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Mon, 23 January 2012 09:46  |
kelvin
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I need some info on the now iconic "swing up table". Can't for the life
of me remember who has this in their coach (Mr Work?) but I'd like to
borrow the idea.
While visiting Jerry Wheeler this past summer I had a chance to explore
his daughter's 230. The dinette had been deleted and in it's place was
a couch. Got me thinking about all the wasted space under that dinette
that is only used when you sit there. After that it was only a matter
of time before I went that way in my 230.
Started this weekend building the framework and reworking the wall.
Found a few interesting things behind the wall. Some pretty sloppy work
from the factory had an 120V cable almost worn thru against an aluminum
plate, for instance. Also fixed some pretty sketchy work on the 120V
work by the PO. But I digress.
Since I'm removing the dinette table as well, I need to make a new one.
Got some ideas but rather than reinventing the wheel I'd like to see if
I can't springboard off an existing design.
Pic of the project are here. I've gotten a bit further than this but
haven't loaded photos.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5995
Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157735 is a reply to message #157734] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 10:02  |
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Kelvin, I think that you saw Jerry Work's self storing dinette. The top is
a narrowed down version of the Original dinette that is sometimes fitted in
Royales and others. What makes his unique is that when not in use, it
stores vertically against the side of the coach. I know that you must have
seen it at SOOR. I saw it there and at his home in Kerby also. Guy is a
master woodworker, and ain't too bad with metal either. I now have one of
his alignment sets, and it is easier to use than my professional one.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Kelvin Dietz <kelvin@datsuns.com> wrote:
> I need some info on the now iconic "swing up table". Can't for the life
> of me remember who has this in their coach (Mr Work?) but I'd like to
> borrow the idea.
>
> While visiting Jerry Wheeler this past summer I had a chance to explore
> his daughter's 230. The dinette had been deleted and in it's place was
> a couch. Got me thinking about all the wasted space under that dinette
> that is only used when you sit there. After that it was only a matter
> of time before I went that way in my 230.
>
> Started this weekend building the framework and reworking the wall.
> Found a few interesting things behind the wall. Some pretty sloppy work
> from the factory had an 120V cable almost worn thru against an aluminum
> plate, for instance. Also fixed some pretty sketchy work on the 120V
> work by the PO. But I digress.
>
> Since I'm removing the dinette table as well, I need to make a new one.
> Got some ideas but rather than reinventing the wheel I'd like to see if
> I can't springboard off an existing design.
>
> Pic of the project are here. I've gotten a bit further than this but
> haven't loaded photos.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5995
>
> Kelvin
> '73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157738 is a reply to message #157735] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 10:09 |
kelvin
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Yup. That's the one. Only seen it half a dozen times...
Jerry... any pictures of that online? I'll be replicating the mechanism
in metal but am curious how you designed it, if you're willing to share...
Kelvin
On 1/23/2012 8:02 AM, James Hupy wrote:
> Kelvin, I think that you saw Jerry Work's self storing dinette. The top is
> a narrowed down version of the Original dinette that is sometimes fitted in
> Royales and others. What makes his unique is that when not in use, it
> stores vertically against the side of the coach. I know that you must have
> seen it at SOOR. I saw it there and at his home in Kerby also. Guy is a
> master woodworker, and ain't too bad with metal either. I now have one of
> his alignment sets, and it is easier to use than my professional one.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
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> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Kelvin Dietz<kelvin@datsuns.com> wrote:
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>> I need some info on the now iconic "swing up table". Can't for the life
>> of me remember who has this in their coach (Mr Work?) but I'd like to
>> borrow the idea.
>>
>> While visiting Jerry Wheeler this past summer I had a chance to explore
>> his daughter's 230. The dinette had been deleted and in it's place was
>> a couch. Got me thinking about all the wasted space under that dinette
>> that is only used when you sit there. After that it was only a matter
>> of time before I went that way in my 230.
>>
>> Started this weekend building the framework and reworking the wall.
>> Found a few interesting things behind the wall. Some pretty sloppy work
>> from the factory had an 120V cable almost worn thru against an aluminum
>> plate, for instance. Also fixed some pretty sketchy work on the 120V
>> work by the PO. But I digress.
>>
>> Since I'm removing the dinette table as well, I need to make a new one.
>> Got some ideas but rather than reinventing the wheel I'd like to see if
>> I can't springboard off an existing design.
>>
>> Pic of the project are here. I've gotten a bit further than this but
>> haven't loaded photos.
