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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157911 is a reply to message #157896] |
Tue, 24 January 2012 21:05   |
GeorgeRud
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Didn't Leigh Harrison have a serpentine belt kit available? I didn't think it worked out that well if I remember correctly (not always the case).
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157917 is a reply to message #157911] |
Tue, 24 January 2012 21:56 |
Ken Henderson
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Leigh does offer a serpentine system. On my 455 I ran a similar system not
provided by him. SOME of Leigh's customers had cooling problems because
the water pump, because of insurmountable configuration problems, runs
backward. Leigh was finally forced to design a pump to run backward. I
was one of the guinea pigs for that pump and suffered some of the usual R&D
problems it had. I finally bowed out of the program when I replaced the
455 with a Cad500 -- I never tested the final version of his pump -- it's
hanging on my storeroom wall. After a very significant investment in the
new pump, Leigh told me just a couple of weeks ago that he found a reverse
flow pump in volume production and is now delivering that version.
Incidentally, I never had any overheating problems while running the OEM
style pump backward -- and I ran across the US with it, towing 3500+#. I'd
still be running that serpentine system if I still ran the 455.
But Leigh's kit is priced similarly to March's. It DOES drive the A/C
compressor though.
Has anyone noticed that the March system uses two belts and no tensioners
(as does my Cad500 system)? That's how they avoid the reverse flow water
pump problem. I'm still convinced that a 2-belt system can be devised to
drive all the needed accessories without the fancy & expensive March
brackets.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:05 PM, George Rudawsky wrote:
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> Didn't Leigh Harrison have a serpentine belt kit available? I didn't
> think it worked out that well if I remember correctly (not always the case).
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157935 is a reply to message #157926] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 05:54 |
Jim Bounds
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Mainly for the lurkers out there looking to the GMCnet to learn more about their coach, I must tell you either serpantine belt system available for the 455 is not something someone wanting to actually drive their GMC should consider. Now that's my opinion and we all can have their own but I say this from following people around the country trying to deal with these systems.
First, I installed a march Performance system, after doing it I thought , "Why is this set up so good?" It does not use an idler pulley which I thought having a tensioner pulley to keep the system adjusted would have been the reason to do it. Then there is the theory that one large belt takes less hp to do, hey but it has 2! If you wanna do it to be cool, you will need a clear engine cover so you can show off your bling! After installing one of those systems, it only makes sense if you wanna show it off, it has no real advantage for the GMC.
Then there is the other system and while it has a tensioner pulley, it's on the drive side of the belt. That's like putting the derailer and tensioner pulley assembly on a derailer bike on the top of the gears! Each time you pedal hard, you would max out the tension on the derailer. The tensioner pulley in a system like this needs to be on the return side of the belt, in other words between the pulley on the crank and the dash AC compressor which is not where it is. Add to that you either turn an original water pump backwards---- really?---- or you have some custom super dooper water pump which you really need to buy 2 or 3 of because if you ever need one on the road good luck finding it. No, I put that system on a customers coach, he had heating problems big time and could only drive at night on his big trip to Alaska. I had him stop in Freemond where Jim K. took the whole thing off and the coach drove on to Alaska and back with 0, nada
heating issues. No, that pile of washers and pulleys does not work if you actually want to go out on the road and use your coach.
I tell you these things from first hand, documented knowledge, not from theory or speculation. If you are going to spend money on something for your GMC, make it for something that is value added, not just to have it. I do not turn drive trains into :morphodites" no one can work on, this will not help you go somewhere and get you home. I look at the original 3 belt pulley system on our motors is you have 3 shots and keeping the water pump turning, if it stops you stop. If your AC compressor, PS pump, Alternator or water pump fails on a single belt serpantine system, you stop. You can drive without an alternator, you can "Armstrong" steer without a PS pump, it's good for you to sweat if your AC compressor goes away but you are hooped if your water pump stops turning. There are 3 belts linking the water pump to the crank and I like it that way. Yea, you need to keep them adjusted, you also need to keep the belt around your waist tight or you
will loose your shorts. Keep all your belts tight and you will be fine!
Investigate modifications, don;t just do one because, it could bite you...
Jim Bounds
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From: David H. Jarvis <jarvis210@shaw.ca>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit
Looking at the picture in the eBay ad, it looks like it uses two belts.
