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Mon, 30 January 2012 09:37  |
Gerald Work
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Hi Dwayne,
The gas station Attendant yelled because in Oregon you cannot pump your own fuel, a sub 100 IQ person has to do that for you. The station owner gets fined if they allow owners to do it themselves. That is how one creates "private sector jobs" in the People's Republic of Oregon......
Jerry
Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR
Http://jerrywork.com
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:18:29 -0800
From: Dwayne Jacobson <dwayne@havenproperties.ca>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling
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THe same goes for Oregon State. I got out one time and started to fill.
The guy comes flying over yelling a bunch of things. He was mad, real mad.
He
said if he caught me trying that again he would phone the cops.
Dwayne J
White Rock
77 Eleganza II
77 Kingsley
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158581 is a reply to message #158579] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 12:35  |
Ken Burton
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| Sammy Williams wrote on Mon, 30 January 2012 12:11 |
This is much adoo about 'nothin. The nice lady on the line (the number
on the pump) informed me
its "Commercial Vehicles only-licensed as such."
Us GMCers (and sobs) have nothing to fear.
Nothing to see here... move along. (Officer Barbrady) lol
S. Williams
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Did the nice lady on the line explain the purpose of the law and where commercial vehicles are suppose to buy gasoline?
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158582 is a reply to message #158578] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 12:43 |
Dwayne
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I really am not against someone pumping my gas, like service stations used
to do when I was a kid, they even checked the Oil and washed the windshield
and possibly the rear window. However that has changed with the
"Self-Serve" in the majority of gas stations.
I have a station close to home that I go to for the car fill up. The guy
usually does it but never once has he attempted to clean the windshield.
At first I would give him a 5 buck tip - (much to his surprise) and I
thought maybe it would twig something in him to go the extra mile, Nada!!!
Service stations they were called in the past. Rare to find a good one
these days, "Service" that is. I realize these guys or gals are making
possibly minimum wage - much like restaurant servers, however if they had a
smile, welcomed you, cleaned the windshield, etc, they would probably
increase the earnings substantially. Checking the Oil would help, but this
became a scam for many "Service Stations" .
I guess the windshield washing is left up to the guys and gals who stand on
the street corners earning enough to feed their dog.
Dwayne J
White Rock, BC
77 Kingsley (OK- I will climb up on the bumper and do my own)
69 Avanti - (Hands off from others - I will do it myself)
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158597 is a reply to message #158595] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 14:24 |
tphipps
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New Jersey they also pump your gas. Pretty nice last time I was there. Outside temp was about 20, and I did not have to stand in the cold. Also interesting item, The gas prices on the Jersey Turnpike is allowed to be changed only once a week. Long lines when the rumor of a gas price increase is coming.
Tom Phipps,
MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158614 is a reply to message #158583] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 17:04 |
Bob de Kruyff
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| Sammy Williams wrote on Mon, 30 January 2012 11:42 |
Yes. (quoted) The people with commercial vehicles know where they are
supposed to purchase fuel. Since I am a
"civilian" I would assume a truck stop provides the fuel they need to
buy to comply with that law.
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Sammy--some of the guys want to fret and worry about this issue--I think we should let thm heal their own way.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158656 is a reply to message #158582] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 22:00 |
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Collect stamps? TV or S&H. Want the glass or the plate?
The last glasses I got at a service station were in 1969 at a Standard
station in St. Matthews, KY.
None seen since then.
Byron
Dwayne Jacobson wrote:
> I really am not against someone pumping my gas, like service stations used
> to do when I was a kid, they even checked the Oil and washed the windshield
> and possibly the rear window. However that has changed with the
> "Self-Serve" in the majority of gas stations.
> I have a station close to home that I go to for the car fill up. The guy
> usually does it but never once has he attempted to clean the windshield.
> At first I would give him a 5 buck tip - (much to his surprise) and I
> thought maybe it would twig something in him to go the extra mile, Nada!!!
> Service stations they were called in the past. Rare to find a good one
> these days, "Service" that is. I realize these guys or gals are making
> possibly minimum wage - much like restaurant servers, however if they had a
> smile, welcomed you, cleaned the windshield, etc, they would probably
> increase the earnings substantially. Checking the Oil would help, but this
> became a scam for many "Service Stations" .
>
> I guess the windshield washing is left up to the guys and gals who stand on
> the street corners earning enough to feed their dog.
