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Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167327] Mon, 23 April 2012 18:33 Go to next message
glacierfl   United States
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Hello All,

Someone recently remade a refrigerator cabinet. We got what we think are the correct materials but need some input on how you remade the cabinet. We still have the old cabinet partially assembled. Seems that we cannot make an "exact" duplicate because the sizes of the wood are different - such as 1/2" plywood not being 1/2". Any tips on how to go about this is greatly appreciated. We are tackling a project totally out of our area of expertise.

Regards,


Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT
Re: Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167342 is a reply to message #167327] Mon, 23 April 2012 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan Borlase is currently offline  Dan Borlase   Canada
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Steve...can't help you with your current problem, but your air cleaner should arrive by UPS within 5 or 6 days.
Dan
Re: Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167399 is a reply to message #167327] Tue, 24 April 2012 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
1275gtsport is currently offline  1275gtsport   Canada
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Steve While it is not me that is rebuilding the fridge Cabinet. I can offer a suggestion. there are 2 important measurements you will need from the old cabinet the outside dimension and the opening size. the opening is so that the fridge will fit back in and the outside is so that your not trying to insert a curved trim piece at the door.

I plan on using thin board (11/32) and 1x2 pine to rebuild my cabinet. I will build a frame to hold the thin board and the on the face by the fridge opening I will simply use and wider board "ripped" to the correct width to fill in what space is left.

so your thinner then 1/2 really should not matter. You can make an exact duplicate of the side with the switches and that may make the face by the fridge opening a little different so you will have to make a piece fit. IE: add a 1/4 inch or so.

clear as mud? I don't have any pictures to show you.
I have just started doing this to the closet module and will take pics of that to post on the photo site. it may help.


Adam Raeburn
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Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167401 is a reply to message #167327] Tue, 24 April 2012 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Denney is currently offline  Richard Denney   United States
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On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 7:33 PM, steve & debbie <zzdebz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Someone recently remade a refrigerator cabinet. We got what we think are
> the correct materials but need some input on how you remade the cabinet.
> We still have the old cabinet partially assembled. Seems that we cannot
> make an "exact" duplicate because the sizes of the wood are different -
> such as 1/2" plywood not being 1/2". Any tips on how to go about this is
> greatly appreciated. We are tackling a project totally out of our area of
> expertise.
>

If it is a propane-powered refer, then remember one important point: The
space behind the refrigerator must be sealed from the interior of the
coach, with a good vent at the highest point. Our (home-made by a PO)
cabinet did not provide an adequate seal, and we were getting a foul odor
and headaches after a couple of days of camping. We later realized that the
odor was carbon monoxide seeping into the interior. That was highly
dangerous and we were lucky. I have since installed a proper roof vent
(which wasn't there originally) and sealed the rear space of the cabinet
thoroughly. I also installed air-proof closed-cell foam weatherstripping
around the opening, so seal around the face flange of the refrigerator. The
odor problem was resolved, and no more headaches.

This is not an issue with compressor-style refrigerators which were used on
some coaches. It's only a problem with units that have a propane connection.

Refrigerators need no space at the sides, so you can build the cabinet to
fit the raw existing opening exactly. The back is where the heat exchange
takes place, and that's where you need ventilation.

Don't forget that refrigerators are heavy, and heavy things beat down on
their mountings in an RV. Make sure the bottom of the shelf is solidly
supported all the way to the floor, and preferable to a floor beam. Don't
use nails or depend on screws in tension. I had to learn that one, too,
when I noticed the cabinet pulling away from the ceiling. I ended up
installing a steel bar under one corner of the refrigerator cabinet that
was not supported all the way to the floor. There is much I've had to
re-engineer done by various previous owners (including me).

Rick "measure from the required opening" Denney

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Re: Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167402 is a reply to message #167327] Tue, 24 April 2012 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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glacierfl wrote on Mon, 23 April 2012 18:33

Hello All,

Someone recently remade a refrigerator cabinet. We got what we think are the correct materials but need some input on how you remade the cabinet. We still have the old cabinet partially assembled. Seems that we cannot make an "exact" duplicate because the sizes of the wood are different - such as 1/2" plywood not being 1/2". Any tips on how to go about this is greatly appreciated. We are tackling a project totally out of our area of expertise.

Regards,



Wally has a photo album on refrig compartment repair....

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3840-reefer-cabinet-repair.html

Dennis


Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167407 is a reply to message #167401] Tue, 24 April 2012 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Richard Denney <rwdenney@gmail.com> wrote:

> Our (home-made by a PO)
> cabinet did not provide an adequate seal, and we were getting a foul odor
> and headaches after a couple of days of camping. We later realized that the
> odor was carbon monoxide seeping into the interior. That was highly
> dangerous and we were lucky. I have since installed a proper roof vent
> (which wasn't there originally)

Rick. You were very lucky that you got the smell of burnt hydrocarbons along with the carbon monoxide. Because carbon monoxide is actually odorless. If you were getting carbon monoxide without the odor of other burning gases (propane) you would likely be dead right now.

I would suggest that you get a 12 volt carbon monoxide detector to install in your GMC. That is cheap insurance compared to funeral costs.

