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Tue, 10 January 2012 18:14  |
Chico_Mon
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Thought i would inquire from among the group members if there might be someone selling their "USED" 16" x 6 aluminum (hub centered) wheel set and mounting hardware?
if available, Email me with photos, selling price, and logistics.
Regards from balmy (+45 F) Racine, Wisconsin
Ray Sulin
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Here in Wisconsin excitement is growing for the Sunday Packer game against the Giants
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156294 is a reply to message #156293] |
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Ray,
Your emails are getting through; however, I suspect that no one has used wheels which they're willing to part with.
The best deal you'll be able to get is here:
http://www.appliedgmc.com/level.itml/icOid/489
You could try setting up an eBay or Craigslist search.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Subject: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels
Thought i would inquire from among the group members if there might be someone selling their "USED" 16" x 6 aluminum (hub centered)
wheel set and mounting hardware?
if available, Email me with photos, selling price, and logistics.
Regards from balmy (+45 F) Racine, Wisconsin
Ray Sulin
1974 Eleganza w/ 455 Toro engine (newbie)
Wills Wing T2 Hang Glider - Been flying 41 Yrs
Universtity of Utah - Mechanical Engineer 26 yrs experience
Journeyman Welder - TIG, MIG, Stick (all positions) 8 yrs experience
Here in Wisconsin excitement is growing for the Sunday Packer game against the Giants
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156295 is a reply to message #156294] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 19:06 |
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Yes,
All four of your emails made it through. Including the first that was a reply to a different thread and is buried under it on the forum. (Reducing the pool of people reading it.)
I also suspect that USED -hub centered- wheels will be hard to come by. (There isn't much reason to replace "good" wheels.) MAYBE someone will part out a coach with them... but not very often.
Some non-hub centered wheels will work and opens up more available used wheels. To use lug centered wheels, you will need lug nut that match the wheels AND the studs on your GMC.
Like Rob says, your best bet is to talk with a GMC motorhome vendor. When talking wheels, JimK comes to mind....
| Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 16:44 |
Ray,
Your emails are getting through; however, I suspect that no one has used wheels which they're willing to part with.
The best deal you'll be able to get is here:
http://www.appliedgmc.com/level.itml/icOid/489
You could try setting up an eBay or Craigslist search.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Raymond Sulin
Subject: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels
Thought i would inquire from among the group members if there might be someone selling their "USED" 16" x 6 aluminum (hub centered)
wheel set and mounting hardware? ...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156472 is a reply to message #156293] |
Thu, 12 January 2012 14:00 |
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Good luck on your quest. With the out of the ball park prices on the
Alcoas, I seriously doubt your quest will be a short journey.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Raymond Sulin <ray_sulin@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Thought i would inquire from among the group members if there might be
> someone selling their "USED" 16" x 6 aluminum (hub centered) wheel set and
> mounting hardware?
>
> if available, Email me with photos, selling price, and logistics.
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> Regards from balmy (+45 F) Racine, Wisconsin
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> Ray Sulin
> 1974 Eleganza w/ 455 Toro engine (newbie)
> Wills Wing T2 Hang Glider - Been flying 41 Yrs
> Universtity of Utah - Mechanical Engineer 26 yrs experience
> Journeyman Welder - TIG, MIG, Stick (all positions) 8 yrs experience
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> Here in Wisconsin excitement is growing for the Sunday Packer game against
> the Giants
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156559 is a reply to message #156293] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 06:14 |
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Craigslist. look every day or two. if you live in a large metro area, you will be able to piece together a whole set in a few months. It took me about 3 or so to get mine, and i have five Eagles and two Alcoas (Front), and that was for the lts / 034 style. I missed a set of four alcoa's by just one day because I hesitated due to having all the Eagles already.
Good luck.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156577 is a reply to message #156293] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 13:29 |
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Regards from balmy (+45 F) Racine, Wisconsin
I have mentioned about scavaging the wheels off of a burn-out GMC but never had a response.
I am now wondering if the heat from the fire may have damaged the almunium wheel in some way that they are not usable after a GMC fire.
Since the unfortunate circumstance happens, that a fire occurs and destroys the GMC, the wheels are always left and go to the crackers with the burned out frame/body.
It would make sense to recycle these if it is doable.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156582 is a reply to message #156293] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 15:12 |
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It's even tough to find the 16" steel wheels with the proper 4.567" center hub and the domed shape necessary. It seems that there are a lot more Ford wheels out there than GM ones.
I have seen center adapter rings available for many different sized hubs and wheels, and wonder if they would be appropriate for our needs?