Try to follow the one in the picture.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157938 is a reply to message #157935] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 07:44 |
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Jim, we'll just have to disagree about this one. I ran the serpentine belt
setup put together by Bobby Moore and JR Slaten for over 30,000 miles
without one squeak, squeal, or other problem. That's more than I can say
for the V-belt system I used for the previous 40,000, during which I
replaced every one of the three belts at least twice.
The ONLY problems I had with the serpentine were due to some QC problems
with the first versions of Leigh Harrison's reverse flow pump. I never had
an overheating problem even with the OEM pumps running backward, and I
drove to California & back, as well as all around the SE & midwest in the
middle of summer, uphill & down, always towing. Bobby always maintained
that his temperatures ran cooler with it than before -- certainly, he had
no cooling problems. Why he and I didn't have problems, I don't know.
Some certainly did or Leigh would never have spent all the time, effort,
and money he did on the custom design -- which turned out to be absurdly
expensive to produce & sell.
When I installed the Cad500, I was determined to continue to use a quiet,
trouble free, long-lasting serpentine belt. Because of the arrangement of
the accessories, that turned out to be a pretty simple modification, using
two belts. I would have liked to install tensioners, because they DO
improve the performance. But, as you pointed out, they MUST be on the
slack side of the drive pulley, and I could not arrange that.
I do NOT use the serpentine for show, I use it for practicality, though a
lot of people do want to look at it.
There are several good reasons why EVERY modern automobile uses a
serpentine belt and they're equally applicable to our engines.
JMHO,
Ken H.
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
> Mainly for the lurkers out there looking to the GMCnet to learn more about
> their coach, I must tell you either serpantine belt system available for
> the 455 is not something someone wanting to actually drive their GMC should
> consider. Now that's my opinion and we all can have their own but I say
> this from following people around the country trying to deal with these
> systems.
> ...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157943 is a reply to message #157938] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 08:41 |
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Jim, we'll just have to disagree about this one. I ran the serpentine belt
> setup put together by Bobby Moore and JR Slaten for over 30,000 miles
> without one squeak, squeal, or other problem.
how about the multi -water pumps?
and the ac compressor
and do you think this something for joe-blow to do? ;>)
especially when the OEM belts work great when
http://goo.gl/yalX3
got the right belt if they look like this
http://goo.gl/7TvSU
got the right tension, test like this
http://goo.gl/etZaA
easy to adjust , using these
http://goo.gl/BilwU
No new belts in 15 years
gene
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157949 is a reply to message #157943] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 10:27 |
Ken Henderson
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Gene,
I'm not sure what your brief questions mean but I've addressed each:
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> how about the multi -water pumps?
>
Huh? You mean the ones I swapped on & off several times during the
prototyping? That's what R&D's all about. I never swapped one for any
other reason.
> and the ac compressor
>
Huh? I always ran the A/C compressor, in the original location, with the
serpentine; never a problem.
> and do you think this something for joe-blow to do? ;>)
>
Why not -- I've done it. It's just a matter of getting in and doing it --
learning as necessary along the way. :-)
>
> especially when the OEM belts work great when
>
> http://goo.gl/yalX3
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> got the right belt if they look like this
> http://goo.gl/7TvSU
>
> got the right tension, test like this
> http://goo.gl/etZaA
>
> easy to adjust , using these
> http://goo.gl/BilwU
If they work so great, why all those links??? :-)
>
> No new belts in 15 years
>
You'd better hope you don't need any, 'cause they don't make 'em like they
used to!
Somewhere in this discussion I should have mentioned the reason for the
problem with running the water pump backward. The pump is a centrifugal
one, which takes water in at the center of its impeller and slinging it to
the outside of the impeller housing. Thus, it will pump water regardless
of its direction of rotation. The problem is that the water leaves the tip
of the impeller with a vector in the direction of rotation so that for best
efficiency, the housing needs to channel the water along its way in that
same direction. When run in reverse, the water must make an almost 180*
turn to flow out of the housing. That's obviously inefficient and greatly
reduces the flow from the pump.
The problem can be slightly ameliorated by rounding off the sharpest turns,
those where the round impeller housing opening meets the channels toward
the cylinder heads. I did that on all but one of the OEM-style pumps I
used, but I never measured the benefit.
I should also have mentioned that Manny was one of those who installed, had
trouble with, and eventually removed Harrison's serpentine system. He went
so far in trying to improve water flow as to cut completely through the WP
housing and weld it back up with better flow re-direction. He still was
not satisfied...
