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Dennis S
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Last year I used Oatey plumbers putty (for stainless connections and setting sinks) from Lowes (big box home inprovement store) to reseal the toilet flange in the wet bath. The old putty (37 years old) was still soft/gummy. The Oatey putty has dried out -- even though it advertises to remain pliable and soft. Oatey now has a granite countertop putty (more expensive) that also claims to remain soft.
Anyone have a recommendation for a putty that will seal and remain soft and flexible. Would prefer not to do this too often.
http://goo.gl/YAOCL
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Dennis
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| Re: Plumbers putty recommendation [message #155040 is a reply to message #155038] |
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Dennis
I used "dum-dum" available at auto parts stores or at the box stores in the weather stripping section. Looks like a ribbon roll of putty. Also good for sealing small holes in firewall and other spots where PO's have made penetrations.
JWID
Randall | Dennis S wrote on Sun, 01 January 2012 16:24 |
Last year I used Oatey plumbers putty (for stainless connections and setting sinks) from Lowes (big box home inprovement store) to reseal the toilet flange in the wet bath. The old putty (37 years old) was still soft/gummy. The Oatey putty has dried out -- even though it advertises to remain pliable and soft. Oatey now has a granite countertop putty (more expensive) that also claims to remain soft.
Anyone have a recommendation for a putty that will seal and remain soft and flexible. Would prefer not to do this too often.
http://goo.gl/YAOCL
Thanks,
Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #155091 is a reply to message #155038] |
Mon, 02 January 2012 09:34 |
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Buy a 'toilet ring' from Lowe's. Made of beeswax, they don't harden.
--johnny
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Subject: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation
Last year I used Oatey plumbers putty (for stainless connections and setting sinks) from Lowes (big box home inprovement store) to reseal the toilet flange in the wet bath. The old putty (37 years old) was still soft/gummy. The Oatey putty has dried out -- even though it advertises to remain pliable and soft. Oatey now has a granite countertop putty (more expensive) that also claims to remain soft.
Anyone have a recommendation for a putty that will seal and remain soft and flexible. Would prefer not to do this too often.
http://goo.gl/YAOCL
Thanks,
Dennis
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73 Painted Desert 230
Germantown, TN
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| Re: Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190031 is a reply to message #155038] |
Mon, 12 November 2012 16:57 |
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I need to reseal the flange under my toilet also. Washed out the shower floor after working on it and noticed water on the floor. ..sooo ran water in the toilet, shower drain, sink, etc, no leak so I guess its leaking around the flange. Anyone know the best way to fix this?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190066 is a reply to message #190031] |
Mon, 12 November 2012 18:58 |
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When you find out, let me know. When I was flushing the blackwater tank prior to repairing it, the last thing out was the very frayed and torn toilet seal. I got another from Frady, but I'm not sure how to get the throne off the floor and drain and the seal back under it.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Joe Kemenczky <toyomojoe@live.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation
I need to reseal the flange under my toilet also. Washed out the shower floor after working on it and noticed water on the floor. ..sooo ran water in the toilet, shower drain, sink, etc, no leak so I guess its leaking around the flange. Anyone know the best way to fix this?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190068 is a reply to message #190066] |
Mon, 12 November 2012 19:06 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:58 |
When you find out, let me know. When I was flushing the blackwater tank prior to repairing it, the last thing out was the very frayed and torn toilet seal. I got another from Frady, but I'm not sure how to get the throne off the floor and drain and the seal back under it.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Joe Kemenczky <toyomojoe@live.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation
I need to reseal the flange under my toilet also. Washed out the shower floor after working on it and noticed water on the floor. ..sooo ran water in the toilet, shower drain, sink, etc, no leak so I guess its leaking around the flange. Anyone know the best way to fix this?
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Removing the toilet -- depends on the model and bdub.net has a number of operatiing manuals online.
On mine there were two screw assemblies holding it to the flange. The toilet seal to the flange is a foam rubber -- available at most RV shops for under $5.
