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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #162913 is a reply to message #162906] |
Tue, 13 March 2012 21:28   |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 13 March 2012 20:02 |
And some of you wonder why I don't like cold places!
www.rmirror.net:80/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/
Ken H.
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Even though the link didn't work for me, don't let it get you down Ken. You can always come and visit us in warm and sunny Arizona 
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #162921 is a reply to message #162906] |
Tue, 13 March 2012 21:45 |
nchapekis
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 13 March 2012 22:02 |
And some of you wonder why I don't like cold places!
www.rmirror.net:80/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/
Ken H.
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It doesn't need to be cold or icy for something like that to happen. On one of the warmest, driest, sunniest afternoons of the summer last year, a driver got too close to the shoulder of the highway, over-corrected, and shot across both lanes right in front of us and our coach. Luckily I was able to get around him with plenty of room to spare, but it could have been ugly.
Nick Chapekis
Ypsilanti, MI
former owner - 78 Kingsley
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #162946 is a reply to message #162945] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 06:54 |
Steven Ferguson
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If you watch the dark SUV closely, you can see an unsignalled lane change,
very close following, then it would appear that the driver's attention was
diverted as the vehicle drifted towards the center island. It appears that
the driver made an abrupt move to get back into the No 1 lane and that is
where he or she lost control. Lack of a signal when changing lanes,
following too closely and the eventual drift are all signs of distracted
driving. Cell phone, drowsiness, applying makeup, heart attack (a stretch
here) or a dropped french fry. A lot of people paid a high price for that.
Send this to your kids.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Michael Schultz <mschultz2002@chartermi.net
> wrote:
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> Very sad that these things happen. Obviously there is no way anyone in the
> spun car survived that crash. A number of years ago, I was first on scene
> of a car that had lost control, spun 180 degrees and was then hit rear on
> by a driver from the other direction. The driver of the spun car ejected
> out the back window and was fetal position on the centerline when I got to
> him and did not survive and the passenger luckly was held by the seatbelt
> and did not eject. The roadway was no worse then in this video, a bit of
> slush. Loss of control is deadly, please do not overdrive the condition of
> the road.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #162954 is a reply to message #162946] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 08:02 |
Ken Henderson
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I DID send it to MY kids & Grandkids, even before to GMCNet. I
encourage everyone to do so -- along with Steve's analysis of probably
causes. It's a dangerous world out there.
Ken H.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Steven Ferguson wrote:
> If you watch the dark SUV closely, you can see an unsignalled lane change,
> very close following, then it would appear that the driver's attention was
> diverted as the vehicle drifted towards the center island. Â It appears that
> the driver made an abrupt move to get back into the No 1 lane and that is
> where he or she lost control. Â Lack of a signal when changing lanes,
> following too closely and the eventual drift are all signs of distracted
> driving. Â Cell phone, drowsiness, applying makeup, heart attack (a stretch
> here) or a dropped french fry. Â A lot of people paid a high price for that.
> Â Send this to your kids.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #162956 is a reply to message #162954] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 08:17 |
Ken Burton
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The real question is:
WHY does the driver of the SUV feel compelled to pass the truck in the first place?
This I just got to pass that truck attitude doesn't work when driving in snow. Trucks are much heavier and usually track better in the slush that we saw in the video. Accordingly they are usually running faster than cars should under those highway conditions.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #162965 is a reply to message #162906] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 09:52 |
GeorgeRud
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As a GMC owner that has spent much more time wrenching on my toy rather than driving it (so far), I find that I drive extremely cautiously when in the GMC as I don't have much seat time in a vehicle this big. It seems that SUV drivers think they can go through anything with their four wheel drive, but the laws of physics still apply.
My brother is an MD in Albuquerque, and some of the black ice stories he has are just as frightening to hear. This is a good reminder to drive cautiously and stay safe out there!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #162987 is a reply to message #162965] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 15:25 |
tphipps
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A very good demostration of the Laws of Experimental Physics. Or, can two objects occupy the same place at the same time.
The woman who hit me in Texas was on cell phone. Killed my pick-up, killed her "borrowed" Honda, and resulted in her small child being air-lifted to a major tramua center.
Tom Phipps,
Watch out for the crazies, they are out there.
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #163006 is a reply to message #162906] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 19:12 |
JohnL455
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Yes that was a case where some road coarse driving experieince would have paid off. First they wouldn't have overcorrected, and second they wouldn't have taken that risk. Had a guy on the 405 infront of me in a front drive import do that overcorrect move and ate the center guard rail firt 45 to the left and then a 45 to the right in front of me and offf into the embankement. Dry out. And a guy in an Exlorer I suspect low tire pressure came into my Peterbiit tandem straight truck right tank and ended up under my rear tandems. Shot him out to the far right median. Out of no where... hence the term accident. Dry out too.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #163008 is a reply to message #163007] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 19:45 |
James Hupy
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All I can say is, Winter sucks, and people are not all great drivers.
