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| Trying to figure out things! [message #168668] |
Sun, 06 May 2012 20:00  |
Bruce Hart
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Still trying to find out how everything works in my coach.
My house battery was dead so I removed it. I plugged my electrical cord to an outlet in my garage. Nothing works, no interior lights no heater, ect. The buzz box is getting hot (measured 145 degrees).
I take it that there has to be a battery in place for the 110v source to work?
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
1977 28' Kingsley
La Grange, Wyoming
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| Re: Trying to figure out things! [message #168673 is a reply to message #168668] |
Sun, 06 May 2012 20:10  |
GeorgeRud
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You should be able to get 12 volts from the buzz box is it's plugged into a 120v extension cord from the garage. You can check at the house fuse box if you have 12 volts there, then the circuits should work if the fuses are good. Indon't think you need the house battery for them to work.
If the buzz box is bad (not putting out 12 volts), then I would recommend changing it out for a more modern converter/charger.
Do you have the owner's manual for your coach? It should show the location of the fuse box is you're not sure of it's location.
George Rudawsky
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75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168717 is a reply to message #168671] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 07:50 |
Bruce Hart
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Ok, I unplug the converter trip all the breakers. I have 120 at the
outlets, plug converter back in and checked the 7 fuses for house lights,
water pump, furnaces etc. No power across any fuse! Now I justification
(if I really needed any) to get a new converter.
Any suggestions on what brand or power rating?
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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> On May 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Hart wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Still trying to find out how everything works in my coach.
> > My house battery was dead so I removed it. I plugged my electrical cord
> to an outlet in my garage. Nothing works, no interior lights no heater,
> ect. The buzz box is getting hot (measured 145 degrees).
> > I take it that there has to be a battery in place for the 110v source to
> work?
>
> No. The 12 volt is only connected through your buzz box (charger or
> converter). Your 120 volt circuits should still work. If you converter is
> getting hot then you are probably getting power to it. (unless it is
> getting back feed from the 12 volt side). Unplug the converter. Check the
> circuit breakers in you breaker box. Trip all of them, the mains and the
> individual circuits. Make sure they are on. Use a test light (even a
> small lamp will work) and go around and plug it in to all of your
> receptacles to see if you are getting power at the outlets.
>
> Make sure that your electric water heater is turned off before doing this
> or you might burn out the heating element.
>
> Let us know your results.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168726 is a reply to message #168717] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 09:15 |
Bruce Hart
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Would this converter be over kill?
http://www.bestconverter.com/PD4590-50-Amp-Power-Center-with-90-Amp-ConverterCharger_p_359.html
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, I unplug the converter trip all the breakers. I have 120 at the
> outlets, plug converter back in and checked the 7 fuses for house lights,
> water pump, furnaces etc. No power across any fuse! Now I justification
> (if I really needed any) to get a new converter.
> Any suggestions on what brand or power rating?
>
> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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>>
>> On May 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Hart wrote:
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>> >
>> >
>> > Still trying to find out how everything works in my coach.
>> > My house battery was dead so I removed it. I plugged my electrical
>> cord to an outlet in my garage. Nothing works, no interior lights no
>> heater, ect. The buzz box is getting hot (measured 145 degrees).
>> > I take it that there has to be a battery in place for the 110v source
>> to work?
>>
>> No. The 12 volt is only connected through your buzz box (charger or
>> converter). Your 120 volt circuits should still work. If you converter is
>> getting hot then you are probably getting power to it. (unless it is
>> getting back feed from the 12 volt side). Unplug the converter. Check the
>> circuit breakers in you breaker box. Trip all of them, the mains and the
>> individual circuits. Make sure they are on. Use a test light (even a
>> small lamp will work) and go around and plug it in to all of your
>> receptacles to see if you are getting power at the outlets.
>>
>> Make sure that your electric water heater is turned off before doing this
>> or you might burn out the heating element.
>>
>> Let us know your results.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>>
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> 1976 Palm Beach
> Milliken, Co
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168728 is a reply to message #168726] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 09:23 |
Mr ERFisher
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Yes need to re-wire your coach
Get the 40 amp PD and a combiner
Cheap, easy, and perfect
Gene
FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
On May 7, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would this converter be over kill?
