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| Re: gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158490 is a reply to message #158482] |
Sun, 29 January 2012 19:59   |
Carl S.
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| armandminnie wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 18:31 |
If AZ DOT people are like the toll takers on bridges it is apparently against the law in Arizona to refuel a classic GMC motorhome using a regular gas pump. Stickers on every gas pump I have seen in Arizona say that vehicles must have less than 3 axles to use them. Here is a link to a photo of the sticker. I have looked at the quoted regulation and GMCs are not excepted.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42550&cat=5557
Do gas pumps in other states say the same thing or is it only Arizona?
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Armand,
I noticed that when I last filled up my coach at Safeway. I gassed it up anyway, and got away with it!
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158492 is a reply to message #158482] |
Sun, 29 January 2012 20:07 |
Ken Burton
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It sounds like something I would expect in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, not Arizona.
Have you checked any truck stops like the RV island at Flying J or the truck side of a Pilot for the stickers?
I wonder what is behind that.
Don't read the sticker and go ahead and buy your gasoline. I'm sure if they enforced it we would have heard something by now.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158501 is a reply to message #158482] |
Sun, 29 January 2012 21:13 |
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The wording on the sticker is ambivalent.
Fuel can only go in vehicles with less than three axles AND less than 26,001
pounds (or exempt by law).
Then, don't dispense fuel from the pump into vehicle types of 3 or more
axles AND/OR declared GVW of more than 26,000.
I seems this is a terse restatement of a law. The full law probably goes
into more detail. The first statement is contradicted in the second by
having the AND/OR wording. I'm sure some attorney at law that works for the
great state of Arizona could explain it to someone's satisfaction.
At any rate, state that your GMC is owned by a non-profit and you're home
free. Aren't most of us non-profit individuals? I realize this doesn't apply
to Romney but I doubt that he owns a GMC motorhome. Nor Newt Gingrich, for
that matter.
ARS 28-5432 does spell out the vehicles and mentions commercial vehicles of
those designed to transport passengers of property in the furtherance of a
commercial enterprise. This would imply that Dan can't sell LEDs while in
Arizona and fill up at a typical gas station.
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Armand Minnie wrote:
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> If AZ DOT people are like the toll takers on bridges it is apparently against
> the law in Arizona to refuel a classic GMC motorhome using a regular gas pump.
> Stickers on every gas pump I have seen in Arizona say that vehicles must have
> less than 3 axles to use them. Here is a link to a photo of the sticker. I
> have looked at the quoted regulation and GMCs are not excepted.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42550&cat=5557
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> Do gas pumps in other states say the same thing or is it only Arizona?
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158507 is a reply to message #158504] |
Sun, 29 January 2012 22:04 |
Harry
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Read the very last line.
Therefore, cars could have four axles.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For other uses, see Axle (disambiguation).
Not to be confused with Axl (disambiguation) or Axel (disambiguation).
Train wheels are affixed to a straight axle, such that both wheels rotate in unison. This is called a wheelset.An axle is a central shaft for a rotating wheel or gear. On wheeled vehicles, the axle may be fixed to the wheels, rotating with them, or fixed to its surroundings, with the wheels rotating around the axle. In the former case, bearings or bushings are provided at the mounting points where the axle is supported. In the latter case, a bearing or bushing sits inside the hole in the wheel to allow the wheel or gear to rotate around the axle. Sometimes, especially on bicycles, the latter type is referred to as a spindle.
On cars and trucks, several senses of the word "axle" co-occur in casual usage, referring to the shaft itself, its housing, or simply any transverse pair of wheels. The shaft itself rotates with the wheel, being either bolted or splined in fixed relation to it, and is called an "axle" or "axle shaft". However, it is equally true that the housing around it (typically a casting) is also called an "axle" (or "axle housing"). An even broader (somewhat figurative) sense of the word refers to every transverse pair of wheels, whether they are connected to each other or not. Thus even transverse pairs of wheels in an independent suspension are usually called "an axle".
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| Re: gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158509 is a reply to message #158482] |
Sun, 29 January 2012 22:41 |
armandminnie
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I think that the gas pump stickers are to prevent large commercial vehicles from refueling using passenger car gasoline and they probably wouldn't enforce it on GMCs but you never know. If someone did turn a GMC in for violating it, it would be cheaper to pay the $1000 than to hire a lawyer to argue with the government. The law, best I can tell, does not specifically say 'commercial' vehicles and I can't even find the reference to the number of axles in the text.
