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No fenders, no windshield/windshield wipers, et al.
I'm about 99.999% positive they would NOT be street
legal in Oklahoma!
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> Check these out for toads: http://www.coolthings.com/tom-wrights-street-legal-bumper-cars/
> Get four or five together, should be some kinda fun
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'Nother kind of toad [message #164853 is a reply to message #164787] |
Sun, 01 April 2012 00:14 |
Larry C
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No fenders, no windshield/windshield wipers, et al.
I'm about 99.999% positive they would NOT be street
legal in Oklahoma!
These were actual bumper cars rescued when they were going to be scrapped. The Guys formed a club and converted them to what they thought were street legal vehicles. They are powered by a motorcycle engine.
They took them to the state Licence place to get them legally licensed for street use. About a month or so later the state reviewed what they made legal and revoked the legality.
They are extremely cool, and would be cool for running around the campgrounds.
And then there was...........
MY LAST TRIP TO COSTCO
Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog.
I was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog.
What did she think I had an elephant? So because I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again.
I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms.
I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry.
The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.)
Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's rear end and a car hit me.
I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was Laughing so hard.
Costco won't let me shop there anymore. Better watch what you ask retired people. They have all the time in the World to think of crazy things to say.
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| Re: 'Nother kind of toad [message #164978 is a reply to message #164916] |
Sun, 01 April 2012 22:44 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| noi wrote on Sun, 01 April 2012 15:48 |
Bob,
Just what about the Smartcar did you not like? - We were thinking of getting one for a tow car.
Thanks!
Carl P.
76 Birchaven
South of Fremont
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Carl--see my previous post but frankly the more I drove it the less I liked it. There are tons of them for sale because no one else liked them either.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: 'Nother kind of toad [message #165156 is a reply to message #165131] |
Tue, 03 April 2012 09:58 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| noi wrote on Tue, 03 April 2012 00:12 |
Bob,
Thanks for the input – I felt the same way about the auto/manual when we went for a demo ride – My biggest concern was it felt “boggy” when first starting out – I was also not keen on, and it also just didn’t “feel right”, the way the auto/paddle shift worked and the speed/RPM/shift points.
And the way it shifted…. While my “right hand” could be given something to do (paddle shifter), my “left foot” kept wanting to do something besides sitting on the floor when shift time came – All in all, I thought it would have been better to go fully one way or the other…. Automatic or Stick Shift.
But with all that said, felt it was something I could get used to when the time came to getting one – But will have to do a bit more research now taking your thoughts into consideration.
Thanks,
Carl P.
76 Birchaven
South of Fremont
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I never did get used to it Carl--it was aggravating all the time. It is by far the largest complaint for that vehicle. It is basically a 5 speed manual transmission shifted by servos and a slow computer. I've been surprised that they never really improved the issue after all these years--it has cost them a lot of sales. A new one is due shortly and I'm sure it will be substantially better.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: 'Nother kind of toad, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS [message #165268 is a reply to message #165156] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 03:05 |
Larry C
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The other day I looked at the Chevy VOLT. It is rather unpretesious, and not a very intimidating car... It looks just like the Dino oil burner sitting next to it. If it were not for the power cord tethering it to the outlet, you'd never know.
The sales person is well trained and could answer most of my questions on the spot. We talked and walked around the VOLT in the show room, about a 41,000 dollar ticket, and he explained the differences to the dino burners then began to compare the other electric, or hybred models. They don't compare.
Driving, of course, depends on how YOU drive, weather and terrain. It is one of the few electric vehicles that can drive cross country... there is one electric out there that has no fossil fuel backup, you run the batteries down, you need a tow.
He offered to take the DEMO for a drive, and being interested in ELECTRICs, I was ready to go. We got in and he explained all the gadgets, the two screens on the dash and showed me all the screen sensitive controls. There are not too many real buttons on this car. Actually, you are driving a really big computer, with a car body attached to it.
There is no key, at least not as we are used to. You hold onto a device, much like todays door unlocking fob. It does have a door key in it, in case the computer wont let you in other wise, the fob tells the car you can open the door and in you go.
Once in the car senses the key fob. You push the START button and the displays light up with all kinds of information, and you get even more info when you start to move as it calculates your battery power, speed, distance you can go under the stored power, distance with the gas generator assist, if you get in trouble with this car, its because you arent paying attention to the display.
He tells me to drive off, I put it in DRIVE, the car is completely silent, pressing on the accelorator ( I almost called it the gas pedal ), and you hear an electrical sound, I guessed it was a solenoid or speed control and the car starts to roll in complete quiet, the only familiar sound is the wheels rolling over the asphalt.