As I mentioned in my original post the flange on my coach is sealed to the bath module floor with putty -- and the Oatey plumber's putty dried out. So I am now planning to replace with either the string caulk used for windows or duct sealer (electrical dept at Lowes)
Here is the photo link to the flange assembly...
http://goo.gl/YAOCL
Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190069 is a reply to message #190068] |
Mon, 12 November 2012 19:29 |
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Could you use the putty tape used for roof vents etc?
Joe Kemenczky..
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190071 is a reply to message #190069] |
Mon, 12 November 2012 19:32 |
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| toyomojoe wrote on Mon, 12 November 2012 19:29 |
Could you use the putty tape used for roof vents etc?
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Joe,
I am not sure -- you also want to coat/cover the screws that retain the flange to the floor.
Dennis
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190074 is a reply to message #190031] |
Mon, 12 November 2012 19:35 |
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DO NOT use plumbers putty under your toilet. It will not hold. RV
toilet use a round foam rubber seal between the toilet and the
flange. You can get them at any RV supply. They are under $5 and
most of the time less.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Joe Kemenczky wrote:
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> I need to reseal the flange under my toilet also. Washed out the
> shower floor after working on it and noticed water on the
> floor. ..sooo ran water in the toilet, shower drain, sink, etc, no
> leak so I guess its leaking around the flange. Anyone know the best
> way to fix this?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190081 is a reply to message #190068] |
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| Dennis S wrote on Mon, 12 November 2012 20:06 |
| Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 12 November 2012 18:58 |
When you find out, let me know. When I was flushing the blackwater tank prior to repairing it, the last thing out was the very frayed and torn toilet seal. I got another from Frady, but I'm not sure how to get the throne off the floor and drain and the seal back under it.
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Joe Kemenczky <[joe@live.com[/email]>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation
I need to reseal the flange under my toilet also. Washed out the shower floor after working on it and noticed water on the floor. ..sooo ran water in the toilet, shower drain, sink, etc, no leak so I guess its leaking around the flange. Anyone know the best way to fix this?
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Removing the toilet -- depends on the model and bdub.net has a number of operating manuals online.
On mine there were two screw assemblies holding it to the flange. The toilet seal to the flange is a foam rubber -- available at most RV shops for under $5.
As I mentioned in my original post the flange on my coach is sealed to the bath module floor with putty -- and the Oatey plumber's putty dried out. So I am now planning to replace with either the string caulk used for windows or duct sealer (electrical dept at Lowes)
Here is the photo link to the flange assembly...
http://goo.gl/YAOCL
Dennis
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| Dennis S wrote on Mon, 12 November 2012 20:32 |
Joe,
I am not sure -- you also want to coat/cover the screws that retain the flange to the floor.
Dennis
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Whoa Boys,
We have two very different things going on here.
First the seal between the pot and the piece in the floor (called a sanitary flange is only a gas seal. In a residential installation it is typically a wax ring, but vibration there is only and issue in California. Some manufactures are supplying elastomeric (rubber like) parts for this. The thing is that the wax will last nearly as long as a ceramic toilet.
The rubber seal used in RVs fits on a spigot on the bottom of the pot. That spigot also goes into the flange. The wax ring used in residential does the same, but it seems to like to be in the flange when you lift the pot and people often put it back there.
Second is sealing the sanitary flange to the floor of the head. This only matters if you have a wet bath and use the shower. The entire flange has to be sealed from water intrusion so the plywood substructure does not get enough moisture to start to rot. It is a good plan to seal around the flange and screw heads with caulk or putty. I would not use putty but it will harden and is not very flexible.
The other part of this discussion has been how to unbolt the pot from the flange. This is relatively simple with all versions of RV pots, but with no clue at all what you are trying to remove (by manufacturer and model) there is no way I can tell you anything more than to look for 2ea 5-16 bronze studs. These will take a 1/2 deep well socket or an end wrench. The only universal critical information here is the final fastener tension !! It is substantially ZERO. Any more will break things. Put your weight on the pot, run the nuts down finger tight a then LEAVE Then Alone.
