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shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #153922] Wed, 21 December 2011 13:43 Go to next message
glacierfl   United States
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Hello,
I saw a GMC with a shortened exaust syatem.

The pipes came out under the body a few feet behind the drivers seat, with i think a stainless steel guard fitted.

Would seem a good idea to stop heating up the underside, fuel tanks etc.

Also running the engine while in the back bedroom, you would not have to worry so much about engine exaust fumes getting in the back sectiom.

Yes i know the gen is a problem also, that seems to have been solved with a long extension pipe, that takes the fumes way inro the air.

While on this topic, on the spares coach a 1973, the wooden box covering the Gen was leaking all over the place, allowing CO fumes into the back section.........

If you have an early coach make sure you seal it totally ....

Back on topic :-

I did wonder if the shortened length of the exaust system, could have any detrimental effect on the engine ??. With the shortened lengh, one would think, that a difference in pressure could result ???

Knowing next to nothing about exaust systems, i thought some of you out there would have some good advice on this topic.

cheers and beers


Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT
Re: [GMCnet] shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #153927 is a reply to message #153922] Wed, 21 December 2011 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ljdavick is currently offline  ljdavick   United States
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Steve & Debbie,

I'm no expert, but from reading this forum I know that some have done it. Some of those who have done it have reinstalled a traditional rear exhaust. The problems that I recall are exhaust gasses entering the side windows and door.

It seems to me that the current trend of 3" exhaust and a single rear muffler is the way to go. I don't think there are any benefits to our slow RPM motors of a short exhaust and the heat issues have been dealt with, mostly.

Just my 2 cents.


Larry Davick
Fremont, California
The Mystery Machine
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Hello,
I saw a GMC with a shortened exaust syatem.

The pipes came out under the body a few feet behind the drivers seat, with i think a stainless steel guard fitted.

Would seem a good idea to stop heating up the underside, fuel tanks etc.

Also running the engine while in the back bedroom, you would not have to worry so much about engine exaust fumes getting in the back sectiom.

Yes i know the gen is a problem also, that seems to have been solved with a long extension pipe, that takes the fumes way inro the air.

While on this topic, on the spares coach a 1973, the wooden box covering the Gen was leaking all over the place, allowing CO fumes into the back section.........

If you have an early coach make sure you seal it totally ....

Back on topic :-

I did wonder if the shortened length of the exaust system, could have any detrimental effect on the engine ??. With the shortened lengh, one would think, that a difference in pressure could result ???

Knowing next to nothing about exaust systems, i thought some of you out there would have some good advice on this topic.

cheers and beers
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Monticello, FL
77 Palm Beach :- Aurora
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Re: shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #153934 is a reply to message #153922] Wed, 21 December 2011 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob de Kruyff   United States
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""I did wonder if the shortened length of the exaust system, could have any detrimental effect on the engine ??. With the shortened lengh, one would think, that a difference in pressure could result ???

""

In our GMC it's not going to make much difference for the engine itself, but as others will point out, there are other parts of the coach that may care.


Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
Re: [GMCnet] shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #153976 is a reply to message #153922] Wed, 21 December 2011 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Steve,

Before you do this check with your state DMV to make sure it's legal.

Regards,
Rob M.

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I saw a GMC with a shortened exaust syatem.

Steve & Debbie

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Re: [GMCnet] shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #153981 is a reply to message #153976] Wed, 21 December 2011 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello Rob,

Yeah likely there is some restriction or other, of which i am not aware, some of which are for our benefit !!!!

By Dingo Smile, how did you get a GMC in Australia ????.

I guess GMC motorhomes, must be as rare as hens teeth over there...

cheers and beers



Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT
Re: [GMCnet] shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154001 is a reply to message #153981] Wed, 21 December 2011 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Steve,

I bought it here all registered and running here. Then I made the BIG mistake of deciding to "make it better" and I'm still not
done! I shoulda fixed all the mechanical issues and used it!

That was really dumb! However, to demonstrate that I am not stupid I DID NOT repeat that mistake with Double Trouble!

At one time I found 14 GMC's here in Australia I reckon that count is now up to around 25.

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Rob M.

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Hello Rob,

Yeah likely there is some restriction or other, of which i am not aware, some of which are for our benefit !!!!

By Dingo :), how did you get a GMC in Australia ????.

I guess GMC motorhomes, must be as rare as hens teeth over there...

cheers and beers

Steve & Debbie

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Re: [GMCnet] shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154025 is a reply to message #154001] Thu, 22 December 2011 01:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob,
We will have to confer the GMC numbers known in Australia I am stuck on 14
so I would like your insight as to who and where are the other 11 that have
eluded me.
4 in Queensland
2 in New South Wales
2 in Victoria ( 1 which has been completely customised)
2 in Tasmania
3 in South Australia
1 in Western Australia

Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)

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> Steve,
>
> I bought it here all registered and running here. Then I made the BIG
> mistake of deciding to "make it better" and I'm still not
> done! I shoulda fixed all the mechanical issues and used it!
>
> That was really dumb! However, to demonstrate that I am not stupid I DID
> NOT repeat that mistake with Double Trouble!
>
> At one time I found 14 GMC's here in Australia I reckon that count is now
> up to around 25.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steve & debbie
>
> Hello Rob,
>
> Yeah likely there is some restriction or other, of which i am not aware,
> some of which are for our benefit !!!!
>
> By Dingo :), how did you get a GMC in Australia ????.
>
> I guess GMC motorhomes, must be as rare as hens teeth over there...
>
> cheers and beers
>
> Steve & Debbie
>
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Re: [GMCnet] shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154030 is a reply to message #154025] Thu, 22 December 2011 07:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Peter,

Did you count the two that were imported but never registered up in Queensland?