The car has good pick up, he said 0 to 65 in 8 or so sec and it handles like any other new car. Braking includes the motor generating power back to the battery as you slow down to stop. This braking is illustrated on the screen on the center dash as a couple of arrows flowing back to the battery..
I would guess we drove about 10 miles and I headed back. He asked how I liked the steering. I said it felt fine, why? He said the VOLT has electrical steering, similar to the VETTE. There is no steering shaft to the front steering mechanisms. That made be a bit nervous, what if a fuse blew, I thought....
We pulled in and the quiet little car stopped and became even quieter. This model had Air Con, and a heater that had a separate battery. The car uses 15 amps of power for varible times depending on the state of the battery and costs about $1.50 a day to charge it.
The VOLT looks the same as any other new car at the dealer until you look at the dash, and even then you may not catch on unless you look really hard at what your are seeing.
Use as a toad, I dunno about that, the batteries weigh about 600 lbs by themselves... But with a range of about 37 ( EPA RATING ) miles per charge and 100 MPG with the motor gen, it sounds like it may be a good town car..
You all should go take a lookie and see.. It is something to see.
What I did the other day
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'Nother kind of toad, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS [message #165277 is a reply to message #165268] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 08:13 |
Steven Ferguson
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Better read a little more. There is nothing about the car that you can't
get elsewhere for about $20K less. That includes range and comparative
mileage.
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Larry C <slawrence111@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> The other day I looked at the Chevy VOLT. It is rather unpretesious, and
> not a very intimidating car... It looks just like the Dino oil burner
> sitting next to it. If it were not for the power cord tethering it to the
> outlet, you'd never know.
>
> The sales person is well trained and could answer most of my questions on
> the spot. We talked and walked around the VOLT in the show room, about a
> 41,000 dollar ticket, and he explained the differences to the dino burners
> then began to compare the other electric, or hybred models. They don't
> compare.
>
> Driving, of course, depends on how YOU drive, weather and terrain. It is
> one of the few electric vehicles that can drive cross country... there is
> one electric out there that has no fossil fuel backup, you run the
> batteries down, you need a tow.
>
> He offered to take the DEMO for a drive, and being interested in
> ELECTRICs, I was ready to go. We got in and he explained all the gadgets,
> the two screens on the dash and showed me all the screen sensitive
> controls. There are not too many real buttons on this car. Actually, you
> are driving a really big computer, with a car body attached to it.
>
> There is no key, at least not as we are used to. You hold onto a device,
> much like todays door unlocking fob. It does have a door key in it, in
> case the computer wont let you in other wise, the fob tells the car you can
> open the door and in you go.
>
> Once in the car senses the key fob. You push the START button and the
> displays light up with all kinds of information, and you get even more info
> when you start to move as it calculates your battery power, speed, distance
> you can go under the stored power, distance with the gas generator assist,
> if you get in trouble with this car, its because you arent paying attention
> to the display.
>
> He tells me to drive off, I put it in DRIVE, the car is completely silent,
> pressing on the accelorator ( I almost called it the gas pedal ), and you
> hear an electrical sound, I guessed it was a solenoid or speed control and
> the car starts to roll in complete quiet, the only familiar sound is the
> wheels rolling over the asphalt.
>
> The car has good pick up, he said 0 to 65 in 8 or so sec and it handles
> like any other new car. Braking includes the motor generating power back
> to the battery as you slow down to stop. This braking is illustrated on
> the screen on the center dash as a couple of arrows flowing back to the
> battery..
>
> I would guess we drove about 10 miles and I headed back. He asked how I
> liked the steering. I said it felt fine, why? He said the VOLT has
> electrical steering, similar to the VETTE. There is no steering shaft to
> the front steering mechanisms. That made be a bit nervous, what if a fuse
> blew, I thought....
>
> We pulled in and the quiet little car stopped and became even quieter.
> This model had Air Con, and a heater that had a separate battery. The car
> uses 15 amps of power for varible times depending on the state of the
> battery and costs about $1.50 a day to charge it.
>
> The VOLT looks the same as any other new car at the dealer until you look
> at the dash, and even then you may not catch on unless you look really hard
> at what your are seeing.
>
> Use as a toad, I dunno about that, the batteries weigh about 600 lbs by
> themselves... But with a range of about 37 ( EPA RATING ) miles per charge
> and 100 MPH with the motor gen, it sounds like it may be a good town car..
>
> You all should go take a lookie and see.. It is something to see.
>
>
> What I did the other day
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> 74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
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> CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
> http://www.gmceast.com/travel
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'Nother kind of toad, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS [message #165284 is a reply to message #165277] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 09:01 |
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Hi Steve
I hadn't heard that there was another make that had an electric engine with a separate gasoline engine so for short range you would only use battery power and for longer range it would use gasoline.
