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Thu, 03 May 2012 11:00   |
roy1
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Thanks for the fun ride ,your little brother has a good sense of direction or a good GPS.
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job [message #168391 is a reply to message #168388] |
Thu, 03 May 2012 18:52 |
James Hupy
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My oldest Sister's husband was John Akin and a WWII PT Boater in the South
Pacific. A group of WWII PT vets restored a Higgins Boat to wartime
standards, including all the torpedo tubes, radars, radios, depth charges,
guns, paint, including the Packard Marine engines. Their boat is fully
operational and is in the water during the boating season in Portland
Oregon. It is a floating museum and is exercized frequently particularly
during the Rose Festival. John died in 2011 but not before he heard the
roar of those unmuffled Packard engines a few more times. The boat is
housed in Portland at the Swan Island area. Tours available. Really neat
history project. Only operational Higgins boat in the world with Packard
Power. Other examples exist including the PT 109, John F. Kennedy's boat
which is in the Smithsonian I believe. John would tell the same sea stories
repeatedly (with embellishments) which I understand is permissible behavior
from WWII vets. We let him do it and none of us are any the worse for the
experience.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Howard and Sue <hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:
> Major job
> My brother owns a boat yard here in San Diego "Nielsen Beaumont Marine" and
> they rebuilt two "Crash Boats" making them over in to yachts.
> Same as a P T boat only with sick bays and very little in the way of guns.
> The boats where used to pick up downed pilots in WW II in the South
> Pacific.
> I was the go to guy on both the rebuilds.
> The owner wanted to do a third crash boat back to stock.
> Using all the old style US Navy equipment.
> His daughter stepped in and said "No More Dad".
> The third boat is now at the Crash Boat Museum in Pensacola Florida.
> The first two are in New Port Beach Ca.
> The boats where designed my Huggins the same company that designed the WW
> II
> landing crafts and built all over the U S A.
> My wife is from Bay City Mi and some of them where built at (Defoe Ship
> Yard
> sp?) in Bay City
> Sure paid for a lot guys wages over the three we where rebuilding them.
> We re-powered them with Cats running blowers and turbo charged.
> The engine where built by Blackman Diesel out of Orange County Ca.
> Blackman is the hot rod builder of Diesels engines.
> The owner want to get back up to the same speed as when they came off the
> ways in WW II using modern engines and we did it
> San Diego Harbor Police not very happy with us at the time.
> Some how they are not in to speed trials on the bay all afternoon two or
> three day in a row!
> I still have the blue print of the stock boat from WW II
> This was a fun project.
> The owner was quit the guy.
> He is gone now and I miss him.
> Howard
> Alpine Ca
> P S The name of the boats Musicman and Musicman II
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Skinner" <gmcnut@gmail.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 06:52
> Subject: [GMCnet] Not a GMC
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> > I know this is a little off topic but I thought maybe you guys might like
> > to see the video from my little brothers race car. They just got back
> from
> > the Mexico Sand Storm 300. They were second place until the alternator
> > quit............Terry
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTePBDwwYO8&feature=youtu.be
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| Re: Not a GMC [message #168410 is a reply to message #168348] |
Thu, 03 May 2012 21:25 |
Carl S.
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| Terance Skinner wrote on Thu, 03 May 2012 06:52 |
I know this is a little off topic but I thought maybe you guys might like to see the video from my little brothers race car. They just got back from the Mexico Sand Storm 300. They were second place until the alternator quit............Terry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTePBDwwYO8&feature=youtu.be
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Cool! Looks like that car has some serious suspension under it. All those whoop-de-doos, and the hood was pretty steady. If you had tried that in my '53 Willys Jeep (with an 80" wheel base and four leaf springs), you would have seen a LOT more ups and downs!
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168439 is a reply to message #168391] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 07:50 |
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| James Hupy wrote on Thu, 03 May 2012 19:52 |
<big snip>
Only operational Higgins boat in the world with Packard Power. Other examples exist including the PT 109, John F. Kennedy's boat
which is in the Smithsonian I believe. <snip>
Jim Hupy
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Jim,
The Packard engines were the same as those used in a number of WWII aircraft and only have a TBO of about 600 hrs and according to the people I knew they seldom made TBO in marine service. So the fact that there is only one surviving example is not a surprise. 600 hours may sound like a lot to pleasure boat owners, but then think about the fact that if you are patrolling a large area of Pacific, it is about a month of operational time. Many of the rescue service boats had 80HP Chrysler Marine 6s geared to the main shafts for station keeping.