>
> Dwayne J
> White Rock, BC
> 77 Kingsley (OK- I will climb up on the bumper and do my own)
> 69 Avanti - (Hands off from others - I will do it myself)
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com>wrote:
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158679 is a reply to message #158582] |
Tue, 31 January 2012 06:27 |
jhbridges
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When I was a kid working in a gas station, I got minimum wage and dam' glad of it. The advent of the automatic shutoff nozzle was responsible for self serve, as much as anything else. We always asked "Fill 'er up?' and put whatever the driver said. Windows front and rear, and check the oil. Inside hood latches pronbably slowed oil checking, along with engines which used less oil. About one week a month we'd also check air filter elements, and show the customer the dirty ones. Wwe sold maybe one in three that needed it. I absolutely HATED flat truck tires and washing cars. Part of the job however.
The highway patrol contract rotated among companies (We were a Pure station), and when they came in, the troop would always specify a wierd amount of premium. Reason - the State only contracted regular, and the cop had worked out the amount of premium that price would buy him - we marked the tickets as regular. TheGood Stuff (100 Octane, full of tetraethyl lead) was about 31.9 cants a gallon on average.
My GMC would run out from under me on that stuff.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Dwayne Jacobson <dwayne@havenproperties.ca>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs
I really am not against someone pumping my gas, like service stations used
to do when I was a kid, they even checked the Oil and washed the windshield
and possibly the rear window. However that has changed with the
"Self-Serve" in the majority of gas stations.
I have a station close to home that I go to for the car fill up. The guy
usually does it but never once has he attempted to clean the windshield.
At first I would give him a 5 buck tip - (much to his surprise) and I
thought maybe it would twig something in him to go the extra mile, Nada!!!
Service stations they were called in the past. Rare to find a good one
these days, "Service" that is. I realize these guys or gals are making
possibly minimum wage - much like restaurant servers, however if they had a
smile, welcomed you, cleaned the windshield, etc, they would probably
increase the earnings substantially. Checking the Oil would help, but this
became a scam for many "Service Stations" .
I guess the windshield washing is left up to the guys and gals who stand on
the street corners earning enough to feed their dog.
Dwayne J
White Rock, BC
77 Kingsley (OK- I will climb up on the bumper and do my own)
69 Avanti - (Hands off from others - I will do it myself)
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I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158698 is a reply to message #158582] |
Tue, 31 January 2012 09:12 |
gmcrv1
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Back in the day when I worked for $1.25 an hour pumping gas - like many
other kids in school, we cleaned windshields, checked batteries and engine
oil. All for $2.00 worth of 101 octane - about 5 gallons.
Some kids would check the oil and when they returned the stick to measure
would put two fingers below the stop collar and then show the dip stick to
the driver (usually women) and tell them it was a quart low. Not bad
enough and almost without fail the woman would say put in a quart of the
best you have. A minute later the attendant would return with a can of
Quaker State Deluxe and fiddle with the all in one puncturing pouring
funnel and " add a quart."
The entire scam was pulled off by using an empty oil can that looked new.
And the attendant just cleared $.75. No added oil.
I saw it at the mega stations all the time, my uncle would have killed me
if I did that - I think!
Only in New Jersey
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Dwayne Jacobson <dwayne@havenproperties.ca
> wrote:
> I really am not against someone pumping my gas, like service stations used
> to do when I was a kid, they even checked the Oil and washed the windshield
> and possibly the rear window. However that has changed with the
> "Self-Serve" in the majority of gas stations.
> I have a station close to home that I go to for the car fill up. The guy
> usually does it but never once has he attempted to clean the windshield.
> At first I would give him a 5 buck tip - (much to his surprise) and I
> thought maybe it would twig something in him to go the extra mile, Nada!!!
> Service stations they were called in the past. Rare to find a good one
> these days, "Service" that is. I realize these guys or gals are making
> possibly minimum wage - much like restaurant servers, however if they had a
> smile, welcomed you, cleaned the windshield, etc, they would probably
> increase the earnings substantially. Checking the Oil would help, but this
> became a scam for many "Service Stations" .
>
> I guess the windshield washing is left up to the guys and gals who stand on
> the street corners earning enough to feed their dog.