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5995
>>
>> Kelvin
>> '73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157740 is a reply to message #157739] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 10:31 |
kelvin
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Oh dang. Wish I would have known, Gene. I could have whipped another
one out in oh... 4-5 hours, easy.
But what do you suppose the chances are that my 230 would have the same
dimensions as your 230? The floor has a high spot right in the middle
of the frame. Actually had to carve a channel into the plywood to get
the thing to sit flat-ish...
And that's a really small pictures of Jerry's table. Did give me a
reason to believe there is another version out there, though. Any
thoughts on that, gang?
Kelvin
On 1/23/2012 8:23 AM, gene Fisher wrote:
>> Started this weekend building the framework and reworking the wall.
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> did you build 2 ea?
> I am doing that also in my 23
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> here is one pix of the table
> http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/2010/10/ti-tech-topics.html
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> in this set.
>
> so are you going to hang the table on the refer wall?
>
> gene
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>
>> Found a few interesting things behind the wall. Some pretty sloppy work
>> from the factory had an 120V cable almost worn thru against an aluminum
>> plate, for instance. Also fixed some pretty sketchy work on the 120V
>> work by the PO. But I digress.
>>
>> Since I'm removing the dinette table as well, I need to make a new one.
>> Got some ideas but rather than reinventing the wheel I'd like to see if
>> I can't springboard off an existing design.
>>
>> Pic of the project are here. I've gotten a bit further than this but
>> haven't loaded photos.
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5995
>>
>> Kelvin
>> '73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157750 is a reply to message #157734] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 11:10 |
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| Kelvin Dietz wrote on Mon, 23 January 2012 07:46 |
... Since I'm removing the dinette table as well, I need to make a new one.
Got some ideas but rather than reinventing the wheel I'd like to see if I can't springboard off an existing design. ...
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KenH built a nice one that has some storage (forks and stuff) in the table:
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3271>
While harder to build (well beyond what I could do...) I have always liked the couch table with a single curved leg. When not in use the top stores against the bottom front of the couch. The leg does use some room under the couch, but less than other pop-up table designs I have seen.
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3091>
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3020>
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=32446>
I thought that someone was trying to manufacture the single leg table. one but had some kind of an issue with the way the table latched in the up position. If I can get one of these tables, my side-bath Birch will end up with a couch... not a dinette. But I have a few years to wait on the table.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157759 is a reply to message #157734] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 12:56 |
Ken Henderson
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Kelvin,
Your metal sofa base looks almost identical to mine except that I bolted
the vertical legs to the floor without your horizontal floor-level tubes.
That allows me to slide trays in and out on the carpet without fixed
slides.
Here's the hidden table we've used for several years; it suits us very well
and occupies no living area space:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3329
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3271
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Kelvin Dietz wrote:
> I need some info on the now iconic "swing up table". Can't for the life
> of me remember who has this in their coach (Mr Work?) but I'd like to
> borrow the idea.
>
> While visiting Jerry Wheeler this past summer I had a chance to explore
> his daughter's 230. The dinette had been deleted and in it's place was
> a couch. Got me thinking about all the wasted space under that dinette
> that is only used when you sit there. After that it was only a matter
> of time before I went that way in my 230.
>
> Started this weekend building the framework and reworking the wall.
> Found a few interesting things behind the wall. Some pretty sloppy work
> from the factory had an 120V cable almost worn thru against an aluminum
> plate, for instance. Also fixed some pretty sketchy work on the 120V
> work by the PO. But I digress.
>
> Since I'm removing the dinette table as well, I need to make a new one.
> Got some ideas but rather than reinventing the wheel I'd like to see if
> I can't springboard off an existing design.
>
> Pic of the project are here. I've gotten a bit further than this but
> haven't loaded photos.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5995
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157760 is a reply to message #157750] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 13:04 |
Ken Henderson
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Mike,
The curved-leg table that stows against the front of the sofa was the
original inspiration for my "gas powered dining table". When recognized
how difficult it was going to be to duplicate that, I settled on my simpler
design, despite its shortcomings: Probably not as stable; slightly more
difficult to erect and stow; and, may occupy more under-sofa space.
Erv Troyer has one of those tables and knows the inventor. Maybe he can
bring us up to date on it.
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
> ...
> While harder to build (well beyond what I could do...) I have always liked
> the couch table with a single curved leg. When not in use the top stores
> against the bottom front of the couch. The leg does use some room under
> the couch, but less than other pop-up table designs I have seen.