I am really curious if other states have similar stickers and accidentally include GMCs as Arizona apparently has.
Please look at your gas pump stickers next time you fill up and see what they say - especially California.
Armand Minnie
Marana, AZ
'76 Eleganza II TZE166V103202
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| goal? [message #158511 is a reply to message #158482] |
Sun, 29 January 2012 22:56 |
bukzin
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| armandminnie wrote on Sun, 29 January 2012 17:31 |
If AZ DOT people are like the toll takers on bridges it is apparently against the law in Arizona to refuel a classic GMC motorhome using a regular gas pump. Stickers on every gas pump I have seen in Arizona say that vehicles must have less than 3 axles to use them. Here is a link to a photo of the sticker. I have looked at the quoted regulation and GMCs are not excepted.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42550&cat=5557
Do gas pumps in other states say the same thing or is it only Arizona?
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What do you suppose the goal is for this regulation ?
Do large truck use a different type of gasoline?
Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158523 is a reply to message #158482] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 01:22 |
Douglas Norton
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In the unlikely event I was confronted, I would tell an officer that I checked and saw no axles under my GMC and that most cars I have checked only have one axle that goes across the back of the vehicle. Most commercial big vehicles have three or more axles that are readily visible. However, if they claim my spindles are axles, (and definitions I checked suggest each spindle is an axle), Most cars have two spindles on the front so they have 3 or four axles. By some interpretations, only motorcycles would not be subject to the 3 axle provision. It appears to me the law was not intended for cars with 3 or four spindles, so it should not apply to vehicles 3 spindle axles but to large commercial vehicles. The law could not be fairly applied unless the intent was for vehicles 3 or more axles that extend across the vehicle. Perhaps a careful reasing of the law or applicable regulations would be helpful - or painful.
Please do not tell the bay area toll guys I have 6 spindles so I should be charged for six axles.
From: Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:31 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs
If AZ DOT people are like the toll takers on bridges it is apparently against the law in Arizona to refuel a classic GMC motorhome using a regular gas pump. Stickers on every gas pump I have seen in Arizona say that vehicles must have less than 3 axles to use them. Here is a link to a photo of the sticker. I have looked at the quoted regulation and GMCs are not excepted.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42550&cat=5557
Do gas pumps in other states say the same thing or is it only Arizona?
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Marana, AZ
'76 Eleganza II
TZE166V103202
http://www.minniebiz.com/gmcmotorhome
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| Re: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs [message #158533 is a reply to message #158523] |
Mon, 30 January 2012 04:35 |
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this is when the fog gun comes back in handy, just shoot them with it. drive off in the fog.
ca. has a 10,000 pound weight registration fee that will give you a need for aspirin fast.
This seems to be a way to tax commercial vehicles at the pump for it and not in the dmv line. maybe
On Jan 29, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Douglas Norton wrote:
> In the unlikely event I was confronted, I would tell an officer that I checked and saw no axles under my GMC and that most cars I have checked only have one axle that goes across the back of the vehicle. Most commercial big vehicles have three or more axles that are readily visible. However, if they claim my spindles are axles, (and definitions I checked suggest each spindle is an axle), Most cars have two spindles on the front so they have 3 or four axles. By some interpretations, only motorcycles would not be subject to the 3 axle provision. It appears to me the law was not intended for cars with 3 or four spindles, so it should not apply to vehicles 3 spindle axles but to large commercial vehicles. The law could not be fairly applied unless the intent was for vehicles 3 or more axles that extend across the vehicle. Perhaps a careful reasing of the law or applicable regulations would be helpful - or painful.
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> Please do not tell the bay area toll guys I have 6 spindles so I should be charged for six axles.
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> From: Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com>
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:31 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] gas pump stickers in Arizona say no refueling GMCs
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> If AZ DOT people are like the toll takers on bridges it is apparently against the law in Arizona to refuel a classic GMC motorhome using a regular gas pump. Stickers on every gas pump I have seen in Arizona say that vehicles must have less than 3 axles to use them. Here is a link to a photo of the sticker. I have looked at the quoted regulation and GMCs are not excepted.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42550&cat=5557
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> Do gas pumps in other states say the same thing or is it only Arizona?
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> TZE166V103202
> http://www.minniebiz.com/gmcmotorhome
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