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[GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #164773] Sat, 31 March 2012 09:55 Go to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Quick question here. Has there been any update on suitable
alternator, water pump/power steering, and A/C belts since
the Spring 2011 Parts Interchange Index?

If I remember correctly, a correct width belt will NOT fit
into an 11 mm open end wrench.

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Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #164774 is a reply to message #164773] Sat, 31 March 2012 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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Mac,

This is my post of May 2011 -- last time I bought belts...

May 2, 2011
Part numbers for 455 belts in the archives and on Gene's site are listed as
AC 15620
Alt 15573
PS 15450

Checking at autozone the air conditioning and alternator belts are no longer regularly available -- new Duralast part numbers are

AC 15615
Alt 15575

Since the last three numbers are the length in inches the AC belt is 0.5 inch shorter and the alt belt is 0.2 inch longer. I do not expect this difference to be a problem -- but. I have not yet installed them -- can anyone else confirm their fit and then we can give the numbers to bdub for the GMCMI parts interchange.

The belts are all labeled 11 mm and I measured them all to confirm their width.

The belts were $7.99 each.

End...

Dennis



k2gkk wrote on Sat, 31 March 2012 09:55


Quick question here. Has there been any update on suitable
alternator, water pump/power steering, and A/C belts since
the Spring 2011 Parts Interchange Index?

If I remember correctly, a correct width belt will NOT fit
into an 11 mm open end wrench.

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73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #164775 is a reply to message #164774] Sat, 31 March 2012 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Thanks, Dennis.

I think I'll head for the NAPA store.

BTW, Peter Bailey said thanks for the
package you sent to him via me.

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:16:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts
>
>
>
> Mac,
>
> This is my post of May 2011 -- last time I bought belts...
>
> May 2, 2011
> Part numbers for 455 belts in the archives and on Gene's site are listed as
> AC 15620
> Alt 15573
> PS 15450
>
> Checking at autozone the air conditioning and alternator belts are no longer regularly available -- new Duralast part numbers are
>
> AC 15615
> Alt 15575
>
> Since the last three numbers are the length in inches the AC belt is 0.5 inch shorter and the alt belt is 0.2 inch longer. I do not expect this difference to be a problem -- but. I have not yet installed them -- can anyone else confirm their fit and then we can give the numbers to bdub for the GMCMI parts interchange.
>
> The belts are all labeled 11 mm and I measured them all to confirm their width.
>
> The belts were $7.99 each.
>
> End...
>
> Dennis

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Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #164778 is a reply to message #164775] Sat, 31 March 2012 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sgltrac is currently offline  sgltrac   United States
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How do the new bags feel Mac?

Sully
77 royale
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts


Thanks, Dennis.

I think I'll head for the NAPA store.

BTW, Peter Bailey said thanks for the
package you sent to him via me.

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~~ k2gkk @ hotmail dot com ~~
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~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:16:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts
>
>
>
> Mac,
>
> This is my post of May 2011 -- last time I bought belts...
>
> May 2, 2011
> Part numbers for 455 belts in the archives and on Gene's site are listed as
> AC 15620
> Alt 15573
> PS 15450
>
> Checking at autozone the air conditioning and alternator belts are no longer regularly available -- new Duralast part numbers are
>
> AC 15615
> Alt 15575
>
> Since the last three numbers are the length in inches the AC belt is 0.5 inch shorter and the alt belt is 0.2 inch longer. I do not expect this difference to be a problem -- but. I have not yet installed them -- can anyone else confirm their fit and then we can give the numbers to bdub for the GMCMI parts interchange.
>
> The belts are all labeled 11 mm and I measured them all to confirm their width.
>
> The belts were $7.99 each.
>
> End...
>
> Dennis

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Sully 77 Royale basket case. Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list) Seattle, Wa.
Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #164784 is a reply to message #164778] Sat, 31 March 2012 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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The suspension system seems fine, Sully. Many thanks.
No more worries for me on THAT subject. Lots of other
problems to work out, though.

The left side would not rise up manually to where I
thought it should. Possibly the actuator rod is too
short to allow a rise.

As you have probably noted, I have some other more
pressing problems at this time. I just hope that the
loss of water circulation and subsequent engine
overheating didn't damage the engine. It was knocking
pretty heavily under load when I noted the problem!

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: sgltrac@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:52:56 +0000
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts
>
> How do the new bags feel Mac?
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
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Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #164801 is a reply to message #164784] Sat, 31 March 2012 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob de Kruyff   United States
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""As you have probably noted, I have some other more
pressing problems at this time. I just hope that the
loss of water circulation and subsequent engine
overheating didn't damage the engine. It was knocking
pretty heavily under load when I noted the problem!

::

If you still have an Olds engine, you most likely wil be fine. The knocking most likely was pre-ignition from very hot combustion chambers.


Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #164809 is a reply to message #164801] Sat, 31 March 2012 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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The knock dropped off as soon as I got off the loud pedal!
I was going up a pretty good hill when it all happened.

From a recent post on GMC engine reliability and strengths I
sort of wish I had Pontiac 389 in there instead of the 455!

