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Sun, 08 January 2012 18:33  |
KB
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I redid the headliner recently on our 26' coach with some 1/4" thick
beadboard plywood. This was to replace a thin formica material the PO
paid Grandview to install about 10 years ago that was sagging and curling badly.
The beadboard ply is an improvement, but I'm not thrilled with it.
I'm thinking of trying again with headliner material as others here have done.
Saw it in someone's coach and was impressed with the sound deadening quality.
I think the matte texture will also tend to hide flaws better. A photo site
search of "headliner" yields some great ideas and pictures.
This seems to be the stuff:
http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
My questions to folks who've used this, typically on 1/8" thick plywood or other thin substrate:
1) did the thin plywood tend to sag over time in between the supports?
If not, did you glue/screw the plywood to the ceiling ribs?
I'd like to keep the ceiling removable for the inevitable repairs/additions,
but also don't want sags. Smaller sections are easier to support, but
how small does it have to be to stay flat? Any tips/tricks to get it
to stay put and looking good?
2) did you use foam under the headliner material (eg 1/8 or 1/4 landau foam), or just
glue it to the board? If you used foam, how has it held up over time?
3) any comments on the durability or clean-ability of this material?
4) suggestions on the best brand of glue to use, or how much is required?
5) anything you'd do differently??
thanks much,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156000 is a reply to message #155991] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 19:36  |
Ken Henderson
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Karen,
When I redid the interior of our 23' in '98/'99 I used essentially the same
material you're considering. Except that I used actual carpet instead of
the pseudo-carpet that material is. Both are polypropylene
"indoor-outdoor" carpet, with the headliner material thinner and the carpet
less available in lighter colors.
For substrate I used "tile board", a masonite product coated on one side
with melamine and used for cheap lining of shower baths. It's almost
totally impervious to water, especially on the melamine side. I installed
the coated side up to ensure that any water leaks would not cause damage.
I installed the carpet in one piece -- with no bath module in the way, that
was easy. And I did it completely alone. From front to rear, I installed
a "dead man" support: 2x4 running front to rear with stanchions to hold it
against the tile board ceiling. With the carpet hanging over the 2x4, it
was easy to spray the back of the carpet and the ceiling with 3M contact
cement, then carefully work from the center to the outsides raising the
carpet into contact with the ceiling -- to STAY. Naturally, I got a few
bubbles, but with the porosity of the carpet, they were easy to squeegee
out.
The carpet extends down to the bottom of the upper longitudinal members, so
I didn't have to worry about a replacement for the OEM plastic trim.
12+ years later, the light grey carpet looks as good as the day I installed
it. I have had to vacuum it a time or two where the A/C air flow deposited
dust.
If you can find a color you like at a carpet store, it may be even cheaper
than the headliner material, and easier to work with.
JWID,
Ken H.
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, KB wrote:
> I redid the headliner recently on our 26' coach with some 1/4" thick
> beadboard plywood. This was to replace a thin formica material the PO
> paid Grandview to install about 10 years ago that was sagging and curling
> badly.
> The beadboard ply is an improvement, but I'm not thrilled with it.
>
> I'm thinking of trying again with headliner material as others here have
> done.
> Saw it in someone's coach and was impressed with the sound deadening
> quality.
> I think the matte texture will also tend to hide flaws better. A photo
> site
> search of "headliner" yields some great ideas and pictures.
>
> This seems to be the stuff:
>
> http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
>
> My questions to folks who've used this, typically on 1/8" thick plywood or
> other thin substrate:
> 1) did the thin plywood tend to sag over time in between the supports?
> If not, did you glue/screw the plywood to the ceiling ribs?
> I'd like to keep the ceiling removable for the inevitable
> repairs/additions,
> but also don't want sags. Smaller sections are easier to support, but
> how small does it have to be to stay flat? Any tips/tricks to get it
> to stay put and looking good?
>
> 2) did you use foam under the headliner material (eg 1/8 or 1/4 landau
> foam), or just
> glue it to the board? If you used foam, how has it held up over time?
>
> 3) any comments on the durability or clean-ability of this material?
>
> 4) suggestions on the best brand of glue to use, or how much is required?
>
> 5) anything you'd do differently??
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156010 is a reply to message #155991] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 20:00 |
gmcrv1
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KB,
Try this site. I have been dealing with them since 1990. I was given
their name from an upholstery shop owner that has been using them since the
1960's.
http://www.acmeautoheadlining.com/gallery/main.php
Make sure you use the proper adhesive. We used an adhesive that came in a
5 gallon can and sprayed using an automotive prime gun - made for spraying
thick liquids.