There.....
Questions??
Matt - The guy that once worked at Thetford
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190109 is a reply to message #190081] |
Tue, 13 November 2012 07:01 |
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Well, after a closer look. The toilet has a seal to the flange - I suspect it's wax. However, there was another which was like foam in a cover where the stub pipe from the flange enters the nipple on the blackwater tank, and it's the one which departed. And which I got a replacement for it from Frady, it was like $5 or so. It looks like I have to unship the toilet, then unscrew the flange and it's short pipe and install the new seal, then put the flange back and remount the toilet. I hope. It's a dry bath, so sealing to the floor isn't a concern. And, it's a Thetford 'aqua - magic' which I suspect was shipped with the coach from Norris. Has a slide on the bottom to flush. Which slowly leaks down, but doesn't cause a peroblem. My concern is the light I can see looking down through the opening, which is where what you refer to as the 'spigot' pipe extends down into the tank. Ain't no seal there, if light can intrude, blackwater can
slop out when the tank is near full. Baaaad juju. I think moverment of the tank over the years has caused this one to work its way into the pipe and then a couple weeks ago into the tank itself. I duplicated it from Frady, it should go back the same.
--johnny
From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation
Whoa Boys,
We have two very different things going on here.
First the seal between the pot and the piece in the floor (called a sanitary flange is only a gas seal. In a residential installation it is typically a wax ring, but vibration there is only and issue in California. Some manufactures are supplying elastomeric (rubber like) parts for this. The thing is that the wax will last nearly as long as a ceramic toilet.
The rubber seal used in RVs fits on a spigot on the bottom of the pot. That spigot also goes into the flange. The wax ring used in residential does the same, but it seems to like to be in the flange when you lift the pot and people often put it back there.
Second is sealing the sanitary flange to the floor of the head. This only matters if you have a wet bath and use the shower. The entire flange has to be sealed from water intrusion so the plywood substructure does not get enough moisture to start to rot. It is a good plan to seal around the flange and screw heads with caulk or putty. I would not use putty but it will harden and is not very flexible.
The other part of this discussion has been how to unbolt the pot from the flange. This is relatively simple with all versions of RV pots, but with no clue at all what you are trying to remove (by manufacturer and model) there is no way I can tell you anything more than to look for 2ea 5-16 bronze studs. These will take a 1/2 deep well socket or an end wrench. The only universal critical information here is the final fastener tension !! It is substantially ZERO. Any more will break things. Put your weight on the pot, run the nuts down finger tight a then LEAVE Then Alone.
There.....
Questions??
Matt - The guy that once worked at Thetford
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190111 is a reply to message #190109] |
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Johnny,
These documents might help with the task at hand:
http://www.bdub.net/manuals/Aqua_Magic_Galaxy_Toilet_Op.pdf
http://www.bdub.net/manuals/thetford-toilet.pdf
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Well, after a closer look. The toilet has a seal to the flange - I suspect it's wax. However, there was another which was like
foam in a cover where the stub pipe from the flange enters the nipple on the blackwater tank, and it's the one which departed. And
which I got a replacement for it from Frady, it was like $5 or so. It looks like I have to unship the toilet, then unscrew the
flange and it's short pipe and install the new seal, then put the flange back and remount the toilet. I hope. It's a dry bath, so
sealing to the floor isn't a concern. And, it's a Thetford 'aqua - magic' which I suspect was shipped with the coach from Norris.
Has a slide on the bottom to flush. Which slowly leaks down, but doesn't cause a peroblem. My concern is the light I can see
looking down through the opening, which is where what you refer to as the 'spigot' pipe extends down into the tank. Ain't no seal
there, if light can intrude, blackwater can
slop out when the tank is near full. Baaaad juju. I think moverment of the tank over the years has caused this one to work its
way into the pipe and then a couple weeks ago into the tank itself. I duplicated it from Frady, it should go back the same.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190117 is a reply to message #190111] |
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Second one's the score. Thanks!