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: NEXT2POOL@AOL.COM
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:00:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts
>
>
>
> ""As you have probably noted, I have some other more
> pressing problems at this time. I just hope that the
> loss of water circulation and subsequent engine
> overheating didn't damage the engine. It was knocking
> pretty heavily under load when I noted the problem!
>
> ::
>
> If you still have an Olds engine, you most likely wil be fine. The knocking most likely was pre-ignition from very hot combustion chambers.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ

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Re: [GMCnet] Engine belts [message #342153 is a reply to message #164773] Mon, 01 April 2019 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
emerystora is currently offline  emerystora   United States
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Yes but you have to work the belts around the fan blades. There is usually one place where the fan shroud has a little bit of clearance so you can work the belt in over the blades without taking off the shroud. Just lean in over the top of the engine to do it.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick CO

> On Apr 1, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Todd Sullivan via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Yes but you will need to remove the fan shroud.
>
> Sully
> Bellevue wa.
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:12 AM rallymaster--- via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is it possible to replace the power steering and alternator belts without
>> removing the radiator?
>>
>>
>> Ron & Linda Clark
>> North Plains, ORYGUN
>> 1978 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] Engine belts [message #342205 is a reply to message #164773] Tue, 02 April 2019 23:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How did the change to 1/2" belts go, and what mfg. and part #, if you
remember.

Thanks, RonC

On Mon, 01 Apr 2019 15:13:40 -0600 Ken Burton via Gmclist
writes:
> After reading one of your postings here on the procedure, I decided
> to try it when I changed to 1/2" belts. It worked great.
>
> Ken B.
>
> Kingsley Coach wrote on Mon, 01 April 2019 15:33
>> Some day I'll show up at a rally and show you how change belts
> without
>> moving the shroud or loosening any attachment like the A/C,
> alternator, or
>> power steering.
>> I tried to write up a description of the process many years ago
> but no one
>> seemed too excited..lol Before I discovered I had the alternator
> out of
>> alignment with the rest of the pulleys on one of my trips to NM, I
> changed
>> a total of 3 belts on the side of the road. One was supervised by
> a Trooper
>> who spent a lot of time scratching his head lol
>>
>> Mike in NS
>
>
> --
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #342206 is a reply to message #164773] Tue, 02 April 2019 23:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Rather than rely on my memory (part number A56 comes to mind) for the Alternator belt(s). I have a double alternator belt and I have no PS belt. Let me go search for the postings to make sure. I put them on 2 different coaches at the time and there is one spare set in one of the coaches now. Unfortunately neither of the coaches are here for me to go look at.

Let me research it again.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #342207 is a reply to message #342206] Wed, 03 April 2019 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Well, my memory still works sometimes. The alternator belt is an A56. NAPA is one source for it. I ordered ours from one of the two V-belt supply places in Sioux Falls. This is an industrial number so brand does not matter. A56 says it is a 56" belt. The problem is the industrial belts are measured ID and ours are measured OD. So an industrial belt of the same physical size will have slightly lower number A56 works great for the alternator and is 58" OD.

I looked up the various part numbers listed for our coaches using OEM 7/16" belts.

The alternator translates to 7/16" by 57" to 57.5" inches and we know A56 works great here. So I say subtract 1 to 1.5 use that length number for the A (industrial belt) size.

I have not figured out or installed the correct PS belt because I do not have any need for one. But this is what I think they should be it should be:

403 and 455 Alternator (I have only tested a 455).
7/16" X 57" to 57.5" use an A56

403 and 455 power steering.
7/16" x 42" use an A40 or A41

455 AC
7/16" X 62" use an A60 or A61

403 AC appears to be
7/16" 60.3" to 60.7" use an A59

If you have any doubts on the size + or - an inch, order them both. The most expensive belt listed above was around $3.50 down to around $2.35 each.

Then next time I order something from them I will throw an A61 on the order for my AC.

https://www.vbeltsupply.com/conventional-wrapped-belts/a-section-conventional-wrapped-belts?limit=36&p=2


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76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Engine Belts [message #342212 is a reply to message #342207] Wed, 03 April 2019 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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For more than a few years now, I have run and had no trouble with Gates XL Numbers:
11A1575 - 7619
11A1450 - 7570

Both of these are 11mm~15/32 belts, but they do not pass the 10mm wrench test because the profile is shaved at the shoulders. After a considerable discussion with the Gates engineer that I still knew (according to my engine log this was about 10 years ago), I found out that these belts are designed to have the correct pitch length, but not have the fabric ride on the sheave as this fabric would wear the sheave out. It seems he is correct.

I run the dual on the alternator and wanted a pair of matched belts. Same guy told me not to bother as their process controls are now so good that any pair of belts by the same number right off the line will be as close in pitch length as matched pairs used to be.

Matt, Still aground in Ridgeland SC and watching for parts to show up today.


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Re: [GMCnet] Engine belts [message #342215 is a reply to message #342205] Wed, 03 April 2019 08:37 Go to previous message
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http://www.bdub.net/belts.pdf

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 11:28 PM rallymaster--- via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> How did the change to 1/2" belts go, and what mfg. and part #, if you
> remember.
>
> Thanks, RonC
>
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2019 15:13:40 -0600 Ken Burton via Gmclist writes:
>> After reading one of your postings here on the procedure, I decided
>> to try it when I changed to 1/2" belts. It worked great.
>
>
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