Also were you aware of the one in NSW (near Canberra) that has the roo bar on the front?

Did you count the one that has had the sides flattened and converted to LPG?

Somewhere I have a list on my computer of the 14 which I found several years ago but I can't find it.

Regards,
Rob M.
 

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Rob,
We will have to confer the GMC numbers known in Australia I am stuck on 14
so I would like your insight as to who and where are the other 11 that have
eluded me.
4 in Queensland
2 in New South Wales
2 in Victoria ( 1 which has been completely customised)
2 in Tasmania
3 in South Australia
1 in Western Australia

Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)



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Re: shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154040 is a reply to message #153922] Thu, 22 December 2011 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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glacierfl wrote on Wed, 21 December 2011 14:43

Hello,
I saw a GMC with a shortened exaust syatem.
The pipes came out under the body a few feet behind the drivers seat, with i think a stainless steel guard fitted.
Would seem a good idea to stop heating up the underside, fuel tanks etc.
Also running the engine while in the back bedroom, you would not have to worry so much about engine exaust fumes getting in the back sectiom.
Yes i know the gen is a problem also, that seems to have been solved with a long extension pipe, that takes the fumes way inro the air.
While on this topic, on the spares coach a 1973, the wooden box covering the Gen was leaking all over the place, allowing CO fumes into the back section.........
If you have an early coach make sure you seal it totally ....

Back on topic :-
I did wonder if the shortened length of the exaust system, could have any detrimental effect on the engine ??. With the shortened lengh, one would think, that a difference in pressure could result ???
Knowing next to nothing about exaust systems, i thought some of you out there would have some good advice on this topic.
cheers and beers

Steve,

While air flow (both ends) is critical to engine performance, at the speed ranges that we run, it will make little if any difference.

Could it hurt the engine?
Not likely. If the mufflers have been replaced with something with vastly different flow characteristics, this may (MAY) affect the apparent mixture that the carburetor delivers.

If you are worried about reversion causing exhaust intrusion, the easy fix is don't run the main engine when not moving. You should never being doing this anyway, so I see this as a big non-issue. I would worry more about reversion with a side exhaust exit.

As to the heat under the vehicle. That can be improved, but the book is still open on how much it helps with respect to the other possible mods that are known to work and work very well.

Matt


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Re: shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154042 is a reply to message #153922] Thu, 22 December 2011 09:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why not header wrap back will the tail pipe? Aren't you trying to get the heat out of the exhaust? I hear commonly it will crack manifolds but I know myself and several people that have done this for years and years never having a issue.

I want to extend my generator exhaust, I HATE the smell. I think generators are the worst. Nothing like dry camping hearing the generators. I'm really hoping soon only to ever use it as a super emergency backup. But till then I want to extent the pipe. I saw a parts store who sells a flexible one. Maybe I'll buy it and put it on when in use.


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Re: shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154049 is a reply to message #153922] Thu, 22 December 2011 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have talked to two that had the exhaust going out the side. Both liked the idea, but in practical use, found that it was quite noisy in the cockpit, especially in town where the noise would bounce off of curb and buildings back into the coach. One mentioned that under the right crosswinds, the lee side exhaust would come in the windows or door. Both intended to convert back to "out the back" because of the unintended consequence. Just what I heard and FWIW.

Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154053 is a reply to message #154042] Thu, 22 December 2011 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...I bought Camping World's generator exhaust extention...works incredibly well....$130. bucks and comes with a storage bag.
Wow...I should get a commission from these guys Laughing
Re: shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154057 is a reply to message #154053] Thu, 22 December 2011 12:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dan Borlase wrote on Thu, 22 December 2011 11:29

...I bought Camping World's generator exhaust extention...works incredibly well....$130. bucks and comes with a storage bag.
Wow...I should get a commission from these guys Laughing



Dan is that the vertical "gen-turi" vertical stack?


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Re: [GMCnet] shortened exaust system.is this good for engine ?? [message #154062 is a reply to message #154057] Thu, 22 December 2011 12:54 Go to previous message
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You can also build your own.
Information on the web.
Howard
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>
>
> Dan Borlase wrote on Thu, 22 December 2011 11:29
>> ...I bought Camping World's generator exhaust extention...works
>> incredibly well....$130. bucks and comes with a storage bag.
>> Wow...I should get a commission from these guys :lol:
>
>
>
> Dan is that the vertical "gen-turi" vertical stack?
>
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