>
> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3091>
> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3020>
> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=32446>
>
> I thought that someone was trying to manufacture the single leg table. one
> but had some kind of an issue with the way the table latched in the up
> position. If I can get one of these tables, my side-bath Birch will end up
> with a couch... not a dinette. But I have a few years to wait on the table.
> --
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157764 is a reply to message #157762] |
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Mon, 23 January 2012 11:20 |
Kelvin, dosen't Manny have an arm that comes up? Seems like he showed it to me last year. May not be the one you are thinking about as Gene did not mention it. ...
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There is a picture in one of the galleries linked above:
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=1031>
I was in Manny's coach just a few months ago... I didn't notice the table then... but there are soooo many features to look at, it isn't surprising to miss a few!
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157768 is a reply to message #157764] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 13:43 |
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Kelvin,
How about something like airline tables that pull out from the armrests -- similar to those school desks with a top that roatated and folded down on the side.
Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157770 is a reply to message #157760] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 13:42 |
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Manny Trovao also have one of the curved leg tables installed. He has had it in for several years. It fits under the couch that is in his slideout.
Emery Stora
On Jan 23, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
> Mike,
>
> The curved-leg table that stows against the front of the sofa was the
> original inspiration for my "gas powered dining table". When recognized
> how difficult it was going to be to duplicate that, I settled on my simpler
> design, despite its shortcomings: Probably not as stable; slightly more
> difficult to erect and stow; and, may occupy more under-sofa space.
>
> Erv Troyer has one of those tables and knows the inventor. Maybe he can
> bring us up to date on it.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> ...
>> While harder to build (well beyond what I could do...) I have always liked
>> the couch table with a single curved leg. When not in use the top stores
>> against the bottom front of the couch. The leg does use some room under
>> the couch, but less than other pop-up table designs I have seen.
>>
>> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3091>
>> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3020>
>> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=32446>
>>
>> I thought that someone was trying to manufacture the single leg table. one
>> but had some kind of an issue with the way the table latched in the up
>> position. If I can get one of these tables, my side-bath Birch will end up
>> with a couch... not a dinette. But I have a few years to wait on the table.
>> --
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157813 is a reply to message #157787] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 21:03 |
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Do you have plans for the bases that you built for the Honda
seats? I am seriously considering doing the same thing (if I
can find a couple of more Honda seats to match the ones I
have!) Didn't someone have a set of the beige Honda seats
that they did not want.......
On 1/23/2012 3:30 PM, Armand Minnie wrote:
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> Kelvin, my coach is a 26 but I also hated the wasted space under the sofa and around the dinette. I removed the dinette and replaced it with two Honda seats (swivel rockers) and a round table that easily stores for travel and moves out of the way when you need it out of the way. I put drawers under my sofa - the frame is wood vs. metal but like yours - and you can't believe all the space you gain and the drawers double as foot rests when you are sitting at the new dinette. There are pictures on the photo site at:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=35165&cat=5500
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=39948&cat=5500
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157817 is a reply to message #157813] |
Mon, 23 January 2012 21:50 |
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Sorry, no plans. I could measure the bases for you if you want. I just put some plywood under the seat, screwed the swivel/rocker mechanism to that and then stacked up some scrap lumber to figure out what height they have to be for our legs. When I had the height I wanted I made the boxes with removable side and screwed the other side of the swivel/rocker to them. They are bolted through the floor.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157820 is a reply to message #157817] |
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I missed the part about rocker. Where did you find swivel/rocker bases?
On 1/23/2012 7:50 PM, Armand Minnie wrote:
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> Sorry, no plans. I could measure the bases for you if you want. I just put some plywood under the seat, screwed the swivel/rocker mechanism to that and then stacked up some scrap lumber to figure out what height they have to be for our legs. When I had the height I wanted I made the boxes with removable side and screwed the other side of the swivel/rocker to them. They are bolted through the floor.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Replacing the Dinette... [message #157944 is a reply to message #157734] |
Wed, 25 January 2012 08:47 |
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Your ideas seem set.
My PO took the dinette out and put in a couch that folds to a bed. Under the couch he put two sliding drawers, rather large and deep, for storage.
For a table, he bought a folding table, with a nice game top. It sits behind the chairs next to the sink, out of the way when traveling. You have to weigh the need when looking at a table that will take all that space away under the couch vs two nice large drawers that can store a lot of stuff...
In my case, it was needed since the PO removed all above storage cabinets opting for the full window views and the extra roominess it provides. The drawers were a needed addition.
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