> http://www.bestconverter.com/PD4590-50-Amp-Power-Center-with-90-Amp-ConverterCharger_p_359.html
>
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> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I unplug the converter trip all the breakers. I have 120 at the
>> outlets, plug converter back in and checked the 7 fuses for house lights,
>> water pump, furnaces etc. No power across any fuse! Now I justification
>> (if I really needed any) to get a new converter.
>> Any suggestions on what brand or power rating?
>>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> On May 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Hart wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still trying to find out how everything works in my coach.
>>>> My house battery was dead so I removed it. I plugged my electrical
>>> cord to an outlet in my garage. Nothing works, no interior lights no
>>> heater, ect. The buzz box is getting hot (measured 145 degrees).
>>>> I take it that there has to be a battery in place for the 110v source
>>> to work?
>>>
>>> No. The 12 volt is only connected through your buzz box (charger or
>>> converter). Your 120 volt circuits should still work. If you converter is
>>> getting hot then you are probably getting power to it. (unless it is
>>> getting back feed from the 12 volt side). Unplug the converter. Check the
>>> circuit breakers in you breaker box. Trip all of them, the mains and the
>>> individual circuits. Make sure they are on. Use a test light (even a
>>> small lamp will work) and go around and plug it in to all of your
>>> receptacles to see if you are getting power at the outlets.
>>>
>>> Make sure that your electric water heater is turned off before doing this
>>> or you might burn out the heating element.
>>>
>>> Let us know your results.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>>
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>> 1976 Palm Beach
>> Milliken, Co
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168729 is a reply to message #168726] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 09:24 |
Bruce Hart
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Here is another one.
http://www.progressivedyn.com/prod_details/rv_conv/rv_converter_pd9245c_2.html
This a 45 amp, they also have 60 amp, 70 amp, and 80 amp.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would this converter be over kill?
>
> http://www.bestconverter.com/PD4590-50-Amp-Power-Center-with-90-Amp-ConverterCharger_p_359.html
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I unplug the converter trip all the breakers. I have 120 at the
>> outlets, plug converter back in and checked the 7 fuses for house lights,
>> water pump, furnaces etc. No power across any fuse! Now I justification
>> (if I really needed any) to get a new converter.
>> Any suggestions on what brand or power rating?
>>
>> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On May 6, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Bruce Hart wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Still trying to find out how everything works in my coach.
>>> > My house battery was dead so I removed it. I plugged my electrical
>>> cord to an outlet in my garage. Nothing works, no interior lights no
>>> heater, ect. The buzz box is getting hot (measured 145 degrees).
>>> > I take it that there has to be a battery in place for the 110v source
>>> to work?
>>>
>>> No. The 12 volt is only connected through your buzz box (charger or
>>> converter). Your 120 volt circuits should still work. If you converter is
>>> getting hot then you are probably getting power to it. (unless it is
>>> getting back feed from the 12 volt side). Unplug the converter. Check the
>>> circuit breakers in you breaker box. Trip all of them, the mains and the
>>> individual circuits. Make sure they are on. Use a test light (even a
>>> small lamp will work) and go around and plug it in to all of your
>>> receptacles to see if you are getting power at the outlets.
>>>
>>> Make sure that your electric water heater is turned off before doing
>>> this or you might burn out the heating element.
>>>
>>> Let us know your results.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
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>> Bruce Hart
>> 1976 Palm Beach
>> Milliken, Co
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> 1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: Trying to figure out things! [message #168745 is a reply to message #168668] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 11:37 |
Rick Williams
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Bruce
Most people go with the PD9245. Anything bigger will charge the batteries somewhat faster but is generally not needed. As to the combiner, some people like them and others do not. I have one and it works well. The combiner will keep your engine battery charged when plugged in. I would check your isolator and if it is ok, I would not get the combiner yet. Anytime you change more than one part, it complicates troubleshooting if the system does not work.
Rick
Rick Williams
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168750 is a reply to message #168729] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 12:04 |
Carl S.