Don't go to the Smithsonian looking for PT-109. It is in 1200ft of water near the Solomon Islands. They were dark and shutdown so they hear something - Anything - and the boat was hit by a Japanese destroyer. The destroyer didn't know what it was or even think it was anything serious according to the watch log.
Short anecdote.
In the harbor that was home most of the year, the was a yacht-refit P boat (ASRs were just designated as Pw/oT). When he fueled it, they would detail a dock hand with a china marker to track when the gas pumps rolled over 99$.
Sorry to continue the mistracked thread.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job [message #168453 is a reply to message #168391] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 08:59 |
Kudzu
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Very cool. I just watched a clip on TV or the ewe-tubes about that
restoration.
Dan in NC
Caregiver to a 1976 Eleganza II
"Tzetze Fly"
On 5/3/2012 7:52 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> My oldest Sister's husband was John Akin and a WWII PT Boater in the South
> Pacific. A group of WWII PT vets restored a Higgins Boat to wartime
> standards, including all the torpedo tubes, radars, radios, depth charges,
> guns, paint, including the Packard Marine engines. Their boat is fully
> operational and is in the water during the boating season in Portland
> Oregon. It is a floating museum and is exercized frequently particularly
> during the Rose Festival. John died in 2011 but not before he heard the
> roar of those unmuffled Packard engines a few more times. The boat is
> housed in Portland at the Swan Island area. Tours available. Really neat
> history project. Only operational Higgins boat in the world with Packard
> Power. Other examples exist including the PT 109, John F. Kennedy's boat
> which is in the Smithsonian I believe. John would tell the same sea stories
> repeatedly (with embellishments) which I understand is permissible behavior
> from WWII vets. We let him do it and none of us are any the worse for the
> experience.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
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> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Howard and Sue<hnielsen2@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Major job
>> My brother owns a boat yard here in San Diego "Nielsen Beaumont Marine" and
>> they rebuilt two "Crash Boats" making them over in to yachts.
>> Same as a P T boat only with sick bays and very little in the way of guns.
>> The boats where used to pick up downed pilots in WW II in the South
>> Pacific.
>> I was the go to guy on both the rebuilds.
>> The owner wanted to do a third crash boat back to stock.
>> Using all the old style US Navy equipment.
>> His daughter stepped in and said "No More Dad".
>> The third boat is now at the Crash Boat Museum in Pensacola Florida.
>> The first two are in New Port Beach Ca.
>> The boats where designed my Huggins the same company that designed the WW
>> II
>> landing crafts and built all over the U S A.
>> My wife is from Bay City Mi and some of them where built at (Defoe Ship
>> Yard
>> sp?) in Bay City
>> Sure paid for a lot guys wages over the three we where rebuilding them.
>> We re-powered them with Cats running blowers and turbo charged.
>> The engine where built by Blackman Diesel out of Orange County Ca.
>> Blackman is the hot rod builder of Diesels engines.
>> The owner want to get back up to the same speed as when they came off the
>> ways in WW II using modern engines and we did it
>> San Diego Harbor Police not very happy with us at the time.
>> Some how they are not in to speed trials on the bay all afternoon two or
>> three day in a row!
>> I still have the blue print of the stock boat from WW II
>> This was a fun project.
>> The owner was quit the guy.
>> He is gone now and I miss him.
>> Howard
>> Alpine Ca
>> P S The name of the boats Musicman and Musicman II
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Terry Skinner"<gmcnut@gmail.com>
>> To:<gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 06:52
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Not a GMC
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I know this is a little off topic but I thought maybe you guys might like
>>> to see the video from my little brothers race car. They just got back
>> from
>>> the Mexico Sand Storm 300. They were second place until the alternator
>>> quit............Terry
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTePBDwwYO8&feature=youtu.be
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168466 is a reply to message #168439] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 10:29 |
k2gkk
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So much for the Packard Motor Company's braggadocio slogan of
"Ask the Man Who Owns One", eh? 600 hours makes the MTBF of my
1968 Fiat (Fix It Again Tony) 124 Spider look reliable
The Packard family's summer home on Chautauqua Lake in western
New York was in my home town. I used to fish from their big dock!
AND, I was wondering who was going to break the news that Jack
Kennedy's PT-109 was run over by a Japanese destroyer! And, since
the PT boats were made of wood, it is doubtful that any part has
survived.
