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| [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156830] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 18:36  |
Dolph Santorine
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"The only stupid question is that one that isn't asked".
That being said, the running coach has one zerk fitting for the bogies.
The parts coach has TWO, in what appears to be a coaxial arrangement.
Could someone shed some light on this? There is no reference to it in the MM.
Thanks.
Dolph Santorine
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
dolph@dolphsantorine.com
1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
TZE167V100820
1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156835 is a reply to message #156831] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 18:46  |
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USAussie
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Dolph,
The one with two zerks probably has a set of these installed:
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/688
You should be able to remove the "double zerk" bogie greasers from the parts coach and install them in the running coach.
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dolph Santorine
Well, one on each bogie arm attach point.
On Jan 15, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
> "The only stupid question is that one that isn't asked".
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> That being said, the running coach has one zerk fitting for the bogies.
>
> The parts coach has TWO, in what appears to be a coaxial arrangement.
>
> Could someone shed some light on this? There is no reference to it in the MM.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dolph
>
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156849 is a reply to message #156842] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 19:52 |
sgltrac
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If they are the larger pin bogies (second design) and they have been re-pinned and bushed with a set like Jim K sells then it should last forever with proper greasing
Sully
77 royale
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From: Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:37:34
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
Thanks for the info.
The bogies on the parts coach were "renewed" (pin set) recently according to the 2nd PO. The air bags are better too (based on the very scientific inflate them and they don't leak down).
Maybe I should just swap the whole thing out? Is that bogie pin set replacement a reliable fix?
Dolph
On Jan 15, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Mark Grueninger wrote:
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> If it has 2 zerks on each bogie it more then likely has Bogie Greasers. Each zerk feeds one of the bushings. the center one for the inner bushing and the side zerk for the outter bushing. An aftermarket modification to ensure the innger bushing gets adaquate grease.
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> Mark
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> Dolph Santorine wrote on Sun, 15 January 2012 18:36
>> "The only stupid question is that one that isn't asked".
>>
>> That being said, the running coach has one zerk fitting for the bogies.
>>
>> The parts coach has TWO, in what appears to be a coaxial arrangement.
>>
>> Could someone shed some light on this? There is no reference to it in the MM.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
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>> DE N8JPC
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>> dolph@dolphsantorine.com
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>> 1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
>> TZE167V100820
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>> 1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
>> TZE166V101610
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156854 is a reply to message #156830] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 20:02 |
sgltrac
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If you do swap the bogies I would remove the hub and bearing assemblies and lag bolt a 4x4 between the air bag mounts on the arms as it makes the susp assy much easier to manage durring removal and install.
Sully
77 royale
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
Sent: Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM
Dolph,
Sounds like a good idea to me!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dolph Santorine
Thanks for the info.
The bogies on the parts coach were "renewed" (pin set) recently according to the 2nd PO. The air bags are better too (based on the
very scientific inflate them and they don't leak down).
Maybe I should just swap the whole thing out? Is that bogie pin set replacement a reliable fix?
Dolph
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156857 is a reply to message #156854] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 20:04 |
Dolph Santorine
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I'm a little worried about the camber shims, but other than that it looks straightforward.
Will also give me the best view ever of the frame, although I've been all over it and there is no discernible rust.
Dolph
On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:02 PM, sgltrac@gmail.com wrote:
> If you do swap the bogies I would remove the hub and bearing assemblies and lag bolt a 4x4 between the air bag mounts on the arms as it makes the susp assy much easier to manage durring removal and install.
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> ------Original Message------
> From: Rob Mueller
> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> ReplyTo: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
> Sent: Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM
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> Dolph,
>
> Sounds like a good idea to me!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dolph Santorine
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> The bogies on the parts coach were "renewed" (pin set) recently according to the 2nd PO. The air bags are better too (based on the
> very scientific inflate them and they don't leak down).
>
> Maybe I should just swap the whole thing out? Is that bogie pin set replacement a reliable fix?
>
> Dolph
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156859 is a reply to message #156857] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 20:18 |
sgltrac
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Just put em back where they came from. No big as they adjust the bogie bracket(constant) to the frame (variable).
Sully
77 royale
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:04:49
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Reply-To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
I'm a little worried about the camber shims, but other than that it looks straightforward.
Will also give me the best view ever of the frame, although I've been all over it and there is no discernible rust.
Dolph
On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:02 PM, sgltrac@gmail.com wrote:
> If you do swap the bogies I would remove the hub and bearing assemblies and lag bolt a 4x4 between the air bag mounts on the arms as it makes the susp assy much easier to manage durring removal and install.
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> ------Original Message------
> From: Rob Mueller
> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> ReplyTo: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
> Sent: Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM
>
> Dolph,
>
> Sounds like a good idea to me!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dolph Santorine
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> The bogies on the parts coach were "renewed" (pin set) recently according to the 2nd PO. The air bags are better too (based on the
> very scientific inflate them and they don't leak down).
>
> Maybe I should just swap the whole thing out? Is that bogie pin set replacement a reliable fix?
>
> Dolph
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156887 is a reply to message #156859] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 23:05 |
jimk
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Keep in mind that the 73-74 used the 1 1/4 pins which had one hoil in
the center. All our new Hardened 1 1/4 pins are now supplied with 2
holes like the 1 1/2 pins.
