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G'day,
I was perusing a list of old GMCnet contributions when I ran across this.
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How should I prepare an Engine for Storage?
Get it warm, change the oil and filter, and make sure the antifreeze is up to strength, and run it 30-45 minutes with the fresh
stuff, and then stall it out with a quart of oil poured fairly rapidly down the carb throat as it idles. It should give one belch
and stall. If you want to force a stall, and have seen the white smoke from the tailpipe, which indicates the oil has passed thru,
unclip the (usually white) HEI connector terminal with your fingernail (marker 'BATT') and the engine will turn off.
Put the air cleaner lid back on, put a plastic bag over the air cleaner snorkel with an elastic and it should be fine as long as you
care to leave it. Ideally a plastic drop sheet beneath the car would help keep the damp from attacking it. Pull the battery and
you're done.
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I'd never heard of doing this before and was wondering what the consensus on doing this was.
Regards,
Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #147882 is a reply to message #147871] |
Wed, 26 October 2011 20:32  |
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Rob, I always prepare engines for long term storage this way but I use
Mercruiser Fogging Oil which is made expressly for winterizing their big
outboards. Never had a problem with any engine that I did that way.
Jim Hupy
Salem,OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> G'day,
>
> I was perusing a list of old GMCnet contributions when I ran across this.
>
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> ********************************************************************************
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> How should I prepare an Engine for Storage?
>
> Get it warm, change the oil and filter, and make sure the antifreeze is up
> to strength, and run it 30-45 minutes with the fresh
> stuff, and then stall it out with a quart of oil poured fairly rapidly down
> the carb throat as it idles. It should give one belch
> and stall. If you want to force a stall, and have seen the white smoke from
> the tailpipe, which indicates the oil has passed thru,
> unclip the (usually white) HEI connector terminal with your fingernail
> (marker 'BATT') and the engine will turn off.
>
> Put the air cleaner lid back on, put a plastic bag over the air cleaner
> snorkel with an elastic and it should be fine as long as you
> care to leave it. Ideally a plastic drop sheet beneath the car would help
> keep the damp from attacking it. Pull the battery and
> you're done.
>
>
> ********************************************************************************
>
> I'd never heard of doing this before and was wondering what the consensus
> on doing this was.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #147890 is a reply to message #147871] |
Wed, 26 October 2011 21:08 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Wed, 26 October 2011 20:22 |
G'day,
I was perusing a list of old GMCnet contributions when I ran across this.
********************************************************************************
How should I prepare an Engine for Storage?
Get it warm, change the oil and filter, and make sure the antifreeze is up to strength, and run it 30-45 minutes with the fresh stuff, and then stall it out with a quart of oil poured fairly rapidly down the carb throat as it idles. It should give one belch and stall. If you want to force a stall, and have seen the white smoke from the tailpipe, which indicates the oil has passed thru, unclip the (usually white) HEI connector terminal with your fingernail (marker 'BATT') and the engine will turn off.
Put the air cleaner lid back on, put a plastic bag over the air cleaner snorkel with an elastic and it should be fine as long as you care to leave it. Ideally a plastic drop sheet beneath the car would help keep the damp from attacking it. Pull the battery and you're done.
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I'd never heard of doing this before and was wondering what the consensus on doing this was.
Regards,
Rob M.
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Rob,
This is real close to what I used to do to about a dozen different engines every autumn. The big difference is that I would get the engine warn and shut off the fuel. About the time the engine started to go lean and stumble, I would start pouring in Marvel Mystery Oil. I would persist in this madness and smoke filled mayhem until the engine died of fuel starvation. The big trick was to not run out of MMO before the engine quit. The nice thing is that this leaves the carburetor just about dry.
Did this work? Well, one engine got put up and the owner got transferred. Seven years later, he got back from the "temporary assignment. The engine didn't start instantly, but it did. And there was 50 gallons of nasty fuel to get rid of, but he ran that boat for another ten seasons.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #147892 is a reply to message #147890] |
Wed, 26 October 2011 21:20 |
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Pouring oil down her throat while running is a good way to hydrolock it and bend a conrod.
Don't do it!!!
misting oil in while it is idling and stalling from running her out of fuel is OK.
Rick M.
1974 26' Canyonlands
aka "The General"
Clinton, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #147917 is a reply to message #147892] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 08:29 |
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| rickmike wrote on Wed, 26 October 2011 22:20 |
Pouring oil down her throat while running is a good way to hydrolock it and bend a conrod.
Don't do it!!!
misting oil in while it is idling and stalling from running her out of fuel is OK.
