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Thu, 01 December 2011 12:51  |
Gary Worobec
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Off the heating heating topic but something that relates. In all of our camping vehicles (now the GMC) I've always installed a fixed propane light. You get them from Cabella's or most any good camp supplier. Not only do they save battery power in the evening but just throw out enough heat to take the chill away. Ours is mounted over the stove in the galley. Uses standard Coleman mantles. I also have one in the house (since we are on propane). We've used it many times in power outages. Since we've installed all LED overhead lights in the coach it's not that much of a deal but sure is nice to have from time to time.
Ours is very similar to this one.
http://tinyurl.com/6m88qax
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151196 is a reply to message #151190] |
Thu, 01 December 2011 13:46  |
Ray Erspamer
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This is a great idea, only trick I see if finding a place to mount it in our
Royale.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
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Subject: [GMCnet] propane lighting
Off the heating heating topic but something that relates. In all of our camping
vehicles (now the GMC) I've always installed a fixed propane light. You get them
from Cabella's or most any good camp supplier. Not only do they save battery
power in the evening but just throw out enough heat to take the chill away. Ours
is mounted over the stove in the galley. Uses standard Coleman mantles. I also
have one in the house (since we are on propane). We've used it many times in
power outages. Since we've installed all LED overhead lights in the coach it's
not that much of a deal but sure is nice to have from time to time.
Ours is very similar to this one.
http://tinyurl.com/6m88qax
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151226 is a reply to message #151190] |
Thu, 01 December 2011 18:53 |
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We had one in the houseboat when I was a kid, and you're right, it kills the chill.
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From: Gary Worobec <gtw5@earthlink.net>
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Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 1:51 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] propane lighting
Off the heating heating topic but something that relates. In all of our camping vehicles (now the GMC) I've always installed a fixed propane light. You get them from Cabella's or most any good camp supplier. Not only do they save battery power in the evening but just throw out enough heat to take the chill away. Ours is mounted over the stove in the galley. Uses standard Coleman mantles. I also have one in the house (since we are on propane). We've used it many times in power outages. Since we've installed all LED overhead lights in the coach it's not that much of a deal but sure is nice to have from time to time.
Ours is very similar to this one.
http://tinyurl.com/6m88qax
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151236 is a reply to message #151190] |
Thu, 01 December 2011 19:49 |
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| Gary Worobec wrote on Thu, 01 December 2011 10:51 |
Off the heating heating topic but something that relates. In all of our camping vehicles (now the GMC) I've always installed a fixed propane light. You get them from Cabella's or most any good camp supplier. Not only do they save battery power in the evening but just throw out enough heat to take the chill away.
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
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As I recall they produce about 1500 Btuh of heat. And yes they use oxygen so they produce carbon dioxide and water vapor when burning. They would only produce carbon monoxide (the bad stuff) if there was not enough oxygen. Most GMC's are pretty air leaky, so I would not be too concerned about CO issues with the amount of O2 they use vs. the leak rate of the rigs. There is always some danger of course.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151402 is a reply to message #151190] |
Fri, 02 December 2011 23:16 |
Larry C
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That is a nice looking gas lamp.
When I was a kid, my grand parents neighbor was building a camper. Being the nosey and learning kid that I was, I watched with interest as it rose from a wooden frame to a camper that would be placed behind a pickup truck. They did have electric lights, bulbs at that time, but they also installed a couple of gas lights, much like these. They were intended for long camping in the boons and a low source of heat without using battery power.
The furnace we have has a watt buster fan blower that will kill a battery over night. Any heat you can find that uses no battery assistance is a plus, especially if you boon a lot.
My thoughts.
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151407 is a reply to message #151402] |
Sat, 03 December 2011 00:42 |
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Couldn't find the manual for my Atwood heater, but I'm pretty sure it draws about 7a too. So what's the deal with that? Again don't know the cfm of the blower, but are there no low-amp options for such things?
Jay Rabe
76 PB
Portland, OR
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> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:16:21 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting
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> That is a nice looking gas lamp.
> When I was a kid, my grand parents neighbor was building a camper. Being the nosey and learning kid that I was, I watched with interest as it rose from a wooden frame to a camper that would be placed behind a pickup truck. They did have electric lights, bulbs at that time, but they also installed a couple of gas lights, much like these. They were intended for long camping in the boons and a low source of heat without using battery power.
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> The furnace we have has a watt buster fan blower that will kill a battery over night. Any heat you can find that uses no battery assistance is a plus, especially if you boon a lot.