Good Luck!
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:33 PM, KB <kab7@sonic.net> wrote:
> I redid the headliner recently on our 26' coach with some 1/4" thick
> beadboard plywood. This was to replace a thin formica material the PO
> paid Grandview to install about 10 years ago that was sagging and curling
> badly.
> The beadboard ply is an improvement, but I'm not thrilled with it.
>
> I'm thinking of trying again with headliner material as others here have
> done.
> Saw it in someone's coach and was impressed with the sound deadening
> quality.
> I think the matte texture will also tend to hide flaws better. A photo
> site
> search of "headliner" yields some great ideas and pictures.
>
> This seems to be the stuff:
>
> http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
>
> My questions to folks who've used this, typically on 1/8" thick plywood or
> other thin substrate:
> 1) did the thin plywood tend to sag over time in between the supports?
> If not, did you glue/screw the plywood to the ceiling ribs?
> I'd like to keep the ceiling removable for the inevitable
> repairs/additions,
> but also don't want sags. Smaller sections are easier to support, but
> how small does it have to be to stay flat? Any tips/tricks to get it
> to stay put and looking good?
>
> 2) did you use foam under the headliner material (eg 1/8 or 1/4 landau
> foam), or just
> glue it to the board? If you used foam, how has it held up over time?
>
> 3) any comments on the durability or clean-ability of this material?
>
> 4) suggestions on the best brand of glue to use, or how much is required?
>
> 5) anything you'd do differently??
>
> thanks much,
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156015 is a reply to message #155991] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 20:21 |
Gary Worobec
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Hi,
We used FRP showerboard from Home Depot. It's a 1/16" fiberglas sheet. Cut
it into manageable sections. I don;t think they are any more than 22 x 43.
We used the non glossy side and covered it with 1/4 foam, then a regular
upholstery material. The key is to use "high temperature headliner
adhesive". Regular contact cement will break down. Loctite makes it as well
as others. I bought 5 gallons from a supplier. This stuff is so good it
makes your nose bleed. Or you can use spray cans but get it from a real
upholstery supply shop. We then hung the panels using 1/8" x 3/4" aluminum
strips drilled into the cross members.
The key things:
1) Use a lightweight material
2) Use proper headliner adhesive.
Here is a picture
http://tinyurl.com/7df39c9
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "KB" <kab7@sonic.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:33 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag
>I redid the headliner recently on our 26' coach with some 1/4" thick
> beadboard plywood. This was to replace a thin formica material the PO
> paid Grandview to install about 10 years ago that was sagging and curling
> badly.
> The beadboard ply is an improvement, but I'm not thrilled with it.
>
> I'm thinking of trying again with headliner material as others here have
> done.
> Saw it in someone's coach and was impressed with the sound deadening
> quality.
> I think the matte texture will also tend to hide flaws better. A photo
> site
> search of "headliner" yields some great ideas and pictures.
>
> This seems to be the stuff:
> http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
>
> My questions to folks who've used this, typically on 1/8" thick plywood or
> other thin substrate:
> 1) did the thin plywood tend to sag over time in between the supports?
> If not, did you glue/screw the plywood to the ceiling ribs?
> I'd like to keep the ceiling removable for the inevitable
> repairs/additions,
> but also don't want sags. Smaller sections are easier to support, but
> how small does it have to be to stay flat? Any tips/tricks to get it
> to stay put and looking good?
>
> 2) did you use foam under the headliner material (eg 1/8 or 1/4 landau
> foam), or just
> glue it to the board? If you used foam, how has it held up over time?
>
> 3) any comments on the durability or clean-ability of this material?
>
> 4) suggestions on the best brand of glue to use, or how much is required?
>
> 5) anything you'd do differently??
>
> thanks much,
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156020 is a reply to message #155991] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 22:08 |
Adrien G.
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Karen,
I'm redoing the interior. So far I've done the cockpit headcap with the same material you're considering, I used 3M # 08090 Super Trim Adhesive. Best price (not cheap) I found was at Amazon.
I think that the length of the ceiling panel (from side to side), will determine how well the panels will stay up (not sag).
While the ceiling is down, you might consider insulating to cut down on heat which can be part of the cause of material sag. Make the AC a tad more efficient.
hope this helps a tad.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156024 is a reply to message #156020] |
Sun, 08 January 2012 22:57 |
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See:
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=66666UuZjcFSLXTt4xMcNxTcEVuQEcuZgVs6EVs6E666666--&fn=TDS_08088_P.pdf
Make sure it's for headliners. There are different adhesives for
headliners - both lightweight and heavier as in upholstery fabric.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Adrien Genesoto <fixman54@syix.com> wrote:
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>
> Karen,
>
> I'm redoing the interior. So far I've done the cockpit headcap with the
> same material you're considering, I used 3M # 08090 Super Trim Adhesive.