--johnny
'76 23' transmode norris
'76 palm beach
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation
Johnny,
These documents might help with the task at hand:
http://www.bdub.net/manuals/Aqua_Magic_Galaxy_Toilet_Op.pdf
http://www.bdub.net/manuals/thetford-toilet.pdf
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Bridges
Well, after a closer look. The toilet has a seal to the flange - I suspect it's wax. However, there was another which was like
foam in a cover where the stub pipe from the flange enters the nipple on the blackwater tank, and it's the one which departed. And
which I got a replacement for it from Frady, it was like $5 or so. It looks like I have to unship the toilet, then unscrew the
flange and it's short pipe and install the new seal, then put the flange back and remount the toilet. I hope. It's a dry bath, so
sealing to the floor isn't a concern. And, it's a Thetford 'aqua - magic' which I suspect was shipped with the coach from Norris.
Has a slide on the bottom to flush. Which slowly leaks down, but doesn't cause a peroblem. My concern is the light I can see
looking down through the opening, which is where what you refer to as the 'spigot' pipe extends down into the tank. Ain't no seal
there, if light can intrude, blackwater can
slop out when the tank is near full. Baaaad juju. I think moverment of the tank over the years has caused this one to work its
way into the pipe and then a couple weeks ago into the tank itself. I duplicated it from Frady, it should go back the same.
--johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] Plumbers putty recommendation [message #190130 is a reply to message #190111] |
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Guys,
If you look on page 3 of 6 of the first document it shows the flange
seal that goes between the toilet and the flange. It is a semi-soft
foam like rubber. The toilet is not like a home toilet and you don't
use a wax seal or plumbers putty. It is an under $4 item you can get
at any RV supply. All the RV toilets use them. Simple and effective,
no more no less. Don't make it any harder than it needs to be.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Johnny,
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> These documents might help with the task at hand:
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> http://www.bdub.net/manuals/Aqua_Magic_Galaxy_Toilet_Op.pdf
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> http://www.bdub.net/manuals/thetford-toilet.pdf
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnny Bridges
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> Well, after a closer look. The toilet has a seal to the flange - I
> suspect it's wax. However, there was another which was like
> foam in a cover where the stub pipe from the flange enters the
> nipple on the blackwater tank, and it's the one which departed. And
> which I got a replacement for it from Frady, it was like $5 or so.
> It looks like I have to unship the toilet, then unscrew the
> flange and it's short pipe and install the new seal, then put the
> flange back and remount the toilet. I hope. It's a dry bath, so
> sealing to the floor isn't a concern. And, it's a Thetford 'aqua -
> magic' which I suspect was shipped with the coach from Norris.
> Has a slide on the bottom to flush. Which slowly leaks down, but
> doesn't cause a peroblem. My concern is the light I can see
> looking down through the opening, which is where what you refer to
> as the 'spigot' pipe extends down into the tank. Ain't no seal
> there, if light can intrude, blackwater can
> slop out when the tank is near full. Baaaad juju. I think
> moverment of the tank over the years has caused this one to work its
> way into the pipe and then a couple weeks ago into the tank itself.
> I duplicated it from Frady, it should go back the same.
>
> --johnny
>
>
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Matt,
Avion's have the same setup; riser screwed into the top of the black tank - foam rubber seal between the riser and the toilet.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Colie
Johnny,
Now that we all are headed in the right direction:
http://www.rvpartsoutlet.com/product_info.php?cPath=845_98&products_id=7431
Is the rubber grommet that is often used to seal the opening where the toilet riser enters. These actually didn't come into favor
until the later 70's.
Many here won't know about this because most of the GM fit coaches have the riser screwed into the top of the black tank.
Matt
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