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157950 is a reply to message #157943] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 10:31 |
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""No new belts in 15 years
gene
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Gene--I am always interested in people's woe's with the OEM belt setup and assume the problems are due to reasons such as misalignment, wrong belts, incorrect tenioning, worn pullies. The only times I have replaced belts in the 20 years I have had my coach are because I had something else apart and thought I would put a new belt on while I was at it. Serpentine belts are not trouble free either. If you have a 20 year old car with serpentine belts, you will discover that many of the same issues exist.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157954 is a reply to message #157950] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 10:45 |
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True. That's why I just replaced the good serpentine belt on my '91 S-10
for the first time -- just 'cause. :-)
And the 12 yo CRV got one with its new timing belt 'cause it looks like it
would be such a gawd-awful job to replace it myself.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Bob de Kruyff <NEXT2POOL@aol.com> wrote:
> ... The only times I have replaced belts in the 20 years I have had my
> coach are because I had something else apart and thought I would put a new
> belt on while I was at it. Serpentine belts are not trouble free either. If
> you have a 20 year old car with serpentine belts, you will discover that
> many of the same issues exist.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157958 is a reply to message #157896] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 12:18 |
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A somewhat trick question about serpentine belts in "automotive" use.
Does anyone know who held the Patent for serpentine belts for autonotive use ? (Bob deK proably knows for sure)
DAVE KING
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #157960 is a reply to message #157958] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 12:25 |
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| kingd wrote on Wed, 25 January 2012 11:18 |
A somewhat trick question about serpentine belts in "automotive" use.
Does anyone know who held the Patent for serpentine belts for autonotive use ? (Bob deK proably knows for sure)
DAVE KING
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Good question Dave--actually I don't know the answer but if it isn't GM it's probably some obscure guy like Peugeot 
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #158120 is a reply to message #157949] |
Thu, 26 January 2012 17:48 |
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If you will remember, I started out my post by saying "more for the lurkers here than some of you here on the net". What I mean by that is there are many people who simply want a reliable running coach, they do not "play" with their machine. Part of having a "reliable" coach is being able to have mainteneance done on it on the road---- NOT BY THEM but by a loacl mechanic where the coach drops. You cannot push these things and a tow bill will hurt. If you morphodite your motor away from original where "Bubba" at Bubba's auto emporium does not think he can deal with the issues, YOU will be the one fixing it. To you that may be fine but to most people I work with it's not. Something breaks, they want help and someone to help them work on it. Understand please you are a minority in the big picture. To the folks I deal with and probablt a good % reading this, they would prefer to keep the coach in a condition they can get parts and have
someone ID what is there, what is needed and how to fix it.
It's just who you are and what you expect from your coach, you expect to have an object for your frustration, most people are different. Please do not make people feel that to have a reliable, servicable GMC you have to do all of these modifications and please do not elude that turning the water pump is OK, changing well designed systems is a good thing and someone under a shade tree knows more about an engineered piece of equipement than the folks who built it. es, there are improvements over the years but a back yard improvement is not always that.
I say to those of you wondering if doing things like this to your coach are good, in general they are not. A bone stock GMC will give you good service-- remember that when you go to change something,
Jim Bounds
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From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit
Gene,
I'm not sure what your brief questions mean but I've addressed each:
>
> how about the multi -water pumps?
>
Huh? You mean the ones I swapped on & off several times during the
prototyping? That's what R&D's all about. I never swapped one for any
other reason.
> and the ac compressor
>
Huh? I always ran the A/C compressor, in the original location, with the
serpentine; never a problem.
> and do you think this something for joe-blow to do? ;>)
>
Why not -- I've done it. It's just a matter of getting in and doing it --
learning as necessary along the way. :-)
>
> especially when the OEM belts work great when
>
> http://goo.gl/yalX3
>
> got the right belt if they look like this
> http://goo.gl/7TvSU
>
> got the right tension, test like this
> http://goo.gl/etZaA
>
> easy to adjust , using these
> http://goo.gl/BilwU
If they work so great, why all those links??? :-)
>
> No new belts in 15 years
>
You'd better hope you don't need any, 'cause they don't make 'em like they
used to!