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Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167411 is a reply to message #167407] Tue, 24 April 2012 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Denney is currently offline  Richard Denney   United States
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On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:

> Rick. You were very lucky that you got the smell of burnt hydrocarbons
> along with the carbon monoxide. Because carbon monoxide is actually
> odorless. If you were getting carbon monoxide without the odor of other
> burning gases (propane) you would likely be dead right now.
>

Yes, I was lucky, which is why I felt it important to raise the issue. CO
is odorless, but fortunately it's not the only byproduct of propane burning.

We are fully detected now. But having that wide-open roof vent at the very
top of the compartment is better than any type of sealing. The compartment
should have a vent at the highest point (for burn exhaust) and lowest point
(for propane leaks). The objective is to provide a "low-impedance" path for
the bad stuff so that it's not tempted to seep through whatever sealing
efforts we make. The two vents also provide plenty of fresh-air exchange in
that compartment.

The PO had put a high vent as well as a low vent, but the vent was merely
above the stove rather than being at the highest point of the space.
Convection caused the gases to pool at the top of the compartment. An upper
vent on the side rather than the roof is fine, but it really must be at the
highest point of a sealed space.

Rick "who thought it uncanny that both of us had headaches and investigated
RIGHT THEN" Denney

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Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167423 is a reply to message #167411] Tue, 24 April 2012 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hal kading is currently offline  hal kading   United States
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A consideration that has not been mentioned recently is that there should be a baffle at the rear of the refrigerator approximately 1 inch outboard (to the rear)of the coils. This creates a chimney for the air so that it will impinge on, and cool the coils exhausting the heated air out the top vent.

Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167444 is a reply to message #167423] Tue, 24 April 2012 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tphipps is currently offline  tphipps   United States
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When replacing the dead Dometic frig in my Avion, with the Dometic claimed direct replacement, I found that Dometic had changed the design of the cooling coils at the top of the frig to a larger one, that is across their entire line of frigs. This larger coil hits (still) the metal side wall of the frig compartment, and causes the frig to not correctly fit. Once I get my coach back (it's on vacation in Fl), I have to remove the top cabinet, above the frig, cut new mounting frame (2" deep) and remove and remount the frig.
Direct replacement was/is a 80% solution, looking for owner input to seat properly. Runs on 110v, no gas connected now.
Tom P,
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Re: Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167456 is a reply to message #167327] Tue, 24 April 2012 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know if this will be at all helpful to your current endeavor, but this is what I did last summer when I replaced our original Norcold with a brand new one:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5863-norcold-refrigerator-installation.html

It is important that you know the dimensions of the refrigerator you plan to put in the hole and, if it's a new one, it is essential to have the installation instructions as well.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167476 is a reply to message #167327] Tue, 24 April 2012 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you all for your input. Very helpful and pleanty of stuff to consider as this project marches on and on and on. Smile

Will post photos as appropriate.

cheers and beers


Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT
Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167503 is a reply to message #167476] Tue, 24 April 2012 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

I've been looking for the picture below since this thread started to provide
a "quick and dirty" fix to get more cooling air through the fridge
compartment.

I wound up doing a Windows Explorer search for *.jpg and reviewing 7,000
pictures I have on my PC before I found them in My Pictures/Spring 2012 -
DOUH!

At any rate if you have fridge cooling problems you could try this before
you go through all the effort of tearing out and re-doing the enclosure.

BTW Avions have a fridge vent in the roof that is about 4 inches wide and 16
inches long so there's lots of area for the hot air to escape.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p43958

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: steve & debbie


Thank you all for your input. Very helpful and pleanty of stuff to consider
as this project marches on and on and on. :)

Will post photos as appropriate.

cheers and beers
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Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167533 is a reply to message #167503] Wed, 25 April 2012 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob the link did not work.
try this
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p43958-fridge-compartment-fan-installation.html

and really just a bit overkill. with the volume of air the fans move you really only need one. I installed 2 and can change the air behind the fridge 3 times a minute. so do you have small birds stuck to the side of the fridge access panel?? Smile

and also I liked the orange of the photo site Sad



Adam Raeburn
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Re: [GMCnet] Remake of Refrigerator Cabinet [message #167536 is a reply to message #167533] Wed, 25 April 2012 08:31 Go to previous message
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Adam,

Hmm, looks like the new look changed the way photos are accessed, thanks!

If one fan is all you need and two is better then four is REALLY good!

No small birds but you have explained why whenever I walk past the fridge my
pony tail gets pulled towards the access panel!

To recover GST (sales tax on stuff I buy) here in Australia I have a company
called - you guessed it; "Overkill Engineering." ;-)

I liked the blue, I liked the orange, I like the B&W. Mainly I like the fact
that Bdub is willing to maintain the site!

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: 1275gtsport@gmail.com

Rob the link did not work.
try this
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/member-galleries/p43958-fridge-compartment
-fan-installation.html

and really just a bit overkill. with the volume of air the fans move you
really only need one. I installed 2 and can change the air behind the fridge
3 times a minute. so do you have small birds stuck to the side of the fridge
access panel?? :)

and also I liked the orange of the photo site :(

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