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Mon, 12 March 2012 15:26  |
JohnL455
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Got out my Craftsman Professional gas powerwasher. This is a replacement from the first one last year. First one B&S engine ran lean and hunted unless you ran with the choke on part way. Non adjustable carb. Fresh gas and this one fired right up and runs good. But... Pump bypass valve is stuck so when you don't depress the trigger it loads down the engine. Tryed cycling the wand several times. Disconnected hoses and sprayed silicone the pump. Same problem. Before today, unit had 20 Mins run time since new and was stored in my heated basement over winter. Made in P.R.C. on the pressure pump. Junk. Tryed to by a USA B & S powered unit, not Honda or other, and now the Chin Pump got me...
John Lebetski
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| Re: Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162817 is a reply to message #162766] |
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Never going to happen. If you think about it, my USA made, MPPT charge controller cost $420. Made in CA. However upon opening it the biggest relay, made in china. But still cost $420.
32" flat panel tv, $299.99 best buy. If it was made in the USA it would prob sell for $1000.00
Its a global economy. USA products are often assembled in the USA with some crazy price tag, while the parts are made in other places. Japanese cars are made in the USA, while USA cars are made out of Japanese parts. People keep blaming China for their woes. Few would want to pay 10x more cause a part was assembled here. People tell me that bull everyday at work, but if the prices of goods aren't dirt cheap people will pass.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162822 is a reply to message #162817] |
Mon, 12 March 2012 22:36 |
Greg and April
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And with the economy down, fewer people can afford to pass on lower prices.
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Greg H.
I don't just march to the beat of my own drum - I have an entire brass band
to keep me company.
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China
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> Never going to happen. If you think about it, my USA made, MPPT charge
> controller cost $420. Made in CA. However upon opening it the biggest
> relay, made in china. But still cost $420.
> 32" flat panel tv, $299.99 best buy. If it was made in the USA it would
> prob sell for $1000.00
> Its a global economy. USA products are often assembled in the USA with
> some crazy price tag, while the parts are made in other places. Japanese
> cars are made in the USA, while USA cars are made out of Japanese parts.
> People keep blaming China for their woes. Few would want to pay 10x more
> cause a part was assembled here. People tell me that bull everyday at
> work, but if the prices of goods aren't dirt cheap people will pass.
> --
> ***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162864 is a reply to message #162817] |
Tue, 13 March 2012 11:11 |
Jp Benson
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I recall another era when Made in Japan was treated with the same contempt as Made in China is now. But times have changed and Made in Japan is now generally considered high quality. Many products made in China are made to the specifications supplied by the wholesale buyer.
I recently purchased online a Dorman Harmonic Balancer that was stamped Made in China. The price was good and Dorman was a known brand name. Upon installing the balancer it slid easily onto the crankshaft by hand and wobbled slightly when in position. The replacement part was exactly the same so I got a refund minus return shipping costs. The retailers position was that the part was adequate and just needed to be torqued to something like 300 ft-lb for proper operation. I learned a $30 lesson on the return shipping costs.
My knee jerk reaction was to blame poor quality Chinese manufacturing. However after contacting Dorman, they acknowledged that their bore specification was .015 over the factory spec. Give them credit for honesty. They couldn't explain why except that someone had reverse engineered it that way a long time ago. They also argued that enough torque would solve the problem because it was a low RPM application. Even though the instructions in the box (as well as factory spec) clearly specified a press fit.
Practical economics on a personal scale is what drives us to buy Chinese products in the first place. Many Made in USA products can't compete on price. One solution is to lower wages and standard of living in order to compete in a global market. Lower wages were used to help salvage General Motors. Not a pleasant prospect but a very real one.
I don't personally advocate for or against purchasing products made in China. But as Mr. radioactive626 points out it's BS to just blame China when things go wrong. Pride comes before the fall.
PB
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> From: Michael <radioactive626@msn.com>
>To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China
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>Never going to happen. If you think about it, my USA made, MPPT charge controller cost $420. Made in CA. However upon opening it the biggest relay, made in china. But still cost $420.
>32" flat panel tv, $299.99 best buy. If it was made in the USA it would prob sell for $1000.00
>Its a global economy. USA products are often assembled in the USA with some crazy price tag, while the parts are made in other places. Japanese cars are made in the USA, while USA cars are made out of Japanese parts. People keep blaming China for their woes. Few would want to pay 10x more cause a part was assembled here. People tell me that bull everyday at work, but if the prices of goods aren't dirt cheap people will pass.
