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[GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150145]

Sat, 19 November 2011 17:15

Len Novak

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Registered: February 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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Not hot water because the element is toast. I can't get the element to
budge. I've used Kriol and heat..nothing.

Any suggestions?

Len and Pat
1978 Kingsley

The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150154 is a reply to message #150145]

Sat, 19 November 2011 18:21

emerystora

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On Nov 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Len wrote:

> Not hot water because the element is toast. I can't get the element to
> budge. I've used Kriol and heat..nothing.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 Kingsley

I assume that you have the original
GMC electric heater.
This probably has four bolts holding the element.
You may have to drill them out and retap the holes.
If they strip you can put in inserts to hold a new bolt.

If you get it out, I would suggest that you buy an adapter that will accept a screw in element. Home Depot and others carry.

The adapter has a flange with the four bolt holes that you bolt onto the heater. After installing it you never have to remove the 4 bolts again. You just screw in the new element.

You also might want to replace the element with one rated for 240 volts and 4000 watts. When supplied with 120 volts this element only puts out 1000 watts which is ideal for the GMC water heater. That 240 volt element has more surface area and a much heavier heating wire in it. That means that it will not burn out as easily. I have found them cheaper and easier to find than the 120 volt 1000 watt element.

Home Depot, Lowes, ACE Hardware or other stores commonly carry all of these parts.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150158 is a reply to message #150154]

Sat, 19 November 2011 18:41

Len Novak

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Registered: February 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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I replaced the element when I first bought the coach about seven years ago.
It is a stainless steel tank and I put the element it with a special socket
that removed the old element with ease. I pulled that tank at that time.
Hopefully the Kroil will take effect, if not the tank comes out.

Len and Pat
1978 Kingsley

The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:21 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element

On Nov 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Len wrote:

> Not hot water because the element is toast. I can't get the element to
> budge. I've used Kriol and heat..nothing.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 Kingsley

I assume that you have the original
GMC electric heater.
This probably has four bolts holding the element.
You may have to drill them out and retap the holes.
If they strip you can put in inserts to hold a new bolt.

If you get it out, I would suggest that you buy an adapter that will accept
a screw in element. Home Depot and others carry.

The adapter has a flange with the four bolt holes that you bolt onto the
heater. After installing it you never have to remove the 4 bolts again.
You just screw in the new element.

You also might want to replace the element with one rated for 240 volts and
4000 watts. When supplied with 120 volts this element only puts out 1000
watts which is ideal for the GMC water heater. That 240 volt element has
more surface area and a much heavier heating wire in it. That means that it
will not burn out as easily. I have found them cheaper and easier to find
than the 120 volt 1000 watt element.

Home Depot, Lowes, ACE Hardware or other stores commonly carry all of these
parts.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150162 is a reply to message #150158]

Sat, 19 November 2011 19:24

jimk

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Location: Belmont, CA

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On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Len <B52Rule@adelphia.net> wrote:
> I replaced the element when I first bought the coach about seven years ago.
> It is a stainless steel tank and I put the element it with a special socket
> that removed the old element with ease. I pulled that tank at that time.
> Hopefully the Kroil will take effect, if not the tank comes out.
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 Kingsley
>
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:21 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Len wrote:
>
>> Not hot water because the element is toast. I can't get the element to
>> budge. I've used Kriol and heat..nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Len and Pat
>> 1978 Kingsley
>
>
>
> I assume that you have the original
> GMC electric heater.
> This probably has four bolts holding the element.
> You may have to drill them out and retap the holes.
> If they strip you can put in inserts to hold a new bolt.
>
> If you get it out, I would suggest that you buy an adapter that will accept
> a screw in element. Home Depot and others carry.
>
> The adapter has a flange with the four bolt holes that you bolt onto the
> heater. After installing it you never have to remove the 4 bolts again.
> You just screw in the new element.
>
> You also might want to replace the element with one rated for 240 volts and
> 4000 watts. When supplied with 120 volts this element only puts out 1000
> watts which is ideal for the GMC water heater. That 240 volt element has
> more surface area and a much heavier heating wire in it. That means that it
> will not burn out as easily. I have found them cheaper and easier to find
> than the 120 volt 1000 watt element.
>
> Home Depot, Lowes, ACE Hardware or other stores commonly carry all of these
> parts.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150164 is a reply to message #150162]