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:50:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
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> James Hupy wrote on Thu, 03 May 2012 19:52
> > <big snip>
> > Only operational Higgins boat in the world with Packard Power. Other examples exist including the PT 109, John F. Kennedy's boat
> > which is in the Smithsonian I believe. <snip>
> > Jim Hupy
>
> Jim,
>
> The Packard engines were the same as those used in a number of WWII aircraft and only have a TBO of about 600 hrs and according to the people I knew they seldom made TBO in marine service. So the fact that there is only one surviving example is not a surprise. 600 hours may sound like a lot to pleasure boat owners, but then think about the fact that if you are patrolling a large area of Pacific, it is about a month of operational time. Many of the rescue service boats had 80HP Chrysler Marine 6s geared to the main shafts for station keeping.
>
> Don't go to the Smithsonian looking for PT-109. It is in 1200ft of water near the Solomon Islands. They were dark and shutdown so they hear something - Anything - and the boat was hit by a Japanese destroyer. The destroyer didn't know what it was or even think it was anything serious according to the watch log.
>
> Short anecdote.
> In the harbor that was home most of the year, the was a yacht-refit P boat (ASRs were just designated as Pw/oT). When he fueled it, they would detail a dock hand with a china marker to track when the gas pumps rolled over 99$.
>
> Sorry to continue the mistracked thread.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168469 is a reply to message #168466] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 11:00 |
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The three "Crash Boats" we worked on never made it to the Pacific Theater.
They came off the ways just as the war ended.
The ones used in the Pacific Islands where run up on the beach and set on
fire after the war.
Howard
Alpine Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 08:29
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
So much for the Packard Motor Company's braggadocio slogan of
"Ask the Man Who Owns One", eh? 600 hours makes the MTBF of my
1968 Fiat (Fix It Again Tony) 124 Spider look reliable
The Packard family's summer home on Chautauqua Lake in western
New York was in my home town. I used to fish from their big dock!
AND, I was wondering who was going to break the news that Jack
Kennedy's PT-109 was run over by a Japanese destroyer! And, since
the PT boats were made of wood, it is doubtful that any part has
survived.
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~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:50:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
>
>
>
> James Hupy wrote on Thu, 03 May 2012 19:52
> > <big snip>
> > Only operational Higgins boat in the world with Packard Power. Other
> > examples exist including the PT 109, John F. Kennedy's boat
> > which is in the Smithsonian I believe. <snip>
> > Jim Hupy
>
> Jim,
>
> The Packard engines were the same as those used in a number of WWII
> aircraft and only have a TBO of about 600 hrs and according to the people
> I knew they seldom made TBO in marine service. So the fact that there is
> only one surviving example is not a surprise. 600 hours may sound like a
> lot to pleasure boat owners, but then think about the fact that if you are
> patrolling a large area of Pacific, it is about a month of operational
> time. Many of the rescue service boats had 80HP Chrysler Marine 6s geared
> to the main shafts for station keeping.
>
> Don't go to the Smithsonian looking for PT-109. It is in 1200ft of water
> near the Solomon Islands. They were dark and shutdown so they hear
> something - Anything - and the boat was hit by a Japanese destroyer. The
> destroyer didn't know what it was or even think it was anything serious
> according to the watch log.
>
> Short anecdote.
> In the harbor that was home most of the year, the was a yacht-refit P boat
> (ASRs were just designated as Pw/oT). When he fueled it, they would detail
> a dock hand with a china marker to track when the gas pumps rolled over
> 99$.
>
> Sorry to continue the mistracked thread.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
> find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168470 is a reply to message #168466] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 11:03 |
James Hupy
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Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with very
long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war, some
were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations for
coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into work
boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's boat.
It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our families
and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous nation
on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:29 AM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> So much for the Packard Motor Company's braggadocio slogan of
> "Ask the Man Who Owns One", eh? 600 hours makes the MTBF of my
> 1968 Fiat (Fix It Again Tony) 124 Spider look reliable
>
> The Packard family's summer home on Chautauqua Lake in western
> New York was in my home town. I used to fish from their big dock!
>
> AND, I was wondering who was going to break the news that Jack
> Kennedy's PT-109 was run over by a Japanese destroyer! And, since
> the PT boats were made of wood, it is doubtful that any part has
> survived.
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:50:06 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
> >
> >
> >
> > James Hupy wrote on Thu, 03 May 2012 19:52
> > > <big snip>
> > > Only operational Higgins boat in the world with Packard Power. Other
> examples exist including the PT 109, John F. Kennedy's boat
> > > which is in the Smithsonian I believe. <snip>
> > > Jim Hupy
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > The Packard engines were the same as those used in a number of WWII
> aircraft and only have a TBO of about 600 hrs and according to the people I
> knew they seldom made TBO in marine service. So the fact that there is only
> one surviving example is not a surprise. 600 hours may sound like a lot to
> pleasure boat owners, but then think about the fact that if you are
> patrolling a large area of Pacific, it is about a month of operational
> time. Many of the rescue service boats had 80HP Chrysler Marine 6s geared
> to the main shafts for station keeping.