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> My thoughts.
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151410 is a reply to message #151407] |
Sat, 03 December 2011 05:44 |
Ken Burton
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7 amps is quite a bit but it does not run all the time. I have never run my batteries all the way down. If it concerns you that much, put a low voltage detector on the furnace and shut it off before the battery is completely dead. Bob Sobrito was assembling and selling them to GMCers a few years back.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151415 is a reply to message #151410] |
Sat, 03 December 2011 07:29 |
Ken Henderson
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I don't have, want, or intend to need a furnace, but it occurs to me that
those of you concerned about furnace blower motor current draw should be
checking the lubrication of your old motors. For reasons we needn't
discuss, the current draw of an electric motor is inversely proportional to
its speed. If a motor's bearings are dry, it slows down, and its current
draw skyrockets.
If the specified current draw is 7A, you should put an ammeter in the
supply wire and see if that's what your motor is actually drawing. If the
load is higher, pulling the motor and lubricating it may help. If I were
really serious about the load, I'd be trying to find a more efficient
motor, perhaps ball bearing equipped.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
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> 7 amps is quite a bit but it does not run all the time. I have never run
> my batteries all the way down. If it concerns you that much, put a low
> voltage detector on the furnace and shut it off before the battery is
> completely dead. Bob Sobrito was assembling and selling them to GMCers a
> few years back.
> --
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151494 is a reply to message #151407] |
Sat, 03 December 2011 21:50 |
Gary Worobec
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Any of those Atwood/Suburban furnaces just suck the power. We just got back
from a bike trip to the desert. It got down to about 36F. We used the
furnace a couple of times and ours is pretty new. You can watch the
batteries go down and its noisy. Just pi**es me off to use but it's either
that or whining about it being a little chilly.
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
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From: "Jay Rabe" <jayrabe@hotmail.com>.
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting
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> Couldn't find the manual for my Atwood heater, but I'm pretty sure it
> draws about 7a too. So what's the deal with that? Again don't know the cfm
> of the blower, but are there no low-amp options for such things?
>
> Jay Rabe
> 76 PB
> Portland, OR
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>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> From: slawrence111@yahoo.com
>> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:16:21 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting
>>
>>
>>
>> That is a nice looking gas lamp.
>> When I was a kid, my grand parents neighbor was building a camper. Being
>> the nosey and learning kid that I was, I watched with interest as it rose
>> from a wooden frame to a camper that would be placed behind a pickup
>> truck. They did have electric lights, bulbs at that time, but they also
>> installed a couple of gas lights, much like these. They were intended
>> for long camping in the boons and a low source of heat without using
>> battery power.
>>
>> The furnace we have has a watt buster fan blower that will kill a battery
>> over night. Any heat you can find that uses no battery assistance is a
>> plus, especially if you boon a lot.
>>
>> My thoughts.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d 08-18-04
>> 74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
>> Remflex Manifold gaskets
>>
>> CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
>> http://www.gmceast.com/travel
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151512 is a reply to message #151415] |
Sun, 04 December 2011 04:54 |
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Ken, you must live in cali or aruba or the like
Teeth chattering in seattle
Sully
77 royale
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting
I don't have, want, or intend to need a furnace, but it occurs to me that
those of you concerned about furnace blower motor current draw should be
checking the lubrication of your old motors. For reasons we needn't
discuss, the current draw of an electric motor is inversely proportional to
its speed. If a motor's bearings are dry, it slows down, and its current
draw skyrockets.
If the specified current draw is 7A, you should put an ammeter in the
supply wire and see if that's what your motor is actually drawing. If the
load is higher, pulling the motor and lubricating it may help. If I were
really serious about the load, I'd be trying to find a more efficient
motor, perhaps ball bearing equipped.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
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> 7 amps is quite a bit but it does not run all the time. I have never run
> my batteries all the way down. If it concerns you that much, put a low
> voltage detector on the furnace and shut it off before the battery is
> completely dead. Bob Sobrito was assembling and selling them to GMCers a
> few years back.
> --
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151534 is a reply to message #151512] |
Sun, 04 December 2011 10:07 |
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Sully
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Mike in NS
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 6:54 AM, <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken, you must live in cali or aruba or the like
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> Teeth chattering in seattle
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> Sully
> 77 royale
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:29:40
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting
>
> I don't have, want, or intend to need a furnace, but it occurs to me that
> those of you concerned about furnace blower motor current draw should be
> checking the lubrication of your old motors. For reasons we needn't
> discuss, the current draw of an electric motor is inversely proportional to
> its speed. If a motor's bearings are dry, it slows down, and its current
> draw skyrockets.