> Best price (not cheap) I found was at Amazon.
>
> I think that the length of the ceiling panel (from side to side), will
> determine how well the panels will stay up (not sag).
>
> While the ceiling is down, you might consider insulating to cut down on
> heat which can be part of the cause of material sag. Make the AC a tad more
> efficient.
>
> hope this helps a tad.
> --
> ”When we avoid the mistakes we might have made, we sometimes make
> the mistakes that we might have avoided.”
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> Adrien & Jenny
> 75 Glenbrook
> Yuba City,Ca.
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156045 is a reply to message #155991] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 08:53 |
Carl S.
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Karen,
Here is a link to an album my PO did when he re-did the headliner in our coach:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3244
The details are all there as to how it was done. The center drop is only about an inch and is handy for lighting and access to the wiring etc to add additional lighting. When I picked up the coach from him. some of the headliner material had come loose and I had to re-glue it. Bruce did a great job on this project and, aside from not using the right, or enough, adhesive in places, it looks as good today, at least 5 - 6 years (maybe more) after he did the work.
We really like the look and the acoustic qualities of this installation. The drop is of no consequence unless you are really tall. I'm 6' tall and have no problem clearing the lowest point, the inside AC control panel. My youngest son is about 6'-4" and has to duck. My oldest son is 6'-8' and he can forget about standing up in any GMC.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156056 is a reply to message #155991] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 11:16 |
KB
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> For substrate I used "tile board", a masonite product coated on one side
> with melamine and used for cheap lining of shower baths. It's almost
> totally impervious to water, especially on the melamine side. I installed
> the coated side up to ensure that any water leaks would not cause damage.
Thanks Ken. Do you recall how thick the tile board is? It was a real
pain to bend the 1/4" plywood to the curves -- I had to score the
back a lot to get it to bend without breaking, and it still doesn't
look quite right in places.
Did you glue/screw the masonite to the ceiling? Sounds like the carpet
was thick enough you didn't need foam under it? Or did the carpet
have a foam backing?
thanks,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156061 is a reply to message #155991] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 11:35 |
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Thanks Gary, yours is one of my "inspiration" coaches on the photo site.
It looks really fantastic; you did a great job.
I love the fact you can remove small sections of the ceiling if
needed without having to pull the whole thing down.
Did you end up using the whole 5 gallons of adhesive for the project?
thanks,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
> We used FRP showerboard from Home Depot. It's a 1/16" fiberglas sheet. Cut
> it into manageable sections. I don;t think they are any more than 22 x 43.
> We used the non glossy side and covered it with 1/4 foam, then a regular
> upholstery material. The key is to use "high temperature headliner
> adhesive". Regular contact cement will break down. Loctite makes it as well
> as others. I bought 5 gallons from a supplier. This stuff is so good it
> makes your nose bleed. Or you can use spray cans but get it from a real
> upholstery supply shop. We then hung the panels using 1/8" x 3/4" aluminum
> strips drilled into the cross members.
>
> The key things:
>
> 1) Use a lightweight material
>
> 2) Use proper headliner adhesive.
>
> Here is a picture
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7df39c9
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156062 is a reply to message #155991] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 11:47 |
KB
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> I'm redoing the interior. So far I've done the cockpit headcap with the same material you're considering, I used 3M # 08090 Super Trim Adhesive. Best price (not cheap) I found was at Amazon.
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> I think that the length of the ceiling panel (from side to side), will determine how well the panels will stay up (not sag).
>
> While the ceiling is down, you might consider insulating to cut down on heat which can be part of the cause of material sag. Make the AC a tad more efficient.
Thanks, I did insulate with rigid foam board adhered with expanding foam between the ribs,
and then a layer of that reflective bubble stuff over everything. I'll leave off the bubble
stuff next time because it's too squishy and makes it hard to get the panels flat against
the ceiling ribs.
I tried covering the front cap on our 23' coach with some regular marine vinyl
but found it impossible to glue evenly around the complex shapes at the front.