> >
> > Don't go to the Smithsonian looking for PT-109. It is in 1200ft of water
> near the Solomon Islands. They were dark and shutdown so they hear
> something - Anything - and the boat was hit by a Japanese destroyer. The
> destroyer didn't know what it was or even think it was anything serious
> according to the watch log.
> >
> > Short anecdote.
> > In the harbor that was home most of the year, the was a yacht-refit P
> boat (ASRs were just designated as Pw/oT). When he fueled it, they would
> detail a dock hand with a china marker to track when the gas pumps rolled
> over 99$.
> >
> > Sorry to continue the mistracked thread.
> >
> > Matt
> > --
> > Matt & Mary Colie
> > '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you
> will find
> > SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168472 is a reply to message #168470] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 11:16 |
Dennis S
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Probably appropriate to say we are fortunate to have the young women and men now serving (or who recently served) in harm's way -- they are making a contribution.
Dennis
| James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 May 2012 11:03 |
Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with very
long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war, some
were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations for
coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into work
boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's boat.
It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our families
and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous nation
on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
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Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168473 is a reply to message #168472] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 11:21 |
James Hupy
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Dennis, yes along with the riff-raff there are a great generation of young
people willing to sacrifice their lives so people like me have the
opportunities and liberty that I enjoy. Believe me, I do not take it for
granted.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> Probably appropriate to say we are fortunate to have the young women and
> men now serving (or who recently served) in harm's way -- they are making a
> contribution.
>
> Dennis
>
> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 May 2012 11:03
> > Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with very
> > long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
> > material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
> > operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war,
> some
> > were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations for
> > coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into work
> > boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
> > minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's boat.
> > It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
> > those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our families
> > and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous
> nation
> > on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
> > sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, OR
> > 78 GMC Royale 403
>
>
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> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168475 is a reply to message #168473] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 11:30 |
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I agree.
God love them
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:21
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
> Dennis, yes along with the riff-raff there are a great generation of young
> people willing to sacrifice their lives so people like me have the
> opportunities and liberty that I enjoy. Believe me, I do not take it for
> granted.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Dennis Sexton <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Probably appropriate to say we are fortunate to have the young women and
>> men now serving (or who recently served) in harm's way -- they are making
>> a
>> contribution.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 May 2012 11:03
>> > Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with
>> > very
>> > long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
>> > material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
>> > operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war,
>> some
>> > were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations
>> > for
>> > coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into
>> > work
>> > boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
>> > minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's
>> > boat.
>> > It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
>> > those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our
>> > families
>> > and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous
>> nation
>> > on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
>> > sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
>> > Jim Hupy
>> > Salem, OR
>> > 78 GMC Royale 403
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dennis S
>> 73 Painted Desert 230
>> Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168476 is a reply to message #168472] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 11:31 |
k2gkk
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In line with Dennis's comment below, here's a sample of what
at least some of today's young men and women are contributing.
These videos show the difference between Naval aviation and
any other kind. Scary and I had some 20 B-52 missions in the
Viet Nam unpleasantness.
Part 1
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/carrier1.html
Part 2
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/carrier2.html
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~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:16:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
>
>
>
> Probably appropriate to say we are fortunate to have the young women and men now serving (or who recently served) in harm's way -- they are making a contribution.
>
> Dennis
>
> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 May 2012 11:03
> > Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with very
> > long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
> > material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
> > operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war, some
> > were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations for
> > coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into work
> > boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
> > minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's boat.
> > It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
> > those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our families
> > and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous nation
> > on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
> > sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, OR
> > 78 GMC Royale 403
>
>
> --
> Dennis S
> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168477 is a reply to message #168470] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 11:40 |
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hnielsen2
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One of the boats was reported to have been owned by Lucille Ball?
We could never verify.
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:03
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with very
long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war, some
were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations for
coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into work
boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's boat.
It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our families
and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous nation
on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:29 AM, D C *Mac* Macdonald
<k2gkk@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> So much for the Packard Motor Company's braggadocio slogan of
> "Ask the Man Who Owns One", eh? 600 hours makes the MTBF of my
> 1968 Fiat (Fix It Again Tony) 124 Spider look reliable
>
> The Packard family's summer home on Chautauqua Lake in western
> New York was in my home town. I used to fish from their big dock!
