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| ETHANOL EASE [message #156350] |
Wed, 11 January 2012 09:35  |
Michael Bozardt
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The Eastwood Company has a couple of additives to combat the effects of ethanol.
Fuel Guard Daily Driver will "prevent ethanol phase separation, prevent corrosion in the fuel system, help remove water and protect against gum and resin build-up and prevent clogged carburetors, injectors, filters an fuel lines." Part number 12735Z. Price $7.99
Fuel Guard Storage Formula will "preserve stored fuel for up to 12 months." Part number 12736Z. Price $9.99
Eastwood also sells ZDDP starting at 4 oz for $8.99, part number 12269Z.
Eastwood Company phone number is 1-800-345-1178. I intend to use the Fuel Guard Daily Driver. Thx, Michael at GEMRECS
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| Re: [GMCnet] ETHANOL EASE [message #156397 is a reply to message #156350] |
Wed, 11 January 2012 19:43  |
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USAussie
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G'day,
Here's a link to the products that Michael refers to:
Fuel Guard Daily Driver:
http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fuel-additive-daily-driver.html
Here's a link to "additional information about the product:
http://www.eastwood.com/images/pdf/Eastwood%20Fuel%20Guard.pdf
At the very bottom it advises:
12735z Fuel Guard Daily Driver Formula, treats up to 30 gallons
12736z Fuel Guard Storage Formula, treats up to 20 gallons
Therefore @ 45 gallons per fill up would cost about $12.00 or an additional $0.27 per gallon.
Here's a link to the MSDS:
http://www.eastwood.com/images/pdf/12735z_msds.pdf
Could one of our chemical engineering guys take a look at this and comment.
As far as their ZDDP goes Ron Morrison put me on to SFR-100. I called them and spoke to their technical services guys and they
advised the first time you use it you use 7 ounces and after that 5 ounces per oil change.
http://www.sfrcorp.com/product/sfr-100-petroleum-oil-fortifier/
It is a hell of a lot cheaper than the Eastwood ZDDP:
1 gallon SFR = $132.45
Eastwood ZDDP
1 gallon = 128 ounces
128 / 4 = 32
32 X $8.99 =$287.68
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bozardt
The Eastwood Company has a couple of additives to combat the effects of ethanol.
Fuel Guard Daily Driver will "prevent ethanol phase separation, prevent corrosion in the fuel system, help remove water and protect
against gum and resin build-up and prevent clogged carburetors, injectors, filters an fuel lines." Part number 12735Z. Price $7.99
Fuel Guard Storage Formula will "preserve stored fuel for up to 12 months." Part number 12736Z. Price $9.99
Eastwood also sells ZDDP starting at 4 oz for $8.99, part number 12269Z.
Eastwood Company phone number is 1-800-345-1178. I intend to use the Fuel Guard Daily Driver. Thx, Michael at GEMRECS
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| Re: [GMCnet] ETHANOL EASE [message #156415 is a reply to message #156397] |
Wed, 11 January 2012 21:24 |
midlf
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Wed, 11 January 2012 19:43 |
It is a hell of a lot cheaper than the Eastwood ZDDP:
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I suspect that for most any chemical or paint product that Eastwood sells you can find the equivalent product cheaper. HOWEVER you will have to do some research to find that other product and determine that the quality is equal. Sometimes this is easy, other times not so much.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: ETHANOL EASE [message #156456 is a reply to message #156350] |
Thu, 12 January 2012 10:33 |
Steve Stolley
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Fortunately, thanks to OSHA and required MDSSs, it's not hard to find the general contents of Ethanol Ease Daily Driver on the website.
Section 3: Composition/Information on Ingredients % by Wt.
Hydrotreated naphthenic oil: 90 – 99%
Hydroxyethylated aminoethylamide: 2 - 5%
Petroleum naphtha: 1 - 3%
Steve Stolley
76 Glenbrook
Ivins, Utah
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| Re: [GMCnet] ETHANOL EASE [message #156506 is a reply to message #156476] |
Thu, 12 January 2012 18:22 |
emerystora
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Naphthenic oils derived from naphthenic crude are very available and inexpensive. They yield medium viscosity index and low viscosity index base oils with very little wax and naturally low pour points. Unfortunately, their poor thermal and oxidative stability coupled with their modest viscosity characteristics rule them out for use in today's high performance lubricating oils.