Too rigid to stretch and compress to fit. Sounds like the headliner material is
more forgiving.
thanks,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156064 is a reply to message #156062] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 11:49 |
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Oops, forgot to add: thanks for the tip on the adhesive. Any thoughts on
coverage, or how much to get?
thanks,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
>> I'm redoing the interior. So far I've done the cockpit headcap with
>> the same material you're considering, I used 3M # 08090 Super Trim
>> Adhesive. Best price (not cheap) I found was at Amazon.
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156067 is a reply to message #155991] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 12:26 |
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Hi Karen, ...while this might not be for everyone, perhaps you might like this.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5159
Its been up there for three years now, with no problems. I used Liquid Nails as glue, with stainless steel screws into the cross ribs where you see the oak beams. I used cedar closet material for the longitudinals, all material purchased at Lowe's.
Cleaning, fine steel wool as the cedar begins to oxidase and to re-freshen the cedar smell.
Howard Nylander
Royale Class of '78', 'Rocinante'
Greeneville, Tn.
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From: KB <kab7@sonic.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 7:33 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag
I redid the headliner recently on our 26' coach with some 1/4" thick
beadboard plywood. This was to replace a thin formica material the PO
paid Grandview to install about 10 years ago that was sagging and curling badly.
The beadboard ply is an improvement, but I'm not thrilled with it.
I'm thinking of trying again with headliner material as others here have done.
Saw it in someone's coach and was impressed with the sound deadening quality.
I think the matte texture will also tend to hide flaws better. A photo site
search of "headliner" yields some great ideas and pictures.
This seems to be the stuff:
http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
My questions to folks who've used this, typically on 1/8" thick plywood or other thin substrate:
1) did the thin plywood tend to sag over time in between the supports?
If not, did you glue/screw the plywood to the ceiling ribs?
I'd like to keep the ceiling removable for the inevitable repairs/additions,
but also don't want sags. Smaller sections are easier to support, but
how small does it have to be to stay flat? Any tips/tricks to get it
to stay put and looking good?
2) did you use foam under the headliner material (eg 1/8 or 1/4 landau foam), or just
glue it to the board? If you used foam, how has it held up over time?
3) any comments on the durability or clean-ability of this material?
4) suggestions on the best brand of glue to use, or how much is required?
5) anything you'd do differently??
thanks much,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156082 is a reply to message #156067] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 14:37 |
Carl S.
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That is a great looking ceiling, Howard. It reminds me of the cabin Kathy and I rented for a few days on a trip to the Great Smokey Mountains. I imagine it gives you that same feeling. 
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156086 is a reply to message #156082] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 14:52 |
UziYaH
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Hi Carl, ...Yes, this is a great ceiling to wake up to in the morning. In my youth, I was a wooden boat nut and like to pretend I am back on our old sail boat "Whisper", only now on wheels.
Wow, Tucson! My wife and I are from the great South West, including eighteen months in Tucson, before moving to Hawaii, and we now live a stones throw from the Smokes. Small world. You must come to see us if in this neck of the woods again.
Thanks for your kind words. Always appreciated.
Howard ~n~ Doreen Nylander
Royale Class of '78', 'Rocinante'
Greeneville, Tn.
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From: Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag
That is a great looking ceiling, Howard. It reminds me of the cabin Kathy and I rented for a few days on a trip to the Great Smokey Mountains. I imagine it gives you that same feeling. :)
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Carl S.
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156088 is a reply to message #156086] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 15:13 |
Carl S.
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Location: Tucson, AZ.
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| UziYaH wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 13:52 |
Hi Carl, ...Yes, this is a great ceiling to wake up to in the morning. In my youth, I was a wooden boat nut and like to pretend I am back on our old sail boat "Whisper", only now on wheels.
Wow, Tucson! My wife and I are from the great South West, including eighteen months in Tucson, before moving to Hawaii, and we now live a stones throw from the Smokes. Small world. You must come to see us if in this neck of the woods again.
Thanks for your kind words. Always appreciated.
Howard ~n~ Doreen Nylander
Royale Class of '78', 'Rocinante'
Greeneville, Tn.
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From: Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag
That is a great looking ceiling, Howard. It reminds me of the cabin Kathy and I rented for a few days on a trip to the Great Smokey Mountains. I imagine it gives you that same feeling.
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Carl S.
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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Thanks for the invite, Howard. My wife lived in Nashville for about five years and wanted to take me back there to show me around. We have been to Nashville, Knoxville (and the Great Smokies and vicinity) and Memphis. We are not likely to get back that way any time soon as we still have several other states to visit (we are shooting for all 50).
