
Also on that pre-oiling you can simply use a 5/16" socket on a long 1/4" drive extension and a drill to run that oil pump prior to installing the distributor. Run the drill counterclockwise for at least 5 minutes.
Flushing the radiator oil cooler is also very important. So you might want to line up some place for them to do this.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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