I am familiar with hybrids but they are not the same.
Which models are you referring to?
Being ably to just plug in at night for trips to town really appeals to me.
I wonder what campgrounds are doing about people using their electricity to recharge their toads?
Emery Stora
On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> Better read a little more. There is nothing about the car that you can't
> get elsewhere for about $20K less. That includes range and comparative
> mileage.
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Larry C <slawrence111@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> The other day I looked at the Chevy VOLT. It is rather unpretesious, and
>> not a very intimidating car... It looks just like the Dino oil burner
>> sitting next to it. If it were not for the power cord tethering it to the
>> outlet, you'd never know.
>>
>> The sales person is well trained and could answer most of my questions on
>> the spot. We talked and walked around the VOLT in the show room, about a
>> 41,000 dollar ticket, and he explained the differences to the dino burners
>> then began to compare the other electric, or hybred models. They don't
>> compare.
>>
>> Driving, of course, depends on how YOU drive, weather and terrain. It is
>> one of the few electric vehicles that can drive cross country... there is
>> one electric out there that has no fossil fuel backup, you run the
>> batteries down, you need a tow.
>>
>> He offered to take the DEMO for a drive, and being interested in
>> ELECTRICs, I was ready to go. We got in and he explained all the gadgets,
>> the two screens on the dash and showed me all the screen sensitive
>> controls. There are not too many real buttons on this car. Actually, you
>> are driving a really big computer, with a car body attached to it.
>>
>> There is no key, at least not as we are used to. You hold onto a device,
>> much like todays door unlocking fob. It does have a door key in it, in
>> case the computer wont let you in other wise, the fob tells the car you can
>> open the door and in you go.
>>
>> Once in the car senses the key fob. You push the START button and the
>> displays light up with all kinds of information, and you get even more info
>> when you start to move as it calculates your battery power, speed, distance
>> you can go under the stored power, distance with the gas generator assist,
>> if you get in trouble with this car, its because you arent paying attention
>> to the display.
>>
>> He tells me to drive off, I put it in DRIVE, the car is completely silent,
>> pressing on the accelorator ( I almost called it the gas pedal ), and you
>> hear an electrical sound, I guessed it was a solenoid or speed control and
>> the car starts to roll in complete quiet, the only familiar sound is the
>> wheels rolling over the asphalt.
>>
>> The car has good pick up, he said 0 to 65 in 8 or so sec and it handles
>> like any other new car. Braking includes the motor generating power back
>> to the battery as you slow down to stop. This braking is illustrated on
>> the screen on the center dash as a couple of arrows flowing back to the
>> battery..
>>
>> I would guess we drove about 10 miles and I headed back. He asked how I
>> liked the steering. I said it felt fine, why? He said the VOLT has
>> electrical steering, similar to the VETTE. There is no steering shaft to
>> the front steering mechanisms. That made be a bit nervous, what if a fuse
>> blew, I thought....
>>
>> We pulled in and the quiet little car stopped and became even quieter.
>> This model had Air Con, and a heater that had a separate battery. The car
>> uses 15 amps of power for varible times depending on the state of the
>> battery and costs about $1.50 a day to charge it.
>>
>> The VOLT looks the same as any other new car at the dealer until you look
>> at the dash, and even then you may not catch on unless you look really hard
>> at what your are seeing.
>>
>> Use as a toad, I dunno about that, the batteries weigh about 600 lbs by
>> themselves... But with a range of about 37 ( EPA RATING ) miles per charge
>> and 100 MPH with the motor gen, it sounds like it may be a good town car..
>>
>> You all should go take a lookie and see.. It is something to see.
>>
>>
>> What I did the other day
>> --
>> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d 08-18-04
>> 74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
>> Remflex Manifold gaskets
>>
>> CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
>> http://www.gmceast.com/travel
>>
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| Re: 'Nother kind of toad, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS [message #165293 is a reply to message #165268] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 10:12 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""You all should go take a lookie and see.. It is something to see.
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Larry--nice write up. I've had the chance to drive the Volt a few times and frankly I love it. It is based off the same platform as the Chevy Cruze and that's why it looks like a regular car. Although it does have electric power steering, the wheel is still connected to the rack and suspension with a conventional shaft. Some of the electronics such as electric door latches are also found in other GM cars such as the CTS and STS. I have one of those and find it an unecessary gimmick. All in all however, I think it's a nice piece of work. The Fisker Karma is currently the only other range extended hybrid (like the Volt), but Toyota, Ford and VW will be close behind. It's a different approach than pure electric and I think either approach has its own merits. As you can imagine, the electric car groupies will argue which is better for years to come:)
Bob de Kruyff
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Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'Nother kind of toad, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS [message #165299 is a reply to message #165268] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 10:16 |
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Since I have not done much research on electric cars I am guessing on this. But my thinking is the electric TOAD could probably be getting the batteries charged as one tows it.