Somewhere in this discussion I should have mentioned the reason for the
problem with running the water pump backward. The pump is a centrifugal
one, which takes water in at the center of its impeller and slinging it to
the outside of the impeller housing. Thus, it will pump water regardless
of its direction of rotation. The problem is that the water leaves the tip
of the impeller with a vector in the direction of rotation so that for best
efficiency, the housing needs to channel the water along its way in that
same direction. When run in reverse, the water must make an almost 180*
turn to flow out of the housing. That's obviously inefficient and greatly
reduces the flow from the pump.
The problem can be slightly ameliorated by rounding off the sharpest turns,
those where the round impeller housing opening meets the channels toward
the cylinder heads. I did that on all but one of the OEM-style pumps I
used, but I never measured the benefit.
I should also have mentioned that Manny was one of those who installed, had
trouble with, and eventually removed Harrison's serpentine system. He went
so far in trying to improve water flow as to cut completely through the WP
housing and weld it back up with better flow re-direction. He still was
not satisfied...
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #158139 is a reply to message #158120] |
Thu, 26 January 2012 19:53 |
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I haven't proposed that anyone SHOULD do any modification, merely reported
what I've done and my experiences (Arch's renowned "JWID"). My intention
is to provide information, as honestly as possible, not determine who
should or should not use it -- that's every individual's responsibility.
Many want options and appreciate the opportunity to update, upgrade,
mangle, or destroy their equipment, at their own discretion. And most
appreciate any information that will help them avoid re-inventing the
wheel. Your information is also valuable to them in making their decisions
since it often presents a contrary opinion, perhaps a more conservative one.
As for GMC owners wanting to have a mechanic do all their work, I
personally think that's a mistake. IMHO, anyone who's incapable, unable,
or unwilling learn a lot about their vehicle and to do a significant part
of their own work shouldn't own a GMC unless they also have very great
financial and patience resources. Which is exactly what I told a
prospective owner who called me today.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you will remember, I started out my post by saying "more for the
> lurkers here than some of you here on the net". What I mean by that is
> there are many people who simply want a reliable running coach, they do not
> "play" with their machine. Part of having a "reliable" coach is being able
> to have mainteneance done on it on the road---- NOT BY THEM but by a loacl
> mechanic where the coach drops...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #158181 is a reply to message #158139] |
Fri, 27 January 2012 06:39 |
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It's true most of the time I have contrasting views when I post here, the reason is I usually do not post anything until someone gets sooooo ofbase as to be dangerous to the lurkers out there. Hey, it's a free country and a freeer net here but when folks suggest doing things that I feel those watching, which BTW there are many out there trying to soak up everything GMC that they can, are not getting a full view at some particular issue-- I usually sit on the side and watch myself. I don;t feel the need to be that vocal here-- that is until something like some one promoting something like a serpantine belt system for everyday use. I could start off my post like one previous poster but that's not the way to make a positive point. Ken, you have to face the fact that you are an anigma-- what I mean is not only do you feel the need to get down and dirty with your coach, that in itself the work is a larger part of your journey but that everyone should
look at their GMC investment the way you do and if they do not there is something wrong with them. ken, open your mind a bit on this, there are people out there that while they would not run from grease under the fingernails would rather drive their coach with wife, dog and all the things that make them happy. The coach may be their charriot but it is not their whole reason to own it. They have different priorities and really, you need to recognize and appreciate their way of life with their coach.
The larger % of their folks with a GMC would not even consider, as an example, doing what you did to your dash. It's nice and extremely servicable and the next time you wanna add something you can just do it but do not look down at someone who dicides to do something different than what you did with their dash. This is what I'm talking about, why I am making a comment now about a serpantine belt modification. I speak from first person experiences-- a really good customer/ friend had me build up one of our motors-- this guy lurks but has no desire to follow in anyones footsteps here. He wanted a really reliable motor to take him to his property in Colorado, did not want to carry tools and simply wanted a galactic travel machine to make his life easier and more enjoyable while travelling. He installed the serpantine belt system you messed with that's now hanging on your wall. He left once for Alaska, could not travel during the day-- the engine
temp was too high. He could drive OK at night. I told him to stop by Jim K.'s place where they pulled off the serpantine belt system and with no other mods, he then drove on to Alaska with no troubles. There is no question that the serpantine belt system do not do what was intended. After investigating the system I finally determined there is no way for it to work well unless it was totally redesigned and there is the point-- why reinvent something that works and is reliable? There is a pile of stuff like that flows through this mail box like that and while I could dust off my soap box and give your logic on each of them - hey, why do that, everyone reading this can do things anyway they want so go ahead. Again, I worry about the lurkers holding on to every word printed here-- that's where my friend decided to put that *&^^%$ serpantine belt system on. He and most of the people I'm talking about do not want to "see if they can make it
work". That's stupid for many, not stupid to you but again-- there you are. As for this particular conversation-- yes, you need to keep up with keeping the 3 belts tensioned but hey, that's just simple preventive maintenance and aren;t you supposed to do that anyway? If the 3 belt system is properly maintained and adjusted it works great--- belt can be had most anywhere, if all you do id carry 1 alternator belt, if you sling all the belts off, just put that 1 belt on and you can again travel. That's no reason to toss the entire system and hey, how many motors have that exact same system! Come on Ken, give the simple man a break-- just let them down and not think they have to go out and experiment on some half baked serpantine belt system that everyone including you have said is not right. March Performance serpantine belt system is for a dandy that wants more bling on their motor-- it does not have the main components that make a
serpantine belt system mechanically desirable so what the &^%$ , why do it!