>--
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| Re: Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162886 is a reply to message #162766] |
Tue, 13 March 2012 18:06 |
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There is a difference in dealing with let's say a metal shop that is in your own zip code and one across the Pacific. It's rare to get things perfect the first time due to factors in calculations on either end in the the grey matter between the ears of several individuals. However going over to your loacl shop to be hands on for fittment and have lunch with the owner is a time saver and feel good. Hard to do with plant in China. So is giving business to you local commmunity so the workers at the shop can dine in the local diner and on and on back to the community. Also--- just my findings they like to change things on the plan that logically they think are wrong and "fix" them for you. Therefore when you make any changes, say on the dimensions of item Y, you have to reproof the thing from A to Z each time, though the only topic at hand is item Y. Then the signed off proto and the actual tend to have mysterious changes as THEY outsource to an even cheaper country. I don't want to ever get the flatscreen TV biz back to the USA, nor computers, All our CRT plants have closed and they have the tech down for this overseas. I just want hard parts and such to still be made here. Brighton-Best machine screws would be nice if we could still get them made here of USA metal etc. I just wish my Power Washer had a USA made pump! I know the ghost is in the machine----what's left of the machine, and it's a global econ system---but my moto in my signature below is somthing I will always strive for, not achive, but strive for and if I have the choice I'll buy American. I wish more people were not short sighted as an economy that doesn't make anything can't survive and sustain.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162939 is a reply to message #162938] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 00:49 |
James Hupy
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Michael, give it a rest. No one is going to argue with you. It is pointless
to continue a discussion or to seek answers to problems where no solutions
are possible. Please try to understand that this is a GMC related help
line, and this has strayed off topic again. I will try to take my own
advise here and shut up.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:
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> Maybe US CEOs should start running their businesses like a small business
> and not a empire. Small business when their is no profit, the owner makes
> nothing. The owner doesn't fire the staff and get a pay increase. Over
> compensating yourself, and overcharging customers should be supported? You
> have people who will say "Buy USA" and support the companies that are
> burning you on way over priced goods. The day I will pay massive prices for
> items made in the USA with parts made else where give me a break. If a item
> is made better out of the USA I'll buy it. If a part is made better in the
> USA and priced correctly I'll buy it.
> I buy what I want to buy. As a child I had to get the things my parents
> approved of because I was a child. As a adult I buy what I choose, not what
> my peers tell me is acceptable. I think for myself. Its a global market,
> its not going anyplace like it or not.
>
> PS: I was just offered $300.00 (it was only $499 new) the first offer I
> received, for my used chinese made Ipad 2. Can't wait till friday when the
> new Ipad comes in :)
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| Re: Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162940 is a reply to message #162766] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 00:55 |
RadioActiveGMC
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9 out of 10 posts have responses that have non gmc strayed off info! People say its a part of the forum thats enjoyable to them. I'm just adding to the enjoyment. But I respect you a lot and your a forum member that adds to knowledge of the gmc world. I value that.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162950 is a reply to message #162938] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 07:33 |
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Is there a GMC in here some where ?
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On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:40 PM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:
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> Maybe US CEOs should start running their businesses like a small business and not a empire. Small business when their is no profit, the owner makes nothing. The owner doesn't fire the staff and get a pay increase. Over compensating yourself, and overcharging customers should be supported? You have people who will say "Buy USA" and support the companies that are burning you on way over priced goods. The day I will pay massive prices for items made in the USA with parts made else where give me a break. If a item is made better out of the USA I'll buy it. If a part is made better in the USA and priced correctly I'll buy it.
> I buy what I want to buy. As a child I had to get the things my parents approved of because I was a child. As a adult I buy what I choose, not what my peers tell me is acceptable. I think for myself. Its a global market, its not going anyplace like it or not.
>
> PS: I was just offered $300.00 (it was only $499 new) the first offer I received, for my used chinese made Ipad 2. Can't wait till friday when the new Ipad comes in :)
> --
> ***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162968 is a reply to message #162766] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 10:22 |
RadioActiveGMC
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If I rebuild a motor your post was great to know about! I'm kidding, not about your post but if I could ever rebuild a motor that would be the joke.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #162981 is a reply to message #162864] |
Wed, 14 March 2012 13:41 |
Greg and April
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The lower wages issue, is something that Unions just do not want to allow,
going on strike to prevent and then they wonder why companies move
production over sea's.
Please do not get me wrong, Unions have their place, but their are time when
they appear more than willing to cut their nose of to spite their face, all
for the sake of an ever higher wage and other benefits, often for those that
do not deserve them.
Greg H.
I don't just march to the beat of my own drum - I have an entire brass band
to keep me company.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jp Benson" <chocomo99@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:11
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China
I recall another era when Made in Japan was treated with the same contempt
as Made in China is now. But times have changed and Made in Japan is now
generally considered high quality. Many products made in China are made to
the specifications supplied by the wholesale buyer.