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Bruce, I have a PD 9245. It was the one Jim Bounds recommended. I paid a little more for it and bought it from him. It is plug-n-play Automatic three stage charging with a "Charge Wizard". Works great.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168764 is a reply to message #168750] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 14:40 |
Bruce Hart
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Thanks for the info Carl, I went ahead and ordered it.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Bruce, I have a PD 9245. It was the one Jim Bounds recommended. I paid
> a little more for it and bought it from him. It is plug-n-play Automatic
> three stage charging with a "Charge Wizard". Works great.
> --
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168770 is a reply to message #168765] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 16:16 |
Bruce Hart
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Bob, that is the one I ordered. I thought that the first I posted was a
bit over kill, than again I am electrically challenged:-)
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> ""Here is another one.
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> http://www.progressivedyn.com/prod_details/rv_conv/rv_converter_pd9245c_2.html
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> This a 45 amp, they also have 60 amp, 70 amp, and 80 amp.
>
> ""
>
> Bruce, many of us also run Iota chargers made in Tucson, AZ. Personally I
> like it better since it has an infinitely variable fan that is much more
> quiet than the PD
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #168772 is a reply to message #168770] |
Mon, 07 May 2012 16:41 |
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I bought the PD (forget the Amps right now) several
months back. Unfortunately it won't charge my house
battery bank. Ken Burton discovered at Shawnee that
my problem is that the negative is apparently not
connected to the coach chassis common point. I have
not yet had the time to follow up on Ken's good
suggestions to fix this. The PD converter has good
output though.
I added a combiner and am keeping both house and
engine batteries charged by a separate charger that
is hooked to the "house" point on the combiner.
One of these days!
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> Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:16:29 -0600
> From: hartsgmc@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things!
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> Bob, that is the one I ordered. I thought that the first I posted was a
> bit over kill, than again I am electrically challenged:-)
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > ""Here is another one.
> >
> > http://www.progressivedyn.com/prod_details/rv_conv/rv_converter_pd9245c_2.html
> >
> > This a 45 amp, they also have 60 amp, 70 amp, and 80 amp.
> >
> > ""
> >
> > Bruce, many of us also run Iota chargers made in Tucson, AZ. Personally I
> > like it better since it has an infinitely variable fan that is much more
> > quiet than the PD
> > --
> > Bob de Kruyff
> > 78 Eleganza
> > Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #169122 is a reply to message #168764] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 09:00 |
Bruce Hart
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Got the PD9245 this afternoon. Ordered on Monday and received it Wednesday
afternoon. Now that is service.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Bruce Hart <hartsgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the info Carl, I went ahead and ordered it.
>
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> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Bruce, I have a PD 9245. It was the one Jim Bounds recommended. I paid
>> a little more for it and bought it from him. It is plug-n-play Automatic
>> three stage charging with a "Charge Wizard". Works great.
>> --
>> Carl S.
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Trying to figure out things! [message #169127 is a reply to message #169122] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 10:51 |
Carl S.
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Bruce,
You are going to like it. It was one of the first mods I made to my coach after the 'buzz box' cooked all the water out of my house batteries. Contrary to what Bob said, I have never heard any annoying fan noise. I sometimes leave the door to the electrical compartment open to aid in cooling, when I know it will be charging really hard (such as when dry camping and running the Onan for an hour or two in the late afternoon or evening). The fan on my cheap HF 750 watt inverter makes more noise under a high load than the PD9245 does.
I ran a #6 wire directly to the pos cable terminal in the back of the compartment and another #6 to the ground. I then ran another #6 from the pos terminal to the 12-V fuse block. My battery meter (a Trimetric 2025) shows a charge rate of 40+ amps going into the batteries when they are low. The rate drops as they charge up.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: Trying to figure out things! [message #169135 is a reply to message #168668] |
Thu, 10 May 2012 12:38 |
JohnL455
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I have the 30A IOTA. Works for me. Variable speed fan cooling as needed. My buzz box is a boat anchor in the garage. Still good as the dumb tech allows it to be. Remember that when recharging batteries bigger is not better. Slower is better and more gentle. For me 30A is enough.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Trying to figure out things! [message #169291 is a reply to message #168668] |
Fri, 11 May 2012 17:49 |
jodist
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How did your install go. I am thinking this is something I need after reading this thread. I didn't know the buss box should be replaced if still working. Any tips would be appriciated.
JOHN STEHLE
78 ROYALE
John Stehle
78 royal by coachman
Pottstown,Pa
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