>
> Dwayne J
> White Rock, BC
> 77 Kingsley (OK- I will climb up on the bumper and do my own)
> 69 Avanti - (Hands off from others - I will do it myself)
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> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com
> >wrote:
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158717 is a reply to message #158702] |
Tue, 31 January 2012 10:57 |
Douglas Norton
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Just when you thought this thread had been stretched, beat, hijacked,
and discussed to death, I offer another irrelevant addition to this cavalcade
of contributions continuing this compulsive cacophony of fuel sticker commentaries.
Are those stickers in Arizona
on diesel pumps only or all pumps? Who ever pasted the stickers on gas
pumps appears not to know the applicable law. The sticker apparently only
applies to diesel according to the AZ motor vehicle website. The diesel fuel tax is higher on 3 axle or
heavy vehicles. It looks like the law and stickers "might" be applied
legitimately to owners with diesel conversions. But wait! that is not
all! Even if it is applied to gas powered coaches, we have a "work around" solution on our dash to make all our coaches exempt.
I researched and learned a lot. By that I mean enough to be dangerous.
First, the AZ revised statutes contain no direct definition for axle.
[The California
code did. Per California code, I have
three axles on my coach - bridge tolls for three axles do apply to our coaches
in California
unless you remove one set of wheels to enter the toll plaza (doable with a quad
bag setup).]
However, the definition of an axle in Arizona, while not stated, can be deduced
by applying reverse and somewhat convoluted logic to provisions of the
Arizona law: Section 28-1100 states, "... gross weight applied on the
highway by the wheels of any one axle equals the total load transmitted to the
road by all wheels whose centers are included between two parallel transverse
vertical planes forty inches apart, extending across the full with of the
vehicle." Thus, if a set of wheels appear to be in tandem but less than forty
inches apart, they are "one axle" for weight purposes. Further,
in 28-1100: "...."tandem axles" means two or more
consecutive axles that are more than forty inches but not more than ninety-six
inches apart." Now it gets
interesting: our coaches do not have tandem axles when we lower or raise the
ride height such that the wheels are at or less than 40 inches apart center to
center. Mine measured about a quarter inch more than 40 inches only when the
spindles were parallel to the bogie pins. With the ride height up or down, the
wheels move about an inch or more closer together as the bogies swing the axles
closer together. As soon as the coach is lowered or raised, it is
converted from a three axle coach to a two axle coach in Arizona.
Coaches with diesel conversions will be legal if they raise or drop their
coaches a few inches before fueling up at an Arizona pump. Even is the sticker is used against gas powered coaches, all our coaches are somewhat
immune as we have no visible axles and Arizona
law has no definition for an axle, but the coach's rear four wheels magically may be on only on one axle according to section 28 of Arizona code.
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armandminnie wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 17:31
> If AZ DOT people are like the toll takers on bridges it is apparently
against the law in Arizona
to refuel a classic GMC motorhome using a regular gas pump. Stickers on
every gas pump I have seen in Arizona
say that vehicles must have less than 3 axles to use them. Here is a link
to a photo of the sticker. I have looked at the quoted regulation and GMCs are
not excepted.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42550&cat=5557
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158736 is a reply to message #158698] |
Tue, 31 January 2012 13:52 |
Ken Burton
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| gmcrv1 wrote on Tue, 31 January 2012 09:12 |
Back in the day when I worked for $1.25 an hour pumping gas - like many
other kids in school, we cleaned windshields, checked batteries and engine
oil. All for $2.00 worth of 101 octane - about 5 gallons.
Some kids would check the oil and when they returned the stick to measure
would put two fingers below the stop collar and then show the dip stick to
the driver (usually women) and tell them it was a quart low. Not bad
enough and almost without fail the woman would say put in a quart of the
best you have. A minute later the attendant would return with a can of
Quaker State Deluxe and fiddle with the all in one puncturing pouring
funnel and " add a quart."
The entire scam was pulled off by using an empty oil can that looked new.
And the attendant just cleared $.75. No added oil.
I saw it at the mega stations all the time, my uncle would have killed me
if I did that - I think!
Only in New Jersey
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
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When I worked in a gas station one day a woman came in and said "fill it up". I checked the oil and there was absolutely none on the stick. I showed her and she refused to let me put any in. She said "my husband always takes care of the oil". I think she did not like a 16 or 17 year old telling her what to do. I offered to let her use the phone to call her husband. She refused and drove off. A couple of days later her husband showed up madder than hell. It seems she drove it that way until the engine froze up. Sometimes you just can not fix stupid.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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