Rick M.
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Rick,
I have never ever heard of that happening, and if it had ever (and been substantiated) I would have been made aware.
Please, Nothing personal, but this is obviously something you have never done.
This procedure has to be done with the engine hot and the air cleaner or backflash arrestor (marine part) off or open.
You have put your body in there, bent over the hot engine so your face is right over the carburetor (even if you have a large enough pump oiler)- tweaking the throttle shaft to keep it idling and trying to pour oil past the choke plate so it gets shared between the primary venturi. (This is tough with a Qjet because the space between them.) A pump oiler can work up to a nominal small block, but about 400CI you can't get the oil in there fast enough and long enough to do the job effectively. Just to help this along, there is an almost closed throttle plate down there. If you get too big a puddle on that the engine gets real rough and if you crack the throttle a little too much (to keep it running), that oil comes out to find you.
There is simply no way to pour oil into a large running SI engine fast enough to cause it to hydraulic lock. Even if you were to try, an idling 455 is displacing over 10 quarts a second (~13@100% VE). That means that you to would have to try to empty that 1 quart can into the running engine in about 90 milliseconds.
None of this applies to any kind of diesel. Pouring oil into diesel intake is likely to cause a run-away situation that can only be stopped with a CO2 fire extinguisher. Remember most diesels have no air intake throttle.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #147924 is a reply to message #147917] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 09:39 |
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When I went to Blue Mountain Community College Diesel School, we did a lot
of Detroit (GM)
2 stroke Diesels, both the 71 CU IN per Cylinder and the 92 CU IN per
cylinder. All configurations, inline to V16s Any time we had been working on
one and fuel was present in the system up to the injectors, the instructors
were very insistent that we not turn the engines over with a bar or flex
handle if the injectors were in place. In a warm room, the assembly oil plus
the injected diesel from turning the engine over could cause the engine to
fire a cylinder. Not something that you want to have happen when you are
holding onto a wrench on the crank nut. We always had someone on standby
with a CO2 fire bottle when trying to start a freshly rebuilt engine and if
it started to accellerate uncontrolled or "runaway", a couple of short
blasts of CO2 in the intake would control it. I was always very respectfull
of them. But like Matt says, you would have to be pouring a heck of a lot of
oil in a GMC 455 to hydraulic lock it, particularly with it running.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> rickmike wrote on Wed, 26 October 2011 22:20
> > Pouring oil down her throat while running is a good way to hydrolock it
> and bend a conrod.
> >
> > Don't do it!!!
> >
> > misting oil in while it is idling and stalling from running her out of
> fuel is OK.
> >
> > Rick M.
>
> Rick,
>
> I have never ever heard of that happening, and if it had ever (and been
> substantiated) I would have been made aware.
>
> Please, Nothing personal, but this is obviously something you have never
> done.
>
> This procedure has to be done with the engine hot and the air cleaner or
> backflash arrestor (marine part) off or open.
>
> You have put your body in there, bent over the hot engine so your face is
> right over the carburetor (even if you have a large enough pump oiler)-
> tweaking the throttle shaft to keep it idling and trying to pour oil past
> the choke plate so it gets shared between the primary venturi. (This is
> tough with a Qjet because the space between them.) A pump oiler can work up
> to a nominal small block, but about 400CI you can't get the oil in there
> fast enough and long enough to do the job effectively. Just to help this
> along, there is an almost closed throttle plate down there. If you get too
> big a puddle on that the engine gets real rough and if you crack the
> throttle a little too much (to keep it running), that oil comes out to find
> you.
>
> There is simply no way to pour oil into a large running SI engine fast
> enough to cause it to hydraulic lock. Even if you were to try, an idling
> 455 is displacing over 10 quarts a second (~mailto:13@100% VE). That
> means that you to would have to try to empty that 1 quart can into the
> running engine in about 90 milliseconds.
>
> None of this applies to any kind of diesel. Pouring oil into diesel intake
> is likely to cause a run-away situation that can only be stopped with a CO2
> fire extinguisher. Remember most diesels have no air intake throttle.
>
> Matt
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> find
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #147996 is a reply to message #147917] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 20:54 |
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Some day I won't really be smiling when I say I told you so...
My buddy down the street, who has an automotive machine shop has had the customers to prove it!
Rick M.
| Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 27 October 2011 08:29 |
| rickmike wrote on Wed, 26 October 2011 22:20 |
Pouring oil down her throat while running is a good way to hydrolock it and bend a conrod.