Be sure and look us up if you ever get out our way again.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156130 is a reply to message #156056] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 18:47 |
Ken Henderson
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Location: Americus, GA
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Karen,
The tile board, IIRC, is about 3/16" thick. I cut it to fit exactly into
the channels at the top of the upper longitudinal member. I placed each
end of a cut section into the channel on each side, forming a "U", or
belly. When I pushed the center of the U up to the ribs, the piece popped
into place, with the "U" now inverted. No scoring nor other tricks needed.
I used a few pop rivets to make sure the panels couldn't somehow return to
the upright "U" position, but they mostly hold themselves in place. I did
not need, nor use, any padding; the carpet is enough thicker than the
headliner material to make its use superfluous. Adding it might improve
insulation slightly, but would add greatly to the difficulty of
installation and probably be less durable.
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM, KB wrote:
> > For substrate I used "tile board", a masonite product coated on one side
> > with melamine and used for cheap lining of shower baths. It's almost
> > totally impervious to water, especially on the melamine side. I
> installed
> > the coated side up to ensure that any water leaks would not cause damage.
>
> Thanks Ken. Do you recall how thick the tile board is? It was a real
> pain to bend the 1/4" plywood to the curves -- I had to score the
> back a lot to get it to bend without breaking, and it still doesn't
> look quite right in places.
>
> Did you glue/screw the masonite to the ceiling? Sounds like the carpet
> was thick enough you didn't need foam under it? Or did the carpet
> have a foam backing?
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156224 is a reply to message #155991] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 11:57 |
KB
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Howard, your coach is gorgeous. It's one of the reasons I went with beadboard.
But, while yours looks great, ours looks... saggy. The lines of the beading
really accentuate every ripple and sag. That's what I get for trying to be
"clever" and keep the ceiling removable.
Oh well, I'll figure something out.
thanks,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'
> Hi Karen, ...while this might not be for everyone, perhaps you might like this.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5159
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> Its been up there for three years now, with no problems. I used Liquid Nails as glue, with stainless steel screws into the cross ribs where you see the oak beams. I used cedar closet material for the longitudinals, all material purchased at Lowe's.
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| Re: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag [message #156233 is a reply to message #156067] |
Tue, 10 January 2012 14:07 |
Kudzu
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Location: Marshville, NC
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Howard,
I doesn't look like you took out any cabinets to do this? Did you use
any kind of liner between the cedar and the roof?
Thanks for any info!
Dan in NC
Caregiver to a 1976 Eleganza II
"Tzetze Fly"
On 1/9/2012 1:26 PM, Howard Nylander wrote:
> Hi Karen, ...while this might not be for everyone, perhaps you might like this.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5159
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> Its been up there for three years now, with no problems. I used Liquid Nails as glue, with stainless steel screws into the cross ribs where you see the oak beams. I used cedar closet material for the longitudinals, all material purchased at Lowe's.
>
> Cleaning, fine steel wool as the cedar begins to oxidase and to re-freshen the cedar smell.
>
>
> Howard Nylander
> Royale Class of '78', 'Rocinante'
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> Greeneville, Tn.
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> ________________________________
> From: KB<kab7@sonic.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 7:33 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] preventing new headliner sag
>
> I redid the headliner recently on our 26' coach with some 1/4" thick
> beadboard plywood. This was to replace a thin formica material the PO
> paid Grandview to install about 10 years ago that was sagging and curling badly.
> The beadboard ply is an improvement, but I'm not thrilled with it.
>
> I'm thinking of trying again with headliner material as others here have done.
> Saw it in someone's coach and was impressed with the sound deadening quality.
> I think the matte texture will also tend to hide flaws better. A photo site
> search of "headliner" yields some great ideas and pictures.
>
> This seems to be the stuff:
> http://www.perfectfit.com/15593/154092/Marine-Carpet-and-Hulliner/Hulliner-and-Headliner-72.html
>
> My questions to folks who've used this, typically on 1/8" thick plywood or other thin substrate:
> 1) did the thin plywood tend to sag over time in between the supports?
> If not, did you glue/screw the plywood to the ceiling ribs?
> I'd like to keep the ceiling removable for the inevitable repairs/additions,
> but also don't want sags. Smaller sections are easier to support, but
> how small does it have to be to stay flat? Any tips/tricks to get it
> to stay put and looking good?
>
> 2) did you use foam under the headliner material (eg 1/8 or 1/4 landau foam), or just
> glue it to the board? If you used foam, how has it held up over time?
>
> 3) any comments on the durability or clean-ability of this material?
>
> 4) suggestions on the best brand of glue to use, or how much is required?
>
> 5) anything you'd do differently??
>
> thanks much,
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'
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