Sat, 19 November 2011 19:31

jimk

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Registered: July 2006
Location: Belmont, CA

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Get a firm grip on the nut in the one direction then use a large
sledge hammer and give it a good solid wack, the repeat by turning it
another.
You cannot get a solid wack unless your putting the torque on it. You
will need to get two people to do it right.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Len <B52Rule@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> I replaced the element when I first bought the coach about seven years ago.
>> It is a stainless steel tank and I put the element it with a special socket
>> that removed the old element with ease. I pulled that tank at that time.
>> Hopefully the Kroil will take effect, if not the tank comes out.
>>
>> Len and Pat
>> 1978 Kingsley
>>
>> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
>> Fallbrook, CA
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>>
>> www.bdub.net/novak/
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:21 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Len wrote:
>>
>>> Not hot water because the element is toast. I can't get the element to
>>> budge. I've used Kriol and heat..nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Len and Pat
>>> 1978 Kingsley
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume that you have the original
>> GMC electric heater.
>> This probably has four bolts holding the element.
>> You may have to drill them out and retap the holes.
>> If they strip you can put in inserts to hold a new bolt.
>>
>> If you get it out, I would suggest that you buy an adapter that will accept
>> a screw in element. Home Depot and others carry.
>>
>> The adapter has a flange with the four bolt holes that you bolt onto the
>> heater. After installing it you never have to remove the 4 bolts again.
>> You just screw in the new element.
>>
>> You also might want to replace the element with one rated for 240 volts and
>> 4000 watts. When supplied with 120 volts this element only puts out 1000
>> watts which is ideal for the GMC water heater. That 240 volt element has
>> more surface area and a much heavier heating wire in it. That means that it
>> will not burn out as easily. I have found them cheaper and easier to find
>> than the 120 volt 1000 watt element.
>>
>> Home Depot, Lowes, ACE Hardware or other stores commonly carry all of these
>> parts.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
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>
>
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> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150249 is a reply to message #150164]

Sun, 20 November 2011 11:52

Len Novak

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Registered: February 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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I'll give it a try. This is a stainless steel heater and I'm surprised that
the element will not come out

Len and Pat
1978 Kingsley

The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:31 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element

Get a firm grip on the nut in the one direction then use a large
sledge hammer and give it a good solid wack, the repeat by turning it
another.
You cannot get a solid wack unless your putting the torque on it. You
will need to get two people to do it right.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Len <B52Rule@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> I replaced the element when I first bought the coach about seven years
ago.
>> It is a stainless steel tank and I put the element it with a special
socket
>> that removed the old element with ease. �I pulled that tank at that time.
>> Hopefully the Kroil will take effect, if not the tank comes out.
>>
>> Len and Pat
>> 1978 Kingsley
>>
>> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
>> Fallbrook, CA
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>>
>> www.bdub.net/novak/
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:21 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Len wrote:
>>
>>> Not hot water because the element is toast. �I can't get the element to
>>> budge. �I've used Kriol and heat..nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Len and Pat
>>> 1978 Kingsley
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume that you have the original
>> GMC electric heater.
>> This probably has four bolts holding the element.
>> You may have to drill them out and retap the holes.
>> If they strip you can put in inserts to hold a new bolt.
>>
>> If you get it out, I would suggest that you buy an adapter that will
accept
>> a screw in element. �Home Depot and others carry.
>>
>> The adapter has a flange with the four bolt holes that you bolt onto the
>> heater. �After installing it you never have to remove the 4 bolts again.
>> You just screw in the new element.
>>
>> You also might want to replace the element with one rated for 240 volts
and
>> 4000 watts. �When supplied with 120 volts this element only puts out 1000
>> watts which is ideal for the GMC water heater. �That 240 volt element
�has
>> more surface area and a much heavier heating wire in it. �That means that
it
>> will not burn out as easily. �I have found them cheaper and easier to
find
>> than the 120 volt 1000 watt element.
>>
>> Home Depot, Lowes, ACE Hardware or other stores commonly carry all of
these
>> parts.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150250 is a reply to message #150249]

Sun, 20 November 2011 11:58

Ken Burton

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Try a little heat (flame wrench). Actually propane is hot enough. Do not catch your coach on fire. Have a wetting type extinguisher near by (water or foam).