>
> AND, I was wondering who was going to break the news that Jack
> Kennedy's PT-109 was run over by a Japanese destroyer! And, since
> the PT boats were made of wood, it is doubtful that any part has
> survived.
>
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> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
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> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > From: matt7323tze@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 07:50:06 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
> >
> >
> >
> > James Hupy wrote on Thu, 03 May 2012 19:52
> > > <big snip>
> > > Only operational Higgins boat in the world with Packard Power. Other
> examples exist including the PT 109, John F. Kennedy's boat
> > > which is in the Smithsonian I believe. <snip>
> > > Jim Hupy
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > The Packard engines were the same as those used in a number of WWII
> aircraft and only have a TBO of about 600 hrs and according to the people
> I
> knew they seldom made TBO in marine service. So the fact that there is
> only
> one surviving example is not a surprise. 600 hours may sound like a lot to
> pleasure boat owners, but then think about the fact that if you are
> patrolling a large area of Pacific, it is about a month of operational
> time. Many of the rescue service boats had 80HP Chrysler Marine 6s geared
> to the main shafts for station keeping.
> >
> > Don't go to the Smithsonian looking for PT-109. It is in 1200ft of water
> near the Solomon Islands. They were dark and shutdown so they hear
> something - Anything - and the boat was hit by a Japanese destroyer. The
> destroyer didn't know what it was or even think it was anything serious
> according to the watch log.
> >
> > Short anecdote.
> > In the harbor that was home most of the year, the was a yacht-refit P
> boat (ASRs were just designated as Pw/oT). When he fueled it, they would
> detail a dock hand with a china marker to track when the gas pumps rolled
> over 99$.
> >
> > Sorry to continue the mistracked thread.
> >
> > Matt
> > --
> > Matt & Mary Colie
> > '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you
> will find
> > SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168482 is a reply to message #168476] |
Fri, 04 May 2012 13:28 |
storm'n
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They're blocked in Canada for copyright reasons. ????
Norm
In line with Dennis's comment below, here's a sample of what
at least some of today's young men and women are contributing.
These videos show the difference between Naval aviation and
any other kind. Scary and I had some 20 B-52 missions in the
Viet Nam unpleasantness.
Part 1
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/carrier1.html
Part 2
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/carrier2.html
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:16:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
>
>
>
> Probably appropriate to say we are fortunate to have the young women and men now serving (or who recently served) in harm's way -- they are making a contribution.
>
> Dennis
>
> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 May 2012 11:03
> > Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with very
> > long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
> > material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
> > operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war, some
> > were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations for
> > coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into work
> > boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
> > minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's boat.
> > It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
> > those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our families
> > and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous nation
> > on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
> > sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, OR
> > 78 GMC Royale 403
>
>
> --
> Dennis S
> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Germantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff [message #168920 is a reply to message #168476] |
Tue, 08 May 2012 12:09 |
jhbridges
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You are a child of the Arc Lite? I'm impressed!
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
In line with Dennis's comment below, here's a sample of what
at least some of today's young men and women are contributing.
These videos show the difference between Naval aviation and
any other kind. Scary and I had some 20 B-52 missions in the
Viet Nam unpleasantness.
Part 1
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/carrier1.html
Part 2
http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/carrier2.html
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:16:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Not a GMC Major Job - PT boat stuff
>
>
>
> Probably appropriate to say we are fortunate to have the young women and men now serving (or who recently served) in harm's way -- they are making a contribution.
>
> Dennis
>
> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 04 May 2012 11:03
> > Yes, the PT was made of wood ribs and framing members, planked with very
> > long pieces of veneer marine plywood, and finally covered with a fabric
> > material. They were considered to be expendable as well as the men who
> > operated them. Not very many made it back to the states after the war, some
> > were scuttled in the south pacific, and some went to friendly nations for
> > coastal patrol work. A few were repowered with diesels and made into work
> > boats. Some were made into pleasure boats after the war, along with
> > minesweepers, among those the "wild goose I" which was John Wayne's boat.
> > It was kept at Squim, WA for many years before it deteriorated. Most of
> > those WWII men and machines are gradually disappearing from our families
> > and memories as well. They gave us the greatest and most prosperous nation
> > on the face of the world, and paved the way for snot nosed kids with a
> > sense of entitlement with no sense of contribution. Sad.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, OR
> > 78 GMC Royale 403
>
>
> --
> Dennis S
> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Germantown, TN
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