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Propotioning valve [message #179438] Tue, 07 August 2012 17:14 Go to next message
ricogomez is currently offline  ricogomez   United States
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Hello, I read somewhere on the net that somebody
suggested to bypass the proportional valve, when
insstalling rear disk brakes on all 4, need input Please........ Shocked


Rico Gomez
Re: [GMCnet] Propotioning valve [message #179445 is a reply to message #179438] Tue, 07 August 2012 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I left mine in and it works just fine. It really isn't a proportioning valve. GM called it a Combination Valve. It does not proportion the pressure to the front and read. See 2 below.

1. It has a sliding piston that moves to shut off the fluid to either the front or rear if there is a pressure loss (leak).

2. It allows flow to the front fo start the front calipers but when the pressure reaches about 200 or 300 psi (I have forgotten the pressure) it then allows full pressure to both the front and rear. So there is no proportioning.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Rico Gomez <ricogomez@hazmatpacking.com> wrote:

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> suggested to bypass the proportional valve, when
> insstalling rear disk brakes on all 4, need input Please........ 8o
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Re: [GMCnet] Propotioning valve [message #179448 is a reply to message #179438] Tue, 07 August 2012 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Rico,

You don't need the metering valve function of the combination valve, but
you should retain the differential pressure switch. Here's how I did it:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3510-deciphering-the-combination-valve.html

or
http://goo.gl/GmwiQ

Ken H.


On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Rico Gomez wrote:

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>
> Hello, I read somewhere on the net that somebody
> suggested to bypass the proportional valve, when
> insstalling rear disk brakes on all 4, need input Please........ 8o
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Propotioning valve [message #179451 is a reply to message #179445] Tue, 07 August 2012 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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emerystora wrote on Tue, 07 August 2012 18:24

I left mine in and it works just fine. It really isn't a proportioning valve. GM called it a Combination Valve. It does not proportion the pressure to the front and read. See 2 below.

1. It has a sliding piston that moves to shut off the fluid to either the front or rear if there is a pressure loss (leak).

2. It allows flow to the front fo start the front calipers but when the pressure reaches about 200 or 300 psi (I have forgotten the pressure) it then allows full pressure to both the front and rear. So there is no proportioning.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
You scared me for a second with 2 above. But I felt better when I read Ken H's explanation: "To delay operation of the disc brakes, the metering valve does not open until line pressure has risen enough to take up the clearances in the drum brakes."
If the front brakes engage before, or instead of, the rears, you have a greatly increased chance of the the vehicle spinning end for end in slick road conditions. Bad enough in a passenger car, even more terrifying in a 12,000 pound hotrod with plumbing.
Re: [GMCnet] Propotioning valve [message #179452 is a reply to message #179451] Tue, 07 August 2012 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I misspoke. I should have said that it allows flow to the rear first.

"If you post enough replies you are bound to be wrong once in a while" :)



Emery Stora

On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:18 PM, "A." <markbb1@netzero.com> wrote:

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> emerystora wrote on Tue, 07 August 2012 18:24
>> I left mine in and it works just fine. It really isn't a proportioning valve. GM called it a Combination Valve. It does not proportion the pressure to the front and read. See 2 below.
>>
>> 1. It has a sliding piston that moves to shut off the fluid to either the front or rear if there is a pressure loss (leak).
>>
>> 2. It allows flow to the front fo start the front calipers but when the pressure reaches about 200 or 300 psi (I have forgotten the pressure) it then allows full pressure to both the front and rear. So there is no proportioning.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
> You scared me for a second with 2 above. But I felt better when I read Ken H's explanation: "To delay operation of the disc brakes, the metering valve does not open until line pressure has risen enough to take up the clearances in the drum brakes."
> If the front brakes engage before, or instead of, the rears, you have a greatly increased chance of the the vehicle spinning end for end in slick road conditions. Bad enough in a passenger car, even more terrifying in a 12,000 pound hotrod with plumbing.
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Re: [GMCnet] Propotioning valve [message #179616 is a reply to message #179448] Wed, 08 August 2012 22:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

Here's a link to a photo of a brass combo valve with the write up out of the GMC Maintenance Manual which explains the functions
pretty clearly.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p37696-combination-valve-cros.html

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: Ken Henderson

Rico,

You don't need the metering valve function of the combination valve, but
you should retain the differential pressure switch. Here's how I did it:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3510-deciphering-the-combination-valve.html

or
http://goo.gl/GmwiQ

Ken H.


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Re: [GMCnet] Propotioning valve [message #179620 is a reply to message #179616] Wed, 08 August 2012 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Someone's been busy with magic markers! :-)

If I'd had that, I probably wouldn't have had to "decipher" mine.

Ken H.


On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Here's a link to a photo of a brass combo valve with the write up out of
> the GMC Maintenance Manual which explains the functions
> pretty clearly.
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p37696-combination-valve-cros.html
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Propotioning valve [message #179622 is a reply to message #179620] Thu, 09 August 2012 00:06 Go to previous message
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I found that picture somewhere and figger'd it would save us a lot of time explaining how the damn thing worked every time somebody
new had a problem by copying it and the info out of the MM.

Regards,
Rob "Master of Plagarism" M.

PS - learned how it worked from YOUR photos BEFORE I found this one!

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Someone's been busy with magic markers! :-)

If I'd had that, I probably wouldn't have had to "decipher" mine.

Ken H.



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