Lot of people still use the Greaser kit with 2 fittings as there are
always some one out there asking a 73-74 owner why they do not have
greaser kit on their coach.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Â <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just put em back where they came from. No big as they adjust the bogie bracket(constant) to the frame (variable).
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>
> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:04:49
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Reply-To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
>
> I'm a little worried about the camber shims, but other than that it looks straightforward.
>
> Will also give me the best view ever of the frame, although I've been all over it and there is no discernible rust.
>
> Dolph
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:02 PM, sgltrac@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If you do swap the bogies I would remove the hub and bearing assemblies and lag bolt a 4x4 between the air bag mounts on the arms as it makes the susp assy much easier to manage durring removal and install.
>>
>> Sully
>> 77 royale
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Rob Mueller
>> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> ReplyTo: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
>> Sent: Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM
>>
>> Dolph,
>>
>> Sounds like a good idea to me!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dolph Santorine
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> The bogies on the parts coach were "renewed" (pin set) recently according to the 2nd PO. The air bags are better too (based on the
>> very scientific inflate them and they don't leak down).
>>
>> Maybe I should just swap the whole thing out? Is that bogie pin set replacement a reliable fix?
>>
>> Dolph
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156888 is a reply to message #156887] |
Sun, 15 January 2012 23:52 |
jimk
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Dolph,
Can you contact me.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keep in mind that the 73-74 used the 1 1/4 pins which had one hoil in
> the center. All our new Hardened 1 1/4 pins are now supplied with 2
> holes like the 1 1/2 pins.
> Lot of people still use the Greaser kit with 2 fittings as there are
> always some one out there asking a 73-74 owner why they do not have
> greaser kit on their coach.
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Â <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just put em back where they came from. No big as they adjust the bogie bracket(constant) to the frame (variable).
>>
>> Sully
>> 77 royale
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>
>> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:04:49
>> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Reply-To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
>>
>> I'm a little worried about the camber shims, but other than that it looks straightforward.
>>
>> Will also give me the best view ever of the frame, although I've been all over it and there is no discernible rust.
>>
>> Dolph
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2012, at 9:02 PM, sgltrac@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> If you do swap the bogies I would remove the hub and bearing assemblies and lag bolt a 4x4 between the air bag mounts on the arms as it makes the susp assy much easier to manage durring removal and install.
>>>
>>> Sully
>>> 77 royale
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Rob Mueller
>>> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> ReplyTo: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogies
>>> Sent: Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM
>>>
>>> Dolph,
>>>
>>> Sounds like a good idea to me!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dolph Santorine
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>>
>>> The bogies on the parts coach were "renewed" (pin set) recently according to the 2nd PO. The air bags are better too (based on the
>>> very scientific inflate them and they don't leak down).
>>>
>>> Maybe I should just swap the whole thing out? Is that bogie pin set replacement a reliable fix?
>>>
>>> Dolph
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
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>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156945 is a reply to message #156887] |
Mon, 16 January 2012 13:07 |
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| jimk wrote on Sun, 15 January 2012 22:05 |
Keep in mind that the 73-74 used the 1 1/4 pins which had one hoil in
the center. All our new Hardened 1 1/4 pins are now supplied with 2
holes like the 1 1/2 pins.
Lot of people still use the Greaser kit with 2 fittings as there are
always some one out there asking a 73-74 owner why they do not have
greaser kit on their coach.
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I spoke to Ken Frey and he said he uses a pneumatic grease gun to shoot the lube into the pins
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogies [message #156949 is a reply to message #156945] |
Mon, 16 January 2012 14:03 |
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| Luvn737s wrote on Mon, 16 January 2012 11:07 |
| jimk wrote on Sun, 15 January 2012 22:05 |
Keep in mind that the 73-74 used the 1 1/4 pins which had one hoil in
the center. All our new Hardened 1 1/4 pins are now supplied with 2
holes like the 1 1/2 pins.
Lot of people still use the Greaser kit with 2 fittings as there are
always some one out there asking a 73-74 owner why they do not have
greaser kit on their coach.
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I spoke to Ken Frey and he said he uses a pneumatic grease gun to shoot the lube into the pins
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As I understand it, the problem is:
The early smaller pins only have one grease passage from the center of the pin to the area with the bushings. They expected the grease to flow from the zerk through the center of the pin to the passage located between the bushings... and then to BOTH bushings. If the seals is on both ends of the bushing are good and the route the grease needs to take is clear of any blockage (like hardened old grease) it is possible to grease both bushings. Not long after they put the GMC in service, they noticed it didn't take much to go wrong and you would not get grease to both bushings. So when they changed the pins, with the other upgrades to the rear boogies, they provided a grease passage for each bushing.
The new larger pins with a grease passage for each bushing was an improvement BUT the grease would still follow the path of least resistance. If one seal was bad, all the grease would flow toward and through it. The other bushing (with the good seal) would get no new grease. This is the reason for having the twin zerk boogie greasers. While you only really NEED one boogie greaser (if you wanted to install it every time you greased the boogie... x4) most people install one in each pin and leave them in. (Is it tool or a part?)
When installing the boogie greasers for the first time, you should clean out as much old grease as possible. (Use a large diameter soda straw as a grease removable tool.)
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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