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150271 is a reply to message #150250]

Sun, 20 November 2011 16:31

jimk

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I think I now know why Lories and Ken's wood racers go like hell.
It is the torch.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Try a little heat (flame wrench). Actually propane is hot enough. Do not catch your coach on fire. Have a wetting type extinguisher near by (water or foam).
> --
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150273 is a reply to message #150271]

Sun, 20 November 2011 16:47

Ken Burton

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jimk wrote on Sun, 20 November 2011 16:31

I think I now know why Lories and Ken's wood racers go like hell.
It is the torch.

Do not sniff one of them. We fill them up with propane.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150283 is a reply to message #150273]

Sun, 20 November 2011 17:53

jimk

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Ken,
I'll try to have one that might give you a run in Oklahoma.
I'll leave Lorri alone as she is too fierce.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> jimk wrote on Sun, 20 November 2011 16:31
>> I think I now know why Lories and Ken's wood racers go like hell.
>> It is the torch.
>
> Do not sniff one of them. We fill them up with propane.
> --
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150293 is a reply to message #150283]

Sun, 20 November 2011 19:33

Ken Burton

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See you there. No cheating!

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150706 is a reply to message #150164]

Sat, 26 November 2011 18:03

Len Novak

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Registered: February 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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The new water heater element is in. We had a hard time putting it in
despite cleaning the threads, teflon tape and some anti seize. It took
forever to het the gasket to compress.

New problem......there is a plastic assembly I believe in the return line at
the bottom of the tank with a check valve in it. After 30+ years it broke.
Anyone know what it is and where I can get a new one?

Len and Pat
1978 Kingsley

The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:31 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element

Get a firm grip on the nut in the one direction then use a large
sledge hammer and give it a good solid wack, the repeat by turning it
another.
You cannot get a solid wack unless your putting the torque on it. You
will need to get two people to do it right.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Len <B52Rule@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> I replaced the element when I first bought the coach about seven years
ago.
>> It is a stainless steel tank and I put the element it with a special
socket
>> that removed the old element with ease. �I pulled that tank at that time.
>> Hopefully the Kroil will take effect, if not the tank comes out.
>>
>> Len and Pat
>> 1978 Kingsley
>>
>> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
>> Fallbrook, CA
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>>
>> www.bdub.net/novak/
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
>> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:21 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element
>>
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Len wrote:
>>
>>> Not hot water because the element is toast. �I can't get the element to
>>> budge. �I've used Kriol and heat..nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Len and Pat
>>> 1978 Kingsley
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume that you have the original
>> GMC electric heater.
>> This probably has four bolts holding the element.
>> You may have to drill them out and retap the holes.
>> If they strip you can put in inserts to hold a new bolt.
>>
>> If you get it out, I would suggest that you buy an adapter that will
accept
>> a screw in element. �Home Depot and others carry.
>>
>> The adapter has a flange with the four bolt holes that you bolt onto the
>> heater. �After installing it you never have to remove the 4 bolts again.
>> You just screw in the new element.
>>
>> You also might want to replace the element with one rated for 240 volts
and
>> 4000 watts. �When supplied with 120 volts this element only puts out 1000
>> watts which is ideal for the GMC water heater. �That 240 volt element
�has
>> more surface area and a much heavier heating wire in it. �That means that
it
>> will not burn out as easily. �I have found them cheaper and easier to
find
>> than the 120 volt 1000 watt element.
>>
>> Home Depot, Lowes, ACE Hardware or other stores commonly carry all of
these
>> parts.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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>
>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150733 is a reply to message #150706]

Sun, 27 November 2011 09:15

mike miller

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b52rule wrote on Sat, 26 November 2011 16:03

...
New problem......there is a plastic assembly I believe in the return line at
the bottom of the tank with a check valve in it. After 30+ years it broke.
Anyone know what it is and where I can get a new one?

I would suspect that it was part of a winterizing kit. They are sold almost anywhere that has an RV section.

If all else fails, call Jim! (K or B)

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150734 is a reply to message #150706]

Sun, 27 November 2011 09:30

Bob de Kruyff

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""The new water heater element is in. We had a hard time putting it in
despite cleaning the threads, teflon tape and some anti seize. It took
forever to het the gasket to compress.