Hydro-treated oils are derived from almost any crude oil using an alternative refining process which substitutes deep hydrogen treatment for solvent extraction. This produces excellent low termerature properties. So the product being discussed, Ethanol Ease, is basically an inexpensive oil (up to 99%).
Hydroxyethylated aminoethylamide would be highly soluble in water. It is often used in fuels to help it flow better in winter weather. Being highly soluble in water would apparently help the base oil product mix better with ethanol.
Petroleum naptha is an intermediate hydrocarbon liquid stream derived from the refining of crude oil, usually catalytically reformed which re-arranges the hydrocarbon molecules in the naptha as well as breaking some of the molecules into smaller molecules to produce a higher octane component of gasoline. Petroleum naptha is often called mineral spirits, white gas or painters naptha. However, only 1 to 3% is used in their product.
Overall I would say that Ethanol Ease is only a poor lubricating oil. I can't see how it would make much difference if you add it to gasoline mixed with ethanol.
Some of you may recall some earlier discussions of adding diesel fuel to gasoline to increase the octane level. I could not see much benefit of this either.
I would conclude that you should save your money and pass on Ethanol Ease.
The only people that really benefit from most of these additives are the people selling them. I am thinking that there are enough people lining up to buy the 'latest and greatest" additives that perhaps I should cobble up some exoitic sounding components and market an additive. People doing so are only selling hope, not substance.
Do any of you want to send me some advance money for this new endeavor?
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
(soon to be Colorado)
On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Steve,
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> Correct, I posted the link to that information in my reply to Michael.
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> We need someone with a chemical engineering background to interpret it! ;-)
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Stolley
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> Fortunately, thanks to OSHA and required MDSSs, it's not hard to find the general contents of Ethanol Ease Daily Driver on the
> website.
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> Section 3: Composition/Information on Ingredients % by Wt.
> Hydrotreated naphthenic oil: 90 – 99%
> Hydroxyethylated aminoethylamide: 2 - 5%
> Petroleum naphtha: 1 - 3%
>
> Steve
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| Re: ETHANOL EASE [message #156508 is a reply to message #156350] |
Thu, 12 January 2012 18:35 |
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related question for the educated people on this site.
i am a big fan of sea foam, i dont do a can every fill up, but maybe every 2 or 3 , is it helping me any?
and, the lucas oil additive stuff i also use, is it helping me any? i am still a little foggy on the zddp stuf, some times i read a little of it and i think i am understanding a little, but other times i start reading it , and i swear i smell wood burning, then i end up with a head ache.
brian
asheboro, nc
75 eleganza, 74 build
119k miles and counting,
DOG HOUSE
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| Re: [GMCnet] ETHANOL EASE [message #156526 is a reply to message #156506] |
Thu, 12 January 2012 20:19 |
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USAussie
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Emery,
So for the chemically challenged in a word it's:
SNAKEOIL
Thanks!
Rob M.
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Friday, 13 January 2012 11:23 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ETHANOL EASE
Naphthenic oils derived from naphthenic crude are very available and inexpensive. They yield medium viscosity index and low
viscosity index base oils with very little wax and naturally low pour points. Unfortunately, their poor thermal and oxidative
stability coupled with their modest viscosity characteristics rule them out for use in today's high performance lubricating oils.
Hydro-treated oils are derived from almost any crude oil using an alternative refining process which substitutes deep hydrogen
treatment for solvent extraction. This produces excellent low termerature properties. So the product being discussed, Ethanol
Ease, is basically an inexpensive oil (up to 99%).
Hydroxyethylated aminoethylamide would be highly soluble in water. It is often used in fuels to help it flow better in winter
weather. Being highly soluble in water would apparently help the base oil product mix better with ethanol.