Snowed here yesterday, and they are predicting more this week end. If they
don't get a handle on this "Global Warming" stuff fairly soon, we are
likely to freeze to death.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR {on the 45th Parallel}
78 GMC Royale 403
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> My wife came up with a line many years ago. She had to go someplace, it
> was a early showfall. Shes reading in the living room and I asked why she
> hadn't left. She said,
> "I'm waiting for the idiots to have their accidents and go home."
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> She grew up in upper New York. The only time she has had trouble with the
> driving conditions were when she was forced off the road with children in
> the car.
>
> Matt
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> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
> find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #163009 is a reply to message #163008] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 19:50 |
kelvin
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Ask 100 people if they're better than average drivers and 98 of them
will say yes.
Makes for a very strange bell curve...
Just sayin'...
Kelvin
> All I can say is, Winter sucks, and people are not all great drivers.
> Snowed here yesterday, and they are predicting more this week end. If they
> don't get a handle on this "Global Warming" stuff fairly soon, we are
> likely to freeze to death.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR {on the 45th Parallel}
> 78 GMC Royale 403
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> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Matt Colie<matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>
>> My wife came up with a line many years ago. She had to go someplace, it
>> was a early showfall. Shes reading in the living room and I asked why she
>> hadn't left. She said,
>> "I'm waiting for the idiots to have their accidents and go home."
>>
>> She grew up in upper New York. The only time she has had trouble with the
>> driving conditions were when she was forced off the road with children in
>> the car.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt& Mary Colie
>> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
>> find
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #163012 is a reply to message #162914] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 20:58 |
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Thanks for the Google compressed link, Ken.
It translated to something not quite identical to
the original as I received it:
(http://www.rmirror.net/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/)
Here's how I originally received it:
(www.rmirror.net:80/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/)
Notice the ":80" that somehow was added to the correct URL.
I witnessed something similar back around 1970 in Germany.
I was driving my 1964 1/2 Mustang south from Frankfurt on
the autobahn after a very wet overnight snowstorm.
The road was just wet in the right lane where I was but
the left lane had a lot of deep slush with just a pair of
tracks.
A local in a large Mercedes or BMW pulled out to pass me.
That car started to fishtail when the driver made an over-
correction and did maybe two or three complete 360s, all
the while staying in his own lane. He may have bounced off
the guard rail, I don't know.
I immediately slowed when I noticed the first fishtail and
was totally clear when he finally brought the car straight
again and moved to my lane. I noticed that the driver was
no longer in as big a hurry as he had been. I wonder how
much it costs to clean and sanitize the upholstery in a
Merc or Beemer.
By the way, I took my driver license test on glare ice in
a 1950 Olds 98 back in 1954 in the western NY snow belt
Chautauqua County! I got LOTS of practice driving in snow
and ice. I get a surprising amount of practice here in OK!
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> From: hend4800@bellsouth.net
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:27:50 -0400
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard
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> Still works for me, but let's try a Google compressed link:
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> http://goo.gl/RBsJS
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> Ken H.
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> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:10 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
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> > Link wouldn't work for me, Ken.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #163014 is a reply to message #163012] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 21:13 |
Ken Henderson
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These computers can really be funny. When I click on your "incorrect"
URL, I go to the same site as expected.
I beat you to the driver's license bureau by a year -- 14 Feb 53.
Fortunately we didn't have any ice. :-) In fact, I don't even
remember the driving test. I do remember getting my CDL (so I could
drive my uncle's hearse/ambulance) -- cost me $5.00 (and NOTHING
more).
I drove that same autobahn in '54 & '55; we lived in Darmstadt and I
graduated from high school in Frankfurt. The military rule had been
that no one under 18 yo could drive in Germany. I arrived a week or
so after the rule changed to allow those who already had licences to
drive. So, at 17, I was suddenly unusually popular. :-)
Miraculously, I never wrecked our '52 Pontiac, per se, but I did
manage to collect tickets in Germany and Italy, and drove the Pontiac
through the top of a storm-downed tree in the middle of the night
between Barcelona and Madrid. The alternative was to head-on a couple
on a motorcycle.
Ken H.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
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> Thanks for the Google compressed link, Ken.
>
> It translated to something not quite identical to
> the original as I received it:
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> (http://www.rmirror.net/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/)
>
> Here's how I originally received it:
>
> (www.rmirror.net:80/r/videos/comments/q5hu9/car_accident_nsfl/)
>
> Notice the ":80" that somehow was added to the correct URL.
>
> I witnessed something similar back around 1970 in Germany.
> I was driving my 1964 1/2 Mustang south from Frankfurt on
> the autobahn after a very wet overnight snowstorm.
>...
> By the way, I took my driver license test on glare ice in
> a 1950 Olds 98 back in 1954 in the western NY snow belt
> Chautauqua County! I got LOTS of practice driving in snow
> and ice. I get a surprising amount of practice here in OK!
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard [message #163031 is a reply to message #162914] |
Thu, 15 March 2012 06:11 |
jhbridges
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Second link worked for me. That'll spoil your whole afternoon.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Ice Hazard
Still works for me, but let's try a Google compressed link:
http://goo.gl/RBsJS
Ken H.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:10 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald wrote:
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> Link wouldn't work for me, Ken.
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