Yea, I'm at odds on most things when I post, someone has to on some of the stuff that flows through this place! Hey, I usually use that big spoon when stirring the pot, sorry but someone has to and I have "been there" on most of this stuff and can speak first person on it.
I have no dog to fight, but I do hear from people all the time asking about fodder they here from the net and actually those are usually the times I feel obligated to say something. Ken, just remember you are shaping many peoples opinion on things you talk about, you have an awesome responsibility so please consider several sides of a subject before you recommend something. It's a wide world out there on the "web" and plces like mailing lists and forums have a very important challenge to give responsible input for those seeking knowledge.
A serpantine belt system for people who don;t want to fiddle with their drive train is not a reliable thing to do. Of course that is my opinion so please take it as such, you do what you want but don't throw away the old parts!
Jim Bounds
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From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit
I haven't proposed that anyone SHOULD do any modification, merely reported
what I've done and my experiences (Arch's renowned "JWID"). My intention
is to provide information, as honestly as possible, not determine who
should or should not use it -- that's every individual's responsibility.
Many want options and appreciate the opportunity to update, upgrade,
mangle, or destroy their equipment, at their own discretion. And most
appreciate any information that will help them avoid re-inventing the
wheel. Your information is also valuable to them in making their decisions
since it often presents a contrary opinion, perhaps a more conservative one.
As for GMC owners wanting to have a mechanic do all their work, I
personally think that's a mistake. IMHO, anyone who's incapable, unable,
or unwilling learn a lot about their vehicle and to do a significant part
of their own work shouldn't own a GMC unless they also have very great
financial and patience resources. Which is exactly what I told a
prospective owner who called me today.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If you will remember, I started out my post by saying "more for the
> lurkers here than some of you here on the net". What I mean by that is
> there are many people who simply want a reliable running coach, they do not
> "play" with their machine. Part of having a "reliable" coach is being able
> to have mainteneance done on it on the road---- NOT BY THEM but by a loacl
> mechanic where the coach drops...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Olds 455 Serpentine Kit [message #158193 is a reply to message #158181] |
Fri, 27 January 2012 10:06 |
Ken Henderson
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Registered: March 2004
Location: Americus, GA
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Jim,
Hmmm...I think what you're trying to say is, "I don't like serpentine
belts." :-)
These will be my last comments on the subject: I agree with you that not
everyone should do any particular modification to their coach. And I defy
you to find where I've ever done other than tell what I've done.
Hopefully, I've also always told the results honestly, good or bad. If
anyone chooses to follow, fine. If not, it's no skin off my nose, and I
couldn't care less.
In fact, that's exactly the way I feel about my electric wiper kits. At
one time you said you'd never send out another coach with PS work done
without having installed my kit -- I guess you haven't done any PS work in
a couple of years, because you haven't ordered a kit. Do I care? No. If
you don't need or want to use them, that's OK -- putting them together is
not something I particularly enjoy anyway; and, the profit hardly justifies
the effort. But if there's a problem with it, I wish you'd share the
information here (so I can correct it, which I might enjoy). Perhaps your
"leave it as they designed it" philosophy now extends to the no longer
available wiper motor also? That may become a real problem since Bill
Telgen no longer wants to work on them.
Everyone deserves to know what options are available to them.
Ken H.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's true most of the time I have contrasting views when I post here, the
> reason is I usually do not post anything until someone gets sooooo ofbase
> as to be dangerous to the lurkers out there...
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