New problem......there is a plastic assembly I believe in the return line at
the bottom of the tank with a check valve in it. After 30+ years it broke.
Anyone know what it is and where I can get a new one?

""

Mine broke over 20 years ago. It is designed to prevent hot water from backing up into the cold water system. I removed it and hooked the line directly to the heater and have never had a problem.

Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #150743 is a reply to message #150734]

Sun, 27 November 2011 10:53

Ken Burton

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I've often wondered about the advisability of having the check valve in line. As you heat the water it expands. With the check valve in line you have no place to relieve the pressure except out to the big pressure relief valve. So when you first turn on the hot water you should see higher pressure and flow on the hot side only. I think I removed mine when I revamped the system and installed the hot water bypass valve. I have an expansion tank (accumulator) in the cold system so it will take care of any reasonable expansion and back flow. You still have the safety valve on the water heater in case water tank and water system without the check valve should go over a safe pressure.

It is your choice to replace it or to leave it out.

Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sun, 27 November 2011 09:30

""The new water heater element is in. We had a hard time putting it in
despite cleaning the threads, teflon tape and some anti seize. It took
forever to het the gasket to compress.

New problem......there is a plastic assembly I believe in the return line at
the bottom of the tank with a check valve in it. After 30+ years it broke.
Anyone know what it is and where I can get a new one?

""

Mine broke over 20 years ago. It is designed to prevent hot water from backing up into the cold water system. I removed it and hooked the line directly to the heater and have never had a problem.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Re: [GMCnet] Hot water heater element [message #154915 is a reply to message #150145]

Sat, 31 December 2011 11:44

Len Novak

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I found a perfect replacement for the check valve at a local motor home
repair facility. Just as a brass coupling and good to go.

CAMCO USA � in back flow preventor part number 23303.

$10.00

Len and Pat
1978 Kingsley

The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA

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Subject: Re: Hot water heater element

:

"...there is a plastic assembly I believe in the return line at
the bottom of the tank with a check valve in it. After 30+ years it broke.
Anyone know what it is and where I can get a new one?"

If it is the white plastic item in the attached photo it is a check valve
designed to prevent backflow of hot water into the cold water supply line.

Here is one model, not sure of the thread sizes but the form is correct:
<http://www.smartproducts.com/check_valves_series_200_npt.php#204>
http://www.smartproducts.com/check_valves_series_200_npt.php#204

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #276673 is a reply to message #150145]

Fri, 24 April 2015 23:33

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I, too, have a big black Simpson, but unless I'm in the room with my
electronic junk and the TEK DVM, I nearly always reach for the yellow
digital from Harbor Fright.

ronC
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:56:10 +1000 "Rob Mueller"
writes:
> Johnny,
>
> You are 100% correct! Continuity reads 000!
>
> However, guess who can't remember if he had the Ohms scale selected!
> DOUH!
>
> Yep, I love my big black Simpson!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnny Bridges
>
> Rob, does your ohmmeter really read 000 with open leads? Mine will
> read --- or INF depending on the meter. If it reads 000 opem,
> what does it read when the leads are shorted?
> Another argument for analog VOMs.
>
> --johnny
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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #276674 is a reply to message #276673]

Fri, 24 April 2015 23:55

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<rallymaster wrote on Fri, 24 April 2015 23:33

I, too, have a big black Simpson...

Wish I could say that.

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #276694 is a reply to message #150145]

Sat, 25 April 2015 09:34

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Here ya go, A:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xsimpson+260.TRS0&_nkw=simpson+260&_sacat=0

Now remember, SIMPSON, not JOHNSON Smile

Smile

Smile

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Re: [GMCnet] hot water heater element [message #276701 is a reply to message #276694]

Sat, 25 April 2015 10:52

Matt Colie

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Johnny Bridges wrote on Sat, 25 April 2015 10:34

Here ya go, A:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xsimpson+260.TRS0&_nkw=simpson+260&_sacat=0

Now remember, SIMPSON, not JOHNSON

Oh, My God......
Scroll down the page.
There is a New IN The Box Simpson 260...
Did someone get in a modified Delorian and go get it??
The one on my shelf was inherited from my father and he is 35 years gone. It wasn't new when I first saw it long before that.

Matt

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