I recently purchased online a Dorman Harmonic Balancer that was stamped Made
in China. The price was good and Dorman was a known brand name. Upon
installing the balancer it slid easily onto the crankshaft by hand and
wobbled slightly when in position. The replacement part was exactly the same
so I got a refund minus return shipping costs. The retailers position was
that the part was adequate and just needed to be torqued to something like
300 ft-lb for proper operation. I learned a $30 lesson on the return
shipping costs.
My knee jerk reaction was to blame poor quality Chinese manufacturing.
However after contacting Dorman, they acknowledged that their bore
specification was .015 over the factory spec. Give them credit for honesty.
They couldn't explain why except that someone had reverse engineered it that
way a long time ago. They also argued that enough torque would solve the
problem because it was a low RPM application. Even though the instructions
in the box (as well as factory spec) clearly specified a press fit.
Practical economics on a personal scale is what drives us to buy Chinese
products in the first place. Many Made in USA products can't compete on
price. One solution is to lower wages and standard of living in order to
compete in a global market. Lower wages were used to help salvage General
Motors. Not a pleasant prospect but a very real one.
I don't personally advocate for or against purchasing products made in
China. But as Mr. radioactive626 points out it's BS to just blame China when
things go wrong. Pride comes before the fall.
PB
>________________________________
> From: Michael <radioactive626@msn.com>
>To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China
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>Never going to happen. If you think about it, my USA made, MPPT charge
>controller cost $420. Made in CA. However upon opening it the biggest
>relay, made in china. But still cost $420.
>32" flat panel tv, $299.99 best buy. If it was made in the USA it would
>prob sell for $1000.00
>Its a global economy. USA products are often assembled in the USA with some
>crazy price tag, while the parts are made in other places. Japanese cars
>are made in the USA, while USA cars are made out of Japanese parts. People
>keep blaming China for their woes. Few would want to pay 10x more cause a
>part was assembled here. People tell me that bull everyday at work, but if
>the prices of goods aren't dirt cheap people will pass.
>--
>***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
>Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #163034 is a reply to message #162975] |
Thu, 15 March 2012 06:53 |
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A Hammnond, IN classmate's Dad told is in 1962, "If you boys rebuild that wagon (53 Dodge with a Hemi in) you can take it back to collge nest fall". The Maunaul was comprehensive enough, step one for engine repair was 'open the hood'. So we neophytes did so. Took it apart - it had a wiped rod bearing - and took all the parts to the biggest advertiser on the radio. Consequently, a very nice gent at Mr Norm's Grand Spaulding Dodge gave us a two hour education on what we were doing while he wrote up the service ticket for the machine shop and assembled the parts order. We went back to collge that fall with arustbucket '53 wagon that was something of a screamer. All those Chicagfo winters plus three more years of Baltimore salt completely did for the old ride... but the engine was still smooth when it was sold. I wish I remembered the gent's name. He ke[pt two inexperienced fools on the right path.
--johnny
'76 transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Jp Benson <chocomo99@yahoo.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China
I have rebuilt a couple of small block chevy motors and not had any failures. The valuable lesson that I learned was to find someone who is experienced and does quality work. Then pay what they ask without complaining. It's too big of a job and too much risk for the novice. I was just shagging parts for my builder when I encountered the bad part.
PB
>________________________________
> From: Michael <radioactive626@msn.com>
>To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China
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>If I rebuild a motor your post was great to know about! I'm kidding, not about your post but if I could ever rebuild a motor that would be the joke.
>--
>***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
>Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Sure glad TZEs were not made in China [message #163189 is a reply to message #162981] |
Fri, 16 March 2012 14:28 |
Larry C
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The lower wages issue, is something that Unions just do not want to allow, going on strike to prevent and then they wonder why companies move production over sea's.
The unions, and other concerns, have forced wages beyond a comparable margin. The only way to make the crap CHINESE stuff comparable is to charge a tax on incoming junk. Won't happen.
I have always been on the soap box for American goods, keeping the planet green, but no one listens. Its too easy to use plastic for your trash and pitch it.
American goods cost too much for labor, so the Chinese get it for production.
I heard on the Yahoo news, that GE is moving to CHINA, investing BILLIONS and is going to build 12 technical developments. Nothing here in the states. They must have read the ad because they have splats on the tv now talking about how they are (NOW) making products in the US. If the blog was right, it will mostly be in China. OBAMA did say that if they want to move to another country, business should not have any perks...or tax incentives... now do you really think that can happen????
The GMC tie is in the parts. It is getting harder to find parts made in the USA. Lots of CHINESE made parts, lesser quality but I notice cost is going up. Must be the value of the US BUCk dropping?? I look for the USA made article. But sometimes the part is not made anymore or it is priced out of site.. Costs will determine where things are made and who buys them..
Even GM buys foreign parts for the cars, they USA built cars... 
I'm out......
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