Bob
On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:05 AM, Larry C wrote:
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> The other day I looked at the Chevy VOLT. It is rather unpretesious, and not a very intimidating car... It looks just like the Dino oil burner sitting next to it. If it were not for the power cord tethering it to the outlet, you'd never know.
>
> The sales person is well trained and could answer most of my questions on the spot. We talked and walked around the VOLT in the show room, about a 41,000 dollar ticket, and he explained the differences to the dino burners then began to compare the other electric, or hybred models. They don't compare.
>
> Driving, of course, depends on how YOU drive, weather and terrain. It is one of the few electric vehicles that can drive cross country... there is one electric out there that has no fossil fuel backup, you run the batteries down, you need a tow.
>
> He offered to take the DEMO for a drive, and being interested in ELECTRICs, I was ready to go. We got in and he explained all the gadgets, the two screens on the dash and showed me all the screen sensitive controls. There are not too many real buttons on this car. Actually, you are driving a really big computer, with a car body attached to it.
>
> There is no key, at least not as we are used to. You hold onto a device, much like todays door unlocking fob. It does have a door key in it, in case the computer wont let you in other wise, the fob tells the car you can open the door and in you go.
>
> Once in the car senses the key fob. You push the START button and the displays light up with all kinds of information, and you get even more info when you start to move as it calculates your battery power, speed, distance you can go under the stored power, distance with the gas generator assist, if you get in trouble with this car, its because you arent paying attention to the display.
>
> He tells me to drive off, I put it in DRIVE, the car is completely silent, pressing on the accelorator ( I almost called it the gas pedal ), and you hear an electrical sound, I guessed it was a solenoid or speed control and the car starts to roll in complete quiet, the only familiar sound is the wheels rolling over the asphalt.
>
> The car has good pick up, he said 0 to 65 in 8 or so sec and it handles like any other new car. Braking includes the motor generating power back to the battery as you slow down to stop. This braking is illustrated on the screen on the center dash as a couple of arrows flowing back to the battery..
>
> I would guess we drove about 10 miles and I headed back. He asked how I liked the steering. I said it felt fine, why? He said the VOLT has electrical steering, similar to the VETTE. There is no steering shaft to the front steering mechanisms. That made be a bit nervous, what if a fuse blew, I thought....
>
> We pulled in and the quiet little car stopped and became even quieter. This model had Air Con, and a heater that had a separate battery. The car uses 15 amps of power for varible times depending on the state of the battery and costs about $1.50 a day to charge it.
>
> The VOLT looks the same as any other new car at the dealer until you look at the dash, and even then you may not catch on unless you look really hard at what your are seeing.
>
> Use as a toad, I dunno about that, the batteries weigh about 600 lbs by themselves... But with a range of about 37 ( EPA RATING ) miles per charge and 100 MPH with the motor gen, it sounds like it may be a good town car..
>
> You all should go take a lookie and see.. It is something to see.
>
>
> What I did the other day
> --
> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d 08-18-04
> 74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
> Remflex Manifold gaskets
>
> CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
> http://www.gmceast.com/travel
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'Nother kind of toad, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS [message #165301 is a reply to message #165299] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 10:23 |
Don A
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<<< the electric TOAD could probably be getting the batteries charged as one tows it. Bob >>>
Wonder what that would cost in reduced mpg?
Don Adams Dallas, TX
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| Re: [GMCnet] 'Nother kind of toad, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CARS [message #165303 is a reply to message #165301] |
Wed, 04 April 2012 10:31 |
Dolph Santorine
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Hmmm.... Out here, electric cars really run on COAL.
FWIW, that $1.50 per day is about to be more like $5.00 with the grid and excise tax hikes that are coming. No congressional approval required!
$1.50 per day is $46.50 per month. There are lots of miserly vehicles (and diesels) that will do better than that for comparable miles.
The CO2 released when they make that battery pack is about the same as building a Suburban and driving it 300,000 miles.
I always thought electrics were cool, but not for eco reasons. There were a lot of them around at the turn of the 20th century.
Dolph
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
dolph@dolphsantorine.com
1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
TZE167V100820
1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
TZE166V101610
On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Don Adams wrote:
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> <<< the electric TOAD could probably be getting the batteries charged as one tows it. Bob >>>
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> Wonder what that would cost in reduced mpg?
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> Dallas, TX
> 1976 26' Glenbrook
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