George Rudawsky
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156594 is a reply to message #156585] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 18:29 |
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A,
I'm a bit confused by your comments below.
As far as I know any wheel that is hub centered MUST have an adapter ring to work or be modified to use lug nuts with shoulders.
To use a Ford wheel we would need:
A) A hubcentric ring that is 4.750 in (120.65 mm) OD and 4.567 in (116.0018 mm) ID.
B) A hubcentric ring that is 4.875 in (123.825 mm) OD and 4.567 in (116.0018 mm) ID.
Reference: http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42249
I did a Google search and found a number of websites that sells them. Unfortunately nothing that fits either of the above
applications.
I sent one of them an email asking if they could supply a custom size, how much a set of 6 would cost, and how big a production run
they would have to make. I will advise their response.
The advantage of 16" tires is the myriad of brands and tread patterns available.
I did a Google search and only came up with:
http://www.bizrate.com/automotive-tires/products__keyword--16.5+tire__show--120__sort--6.html
It appears that the only tire available for GMC's is the Firestone Transforce.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Should work fine, even better with a center adapter ring than without one. I haven't seen any correct shaped wheels with a 4-2/3"
offset. Most are 5" offset. A 3/8" adapter that would center the wheel would also put the tread/track exactly where it was on OEM
wheels. It doesn't get any better than that.
I just figured if I needed adapters, I would have to go to my local machinist and give him $100 per hour to fabricate 6 of them.
Way more than I would be willing to pay, given that the Firestone 8.75R16.5 is only about $10 per tire more than the equivalent
LT225/75R16 tire.
Ford rims have either 4-3/4" or 4-7/8" hub holes.
What's the best price you have seen for an adapter that is 3/8" thick that will adapt a rim with a 4-3/4" hub hole to 4-9/16" (or
one that will adapt a rim with a 4-7/8" hub hole to 4-9/16")?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156604 is a reply to message #156293] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 19:26 |
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I did find one site that had adapters with 117mm inner diameter, so I'm sure you could find some.
Ideally, one could find one that would center and space the wheels out so the track could be the same as the rear. I'm sure a machine shop that is set up to do this sort of thing could crank them out, but I have no idea what the cost would be. I had a good friend that was a machinist that helped me out when I needed strange things like this, but he doesn't have a shop anymore.
George Rudawsky
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156605 is a reply to message #156604] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 19:48 |
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George,
Me too! The problem was the OD.
http://www.justforwheels.com/index.jsp?ID=116.7&sub=searchsize&cat=hubcentric
Regards,
Rob
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From: George Rudawsky
I did find one site that had adapters with 117mm inner diameter, so I'm sure you could find some.
Ideally, one could find one that would center and space the wheels out so the track could be the same as the rear. I'm sure a
machine shop that is set up to do this sort of thing could crank them out, but I have no idea what the cost would be. I had a good
friend that was a machinist that helped me out when I needed strange things like this, but he doesn't have a shop anymore.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156606 is a reply to message #156594] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 19:57 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 18:29 |
A,
I'm a bit confused by your comments below.
As far as I know any wheel that is hub centered MUST have an adapter ring to work or be modified to use lug nuts with shoulders.
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I have to plead ignorance here. I haven't found a spacer of any sort behind any of my wheels. The adapter to use a rim with a 4-7/8" hole and a 5" offset on a hub with a 4-9/16" and that had OEM rims with 4-2/3" offset would need a lip around it 5/32" thick to fill the gap between the hub and the hub hole, and a spacer part behind the rim about 3/8" thick to move the rim out to center the tread where it would have been originally. Nothing changes about the lug nuts and what they press against (unless the lug bolts need to be longer). I might have to figure out how to post a drawing of what I am talking about.
If you are saying that a stubby "cylinder" of the correct thickness could be welded or brazed onto an adapter ring that is on the outside of the rim? If so, then that would center the rim, but wouldn't space the wheel out to compensate for the difference in offset.
Does that clear things up or just make it worse?| Quote: |
To use a Ford wheel we would need:
A) A hubcentric ring that is 4.750 in (120.65 mm) OD and 4.567 in (116.0018 mm) ID.
B) A hubcentric ring that is 4.875 in (123.825 mm) OD and 4.567 in (116.0018 mm) ID.
Reference: http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=42249
I did a Google search and found a number of websites that sells them. Unfortunately nothing that fits either of the above applications.
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I didn't do a web search, just figured, like everything else I start to do that is simple, it would require equipment that I don't have and would need to pay a machinist $100 per hour to fabricate. And that wasn't going to happen.| Quote: |
I sent one of them an email asking if they could supply a custom size, how much a set of 6 would cost, and how big a production run they would have to make. I will advise their response.
