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Having been an entrepreneur all my adult life, there is an interesting truism that covers most of what we all feel is wrong today with both government and some businesses:
"If you focus all of your company's energy and expertise first on your customer's best interests, then on your employee's best interest, your ownership interest will be well served. If you screw up the order, all three will suffer."
Jerry
Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building in historic Kerby, OR
Visitors always welcome!
glwork@mac.com
http://jerrywork.com
541-592-5360
www.southernoregonguild.org
www.siskiyouguild.org
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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:29:13 +1100
From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Ray,
IMHO a problem with quite a few American corporations is that management went into the hands of financial type guys at the top that
didn't have a passion for the product like Henry Ford, Alfred P. Sloan, and Charles F. Kettering, etc. it is all about the bottom
line.
Regards,
Rob M.
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From: Ray Erspamer
I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.
Ray
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| Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153447 is a reply to message #153362] |
Sun, 18 December 2011 14:49  |
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Oh, Matt, you're beginning to touch on some sore spots.
I was going to respond earlier saying that the decline of the American automotive industry was more than an issue with bean counters and managers who rose to their level of incompetence. The UAWs inflexibility or unrealistic attitude about reality and competition certainly didn't help. The bottom line is that good old American greed (on the part of employer and employee) led to our demise.
For instance, why should a production line worker earn more (without a college degree) than a teacher? I've never been able to figure that one out. And, for that matter, why should an auto executive earn 20 to 30 times more than the guys and gals that actually produce something to sell and service.
Byron
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: 12/18/11 12:21
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
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> It was only a few years ago that the report hit this town like a hurricane. That was the report that said that the median car in this country is nine years old and has over one hundred thousand miles on it. Most of OE management was shocked and surprised. (Truth)
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> I'm glad that you are as positive as you are, but these are the same people that brought us the Revolutionary Volt... A 45,000$us car that only seats four, gets an actual >30MPG on the highway. An, when the regime outlaws coal power plants (2014 plan) you will not be able to afford to charge it at home.
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> I could tell stories of design disasters all night. Fortunately, the quality coming out of the domestics is now absolutely world class. But, General Motors Inc. is no more. (Officially this week GM Co. bought what it wanted from GM inc. and left the rest.)
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> There is hope in Dan Akerson, but as long as the regime and the UAW are holding controlling interest, it is just hope.
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> Thank you for listening, I'll go sit down now....
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153448 is a reply to message #153362] |
Sun, 18 December 2011 14:53 |
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Americans would rather buy cheap than buy American. If quality comes with it, so much the better.
Byron
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> From: John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com>
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> Date: 12/18/11 12:45
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
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> It is amazing how well GM (and Ford and Chrysler for that matter) are doing considering that whenever I pull up to a light and count I am outnumbered by foreign cars. This is in spite of Joe average guy buying foreign and giving so much away year after year to outside economys and believing that foreign product is supperior. Even if it wasn't, wouldn't you give the homeland the benefit of the doubt and if burned maybe switch from GM to Ford instead of throwing in the towel? Perhaps for the big 3 to be surviving all this proves their products are even better than the average guy thinks. Also regarding the Collection, after the big sell off the Heritage is now downsized.
> I heard that some of the decision making on what stayed and what went was another lame brained exercise in bean counting.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153676 is a reply to message #153362] |
Tue, 20 December 2011 07:22 |
Ray Erspamer
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Not sure I've heard that one Rob.
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Ray,
Reminds me of the old "find the fur coat story." ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
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""I'm an engineer Rob, we also like to abuse expense accounts ! LOL
Ray
Now we're talking Ha ha!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153684 is a reply to message #153678] |
Tue, 20 December 2011 08:28 |
Ray Erspamer
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My kind of guy.....I'm a PRO at that stuff !
My boss will see something done and say...."where did that money come
from"....... I just tell him that He doesn't want to know !
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
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Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
----- Original Message ----
From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 7:56:01 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
Ray,
An engineer who works for a company in Florida gets sent to Alaska in the middle
of February. He buys a fur coat. When he comes back
he puts the fur coat on his expense account. The bean counters reject the
expense account noting "we don't pay for clothing!" He
redoes the expense account with the same bottom line. Attaches a note; "find the
fur coat."