>
> If the specified current draw is 7A, you should put an ammeter in the
> supply wire and see if that's what your motor is actually drawing. If the
> load is higher, pulling the motor and lubricating it may help. If I were
> really serious about the load, I'd be trying to find a more efficient
> motor, perhaps ball bearing equipped.
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
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> >
> >
> > 7 amps is quite a bit but it does not run all the time. I have never run
> > my batteries all the way down. If it concerns you that much, put a low
> > voltage detector on the furnace and shut it off before the battery is
> > completely dead. Bob Sobrito was assembling and selling them to GMCers a
> > few years back.
> > --
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #151552 is a reply to message #151494] |
Sun, 04 December 2011 12:10 |
Larry C
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Any of those Atwood/Suburban furnaces just suck the power. We just got back from a bike trip to the desert. It got down to about 36F. We used the furnace a couple of times and ours is pretty new. You can watch the batteries go down and its noisy.
I have to agree.
My former SOB had a heater that was noisey, from the standpoint of air blowing, and it ate the battery down fast. I originally just thought it was the nature of the beast and didn't use it much.
When I came to GMCnet and more comments come up about the furnace eating batteries like candy, I knew it really was the nature of the beast.
When camping in a campground, I will turn on the Air Con heat strip. Mine has kept the camper warm at 30 degrees outside. I have been known to fire up the stove when it really got bad and the batteries were down.
I know there is reisistance to propane heaters that don't use power. especially the ventless blue flame heaters. There are also heaters that use no power that have a vent.
the last word, the furnace is great if you are plugged in to the campground, not so much if you are running off the battery.
My experience
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| Re: [GMCnet] propane lighting [message #152648 is a reply to message #151568] |
Mon, 12 December 2011 11:24 |
Larry C
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Is anyone out there aware of a source of such a heater that would be sized to fit a GMC motorhome (both dimensionally and heating capacity)?
I think you need to think about what you would use it for as with any type of camping.
If you want one that can handle any kind of weather, you'd need a large sized unit.
Blue flame units come in 10,000 btu, 20,000 btu and 30,000 btu.
AS for finding one, a search on the web will show up with a pleathura of heaters and different sizes. (Physical sizes )
Of course there are some that will chime in about ventless and Oxygen deprevation which is why the manufacturer have added Oxy Dep sensors that will shut it down, they will also tell you to open a window just slightly for fresh air. It is similar to using the stove burners in an emergency. The Carbon Monoxide monitor comes in handy here too.
If you only camp in temperatures down to 50's, maybe 40's, there are vented 6kbtu units. They won't keep you warm in mid Winter but do fine to keep warm or chase the chill and are found in the marine catalogs - West Marine in mind ( I have NO AFFILIATION with them ).
In my area, heaters are also sold at Menards, and Farm and Fleet and if you catch them on sale, all the better.
Size wise, depending on the manufacturer, size may differ by size, 10,000 btu units 18 inches wide or less and working up to the 30,000BTU units at 24 inches wide. Watch what you buy, some manufactures just put the smaller BTU units in a 30,000BTU case, I assume it is a cost cutting measure for manufacture.
Watch the words " InfraRed " and " convection " when looking.
Infrared heaters are ok but only heat what is in front of them, and do little to heat the air of the room.
The Blue flame heaters heat the air in the room.
ALWAYS BE SURE the ad says the heater you are interested in is EQUIPPED WITH A THERMOSTAT.
If I were to guess as to size wise
I'd say a 30,000BTU heater is too big BTU wise and physical size.
My thoughts, though I have not actually seen results is that a 10,000 would be the best size for a GMC but I don't know if it can completely heat the space in the cold of Winter. Others may contribute here.
The 20,000BTU should handle the space with little problem butwill be larger than the 10,000BTU heater and smaller than the 30,000BTU heater in physical size.
I don't know how well they work but Mr Heater makes a number of small portable heaters that could be placed on the floor or over the motor cover. They seem to target fishing shacks and small rooms for extra heat and are also made in very portable units. I would read the reviews well before buying this product first.
I have thought about running a propane line with a valve outside the coach with a quick connect. A hose would be connected to the heater and and then would be pushed through an access to to the outside to connect to the outside quick connect.
I prefer to keep the propane connections outside rather than inside the space being heated.
I hope your questions have been answered or at least given you more info on what you ask. Theres a lot of heaters out there, look at them all, they are on the web .
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