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Looking forward to the response.| Quote: |
The advantage of 16" tires is the myriad of brands and tread patterns available.
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True. And there may someday soon be NO sources of 8.75R16.5 tires at all.That's the same conclusion I came to. Last time I compared them the LT225/75R16 Firestone Transforce tire was $10 less at Sears than the 8.75R16.5 Firestone Transforce tire at Sears. That's how I got the $10 figure.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156613 is a reply to message #156604] |
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| GeorgeRud wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 17:26 |
I did find one site that had adapters with 117mm inner diameter, ...
... I'm sure a machine shop that is set up to do this sort of thing could crank them out, but I have no idea what the cost would be. ...
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A few years ago, when thinking about some used Ford (OEM) aluminum wheels listed on ebay, I looked into centering rings.
I could not find any of the correct size but found someone selling smaller centering rings on ebay he made in his shop. I contacted him and discussed making custom rings. The price wasn't that bad.
Between the ending bid, shipping and the price of the rings, I got hub centered Eagles from JimK.
BUT if you are looking for a different look, it is an option.
A thought would be to pick up 7 of the more available wheels with larger pilot holes and semi-permanently convert the coach to match the wheels.
I personally like the look of the "LTS" wheel and some Ford dually pick-up had them from the factory. This is very similar to the American Eagle series 034. (Also discontinued.)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156625 is a reply to message #156606] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 21:48 |
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A,
The nuts for hub centered wheels like the OEM 16.5" steel wheels or the 16" Alcoa aluminum wheels have flat washers that interface
with the flat surface on the wheels.
The nuts for lug centered wheels have a taper (steel wheels) or a taper or shoulder (aluminum wheels) that interface with the
wheels.
If you use nuts with washers on lug centered wheels they will not be centered. While I was at the Pueblo rally a new GMC owner told
he how he had just replaced his steel wheels with Eagle aluminum wheels. He noted that they looked great but on the trip to the
rally he said the coach seemed to vibrate a lot. We headed off for his coach and when we got there I noted he had OEM flat nuts on
the Eagle wheels and I could see that they were not hub centered. I asked him where he got them and he noted his local wheel shop
had gotten them for him. I explained what the problem was and then suggested we go talk to JimK. We did so and JimK had a full set
of the correct nuts sent to the rally. Problem solved.
I agree it probably wouldn't be cost effective to make one set of adapter rings.
Hopefully they will come back with a reasonable price.
Firestone Transforce tires have received mixed reviews here; some people liked them other said they felt "square."
Regards,
Rob M.
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I have to plead ignorance here. I haven't found a spacer of any sort behind any of my wheels. The adapter to use a rim with a
4-7/8" hole and a 5" offset on a hub with a 4-9/16" and that had OEM rims with 4-2/3" offset would need a lip around it 5/32" thick
to fill the gap between the hub and the hub hole, and a spacer part behind the rim about 3/8" thick to move the rim out to center
the tread where it would have been originally. Nothing changes about the lug nuts and what they press against (unless the lug bolts
need to be longer). I might have to figure out how to post a drawing of what I am talking about.
If you are saying that a 5/32" lip could be welded to the adapter ring that fits between the lug nuts and the rim, then that would
center the rim, but wouldn't space the wheel out to compensate for the difference in offset.
Does that clear things up or just make it worse?
I didn't do a web search, just figured, like everything else I start to do that is simple, it would require equipment that I don't
have and would need to pay a machinist $100 per hour to fabricate. And that wasn't going to happen.Quote:
Looking forward to the response.
That's the same conclusion I came to. Last time I compared them the LT225/75R16 Firestone Transforce tire was $10 less at Sears
than the 8.75R16.5 Firestone Transforce tire at Sears. That's how I got the $10 figure.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Looking for Used Wheels [message #156632 is a reply to message #156625] |
Fri, 13 January 2012 22:28 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 21:48 |
A,
The nuts for hub centered wheels like the OEM 16.5" steel wheels or the 16" Alcoa aluminum wheels have flat washers that interface
with the flat surface on the wheels.
The nuts for lug centered wheels have a taper (steel wheels) or a taper or shoulder (aluminum wheels) that interface with the
wheels.
If you use nuts with washers on lug centered wheels they will not be centered....
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The 16" steel rims people want are direct replacements for the 16.5" rims. They use the same lugnuts so no hassle or expense. That is one of the reasons some of us want to go with steel rims instead of alloy (plus the price of alloy rims is way out of budget).
I will send you an email note with a drawing of my proposed adapter.
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