Petroleum naptha is an intermediate hydrocarbon liquid stream derived from the refining of crude oil, usually catalytically reformed
which re-arranges the hydrocarbon molecules in the naptha as well as breaking some of the molecules into smaller molecules to
produce a higher octane component of gasoline. Petroleum naptha is often called mineral spirits, white gas or painters naptha.
However, only 1 to 3% is used in their product.
Overall I would say that Ethanol Ease is only a poor lubricating oil. I can't see how it would make much difference if you add it
to gasoline mixed with ethanol.
Some of you may recall some earlier discussions of adding diesel fuel to gasoline to increase the octane level. I could not see
much benefit of this either.
I would conclude that you should save your money and pass on Ethanol Ease.
The only people that really benefit from most of these additives are the people selling them. I am thinking that there are enough
people lining up to buy the 'latest and greatest" additives that perhaps I should cobble up some exoitic sounding components and
market an additive. People doing so are only selling hope, not substance.
Do any of you want to send me some advance money for this new endeavor?
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
(soon to be Colorado)
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] ETHANOL EASE [message #156530 is a reply to message #156526] |
Thu, 12 January 2012 20:35 |
Dolph Santorine
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There's an MSDS for that!
Looks remarkably like the one for manure.
Dolph Santorine
Dolph@DolphSantorine.com
Phone: 304-219-3100
Cell: 740-312-5342
Http://www.DolphSantorine.com
Excuse me for not being my usual wordy and sporadically verbose self. This message is sent from my iPad, which is, in many ways, an iPhone on steroids.
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. Few long dead dinosaurs were involved. A large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:19 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Emery,
>
> So for the chemically challenged in a word it's:
>
> SNAKEOIL
>
> Thanks!
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
> Sent: Friday, 13 January 2012 11:23 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ETHANOL EASE
>
> Naphthenic oils derived from naphthenic crude are very available and inexpensive. They yield medium viscosity index and low
> viscosity index base oils with very little wax and naturally low pour points. Unfortunately, their poor thermal and oxidative
> stability coupled with their modest viscosity characteristics rule them out for use in today's high performance lubricating oils.
> Hydro-treated oils are derived from almost any crude oil using an alternative refining process which substitutes deep hydrogen
> treatment for solvent extraction. This produces excellent low termerature properties. So the product being discussed, Ethanol
> Ease, is basically an inexpensive oil (up to 99%).
>
> Hydroxyethylated aminoethylamide would be highly soluble in water. It is often used in fuels to help it flow better in winter
> weather. Being highly soluble in water would apparently help the base oil product mix better with ethanol.
>
> Petroleum naptha is an intermediate hydrocarbon liquid stream derived from the refining of crude oil, usually catalytically reformed
> which re-arranges the hydrocarbon molecules in the naptha as well as breaking some of the molecules into smaller molecules to
> produce a higher octane component of gasoline. Petroleum naptha is often called mineral spirits, white gas or painters naptha.
> However, only 1 to 3% is used in their product.
>
> Overall I would say that Ethanol Ease is only a poor lubricating oil. I can't see how it would make much difference if you add it
> to gasoline mixed with ethanol.
>
> Some of you may recall some earlier discussions of adding diesel fuel to gasoline to increase the octane level. I could not see
> much benefit of this either.
>
> I would conclude that you should save your money and pass on Ethanol Ease.
>
> The only people that really benefit from most of these additives are the people selling them. I am thinking that there are enough
> people lining up to buy the 'latest and greatest" additives that perhaps I should cobble up some exoitic sounding components and
> market an additive. People doing so are only selling hope, not substance.
>
> Do any of you want to send me some advance money for this new endeavor?
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
> (soon to be Colorado)
>
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| Re: ETHANOL EASE [message #156546 is a reply to message #156350] |
Thu, 12 January 2012 22:48 |
GeorgeRud
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Thanks for your knowledgeable info, it's human nature to look for "snake oil". It's nice to have a friend in the business that can give you the down-low.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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