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Erspamer
Not sure I've heard that one Rob.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #153740 is a reply to message #153447] |
Tue, 20 December 2011 12:18 |
jhbridges
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Look to the rennasiancwe Hyundai is sell the hell out of new Sonatas... with impeccible quality and value. Kia is setting records. The plants are 70 miles apart on I-85, Hyundai in Montgoemry AL and LaGrange, GA. I ride by both of them on a regular basis. If I go the other way, BMW is stamping theirsout in the Carolinas. Howcome, you ask? Cos us iggerant Southerners appreciate a job and know how to go along to get along. Everyone wins in that labor/management system.
--johnny
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From: Byron Songer <bsonger@songerconsulting.net>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
Oh, Matt, you're beginning to touch on some sore spots.
I was going to respond earlier saying that the decline of the American automotive industry was more than an issue with bean counters and managers who rose to their level of incompetence. The UAWs inflexibility or unrealistic attitude about reality and competition certainly didn't help. The bottom line is that good old American greed (on the part of employer and employee) led to our demise.
For instance, why should a production line worker earn more (without a college degree) than a teacher? I've never been able to figure that one out. And, for that matter, why should an auto executive earn 20 to 30 times more than the guys and gals that actually produce something to sell and service.
Byron
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: 12/18/11 12:21
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
>
> It was only a few years ago that the report hit this town like a hurricane. That was the report that said that the median car in this country is nine years old and has over one hundred thousand miles on it. Most of OE management was shocked and surprised. (Truth)
>
> I'm glad that you are as positive as you are, but these are the same people that brought us the Revolutionary Volt... A 45,000$us car that only seats four, gets an actual >30MPG on the highway. An, when the regime outlaws coal power plants (2014 plan) you will not be able to afford to charge it at home.
>
> I could tell stories of design disasters all night. Fortunately, the quality coming out of the domestics is now absolutely world class. But, General Motors Inc. is no more. (Officially this week GM Co. bought what it wanted from GM inc. and left the rest.)
>
> There is hope in Dan Akerson, but as long as the regime and the UAW are holding controlling interest, it is just hope.
>
> Thank you for listening, I'll go sit down now....
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumière (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #177165 is a reply to message #153362] |
Wed, 18 July 2012 12:31 |
Kim David McNeill Sim
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All of that works as long as companies keep the bean counters in their rooms and never let them make a final decision concerning the company. Advise is one thing, but final decisions are another, I have seen how they can almost destroy a company because they did not understand what made the company succeed. Bean counters are the original out source proponents in the country.
Kim
Kim and Pat Simmons
'76 Eleganza II
New Richmond, Ohio
TZE166V101526
On Dec 17, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Work Jerry wrote:
> Having been an entrepreneur all my adult life, there is an interesting truism that covers most of what we all feel is wrong today with both government and some businesses:
>
> "If you focus all of your company's energy and expertise first on your customer's best interests, then on your employee's best interest, your ownership interest will be well served. If you screw up the order, all three will suffer."
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed and hand crafted in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building in historic Kerby, OR
> Visitors always welcome!
> glwork@mac.com
> http://jerrywork.com
> 541-592-5360
>
> www.southernoregonguild.org
> www.siskiyouguild.org
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:29:13 +1100
> From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Message-ID: <0102A36825B449EAAA4677875BA2FFB3@DellDesktop>
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> Ray,
>
> IMHO a problem with quite a few American corporations is that management went into the hands of financial type guys at the top that
> didn't have a passion for the product like Henry Ford, Alfred P. Sloan, and Charles F. Kettering, etc. it is all about the bottom
> line.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> ?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Erspamer
>
> I've worked in American industry for 40 years and I honestly believe we are
> right where we deserve to be, getting our butts kicked by foreign competition.
> American executives are greedy and short sighted....strategic plans are next
> months stock price.....UGH! I'd better stop.
>
> Ray
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum [message #177228 is a reply to message #177165] |
Wed, 18 July 2012 19:08 |
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Kim,
When I was a workin' stiff, I used to say:
Engineers / technicians will tinker a company to death.
Salesmen / marketeers will spend a company to death.
Accountants will penny pinch a company to death.
However, if Management can get them to cooperate they'll succeed!
Regards,
Rob M.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:31 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GM Heritage Museum
All of that works as long as companies keep the bean counters in their rooms and never let them make a final decision concerning the
company. Advise is one thing, but final decisions are another, I have seen how they can almost destroy a company because they did
not understand what made the company succeed. Bean counters are the original out source proponents in the country.
Kim
Kim and Pat Simmons
'76 Eleganza II
New Richmond, Ohio
TZE166V101526
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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