Don't do it!!!
misting oil in while it is idling and stalling from running her out of fuel is OK.
Rick M.
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Rick,
I have never ever heard of that happening, and if it had ever (and been substantiated) I would have been made aware.
Please, Nothing personal, but this is obviously something you have never done.
This procedure has to be done with the engine hot and the air cleaner or backflash arrestor (marine part) off or open.
You have put your body in there, bent over the hot engine so your face is right over the carburetor (even if you have a large enough pump oiler)- tweaking the throttle shaft to keep it idling and trying to pour oil past the choke plate so it gets shared between the primary venturi. (This is tough with a Qjet because the space between them.) A pump oiler can work up to a nominal small block, but about 400CI you can't get the oil in there fast enough and long enough to do the job effectively. Just to help this along, there is an almost closed throttle plate down there. If you get too big a puddle on that the engine gets real rough and if you crack the throttle a little too much (to keep it running), that oil comes out to find you.
There is simply no way to pour oil into a large running SI engine fast enough to cause it to hydraulic lock. Even if you were to try, an idling 455 is displacing over 10 quarts a second (~13@100% VE). That means that you to would have to try to empty that 1 quart can into the running engine in about 90 milliseconds.
None of this applies to any kind of diesel. Pouring oil into diesel intake is likely to cause a run-away situation that can only be stopped with a CO2 fire extinguisher. Remember most diesels have no air intake throttle.
Matt
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aka "The General"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #148015 is a reply to message #148008] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 22:34 |
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It might be possible, but highly unlikely that one might pour an excess of oil into the intake AFTER the engine stopped, thinking that extra is better. An extreme excess like this might create the hydraulic lock upon the next attempt to start the engine, potentially bending con rods. This might have been why the engine shop claimed it as a high risk.
Les Burt
Montreal
On 2011-10-27, at 11:05 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Rick,
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> Obviously your buddy deals with motor morons! ;-)
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Michelhaugh
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> Some day I won't really be smiling when I say I told you so...
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> My buddy down the street, who has an automotive machine shop has had the customers to prove it!
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> Rick M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #148021 is a reply to message #148019] |
Fri, 28 October 2011 00:29 |
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That is why fogging oil was developed. To prevent the possibility of some
moron pouring sufficient liquid down the carb throat to hydraulic a
cylinder. It comes in a large aerosol can and sprays out about the same rate
as wasp and hornet spray does. It contains anti rust/corrosion inhibitors.
Kinda spendy, but so is a stuck engine.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Les,
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> Now that makes sense!
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Burt
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> It might be possible, but highly unlikely that one might pour an excess of
> oil into the intake AFTER the engine stopped, thinking
> that extra is better. An extreme excess like this might create the
> hydraulic lock upon the next attempt to start the engine,
> potentially bending con rods. This might have been why the engine shop
> claimed it as a high risk.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #148028 is a reply to message #148021] |
Fri, 28 October 2011 07:12 |
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| James Hupy wrote on Fri, 28 October 2011 01:29 |
That is why fogging oil was developed. To prevent the possibility of some moron pouring sufficient liquid down the carb throat to hydraulic a cylinder. It comes in a large aerosol can and sprays out about the same rate as wasp and hornet spray does. It contains anti rust/corrosion inhibitors.
Kinda spendy, but so is a stuck engine.
Jim Hupy
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Jim,
The spray cans of fogging oil aren't that much more expensive that a bottle of Marvel, but the spray doesn't get around inside the engine that well and many people just don't use enough of it. A very common case is stuck exhaust valve(s), but many have high very high lube oil consumption in following seasons because of cylinder wall damaged. (Many cases as examples.)
An owner though he could get by without removing the back flash arrestor because it was a spray. - Nope
An owner read the "use a quart of oil" part somewhere. (He even used two stroke oil in the hope of not smoking up the yard.) The engine stalled with the quart half gone, so he opened the throttle and poured in the remainder. The his well meaning son tried to re-start the engine. This did do hydraulic lock damage.
I have no doubt that Rick's friend has seen damage attributed to too much oil, but there are people in the world that can mess up even the simplest of common procedures.
With a fifty plus year history (yes, I started at the waterman traditional age of 12) of taking care of other people's engines, I can provide cases and amusing stories for as long as the beer hold out.
Another favorite Albert Einstein (Did you know he was a sailor -too) quote:
There are two things I know of with no limits - the universe and human stupidity - I'm not entirely sure about the universe.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #148031 is a reply to message #148028] |
Fri, 28 October 2011 08:15 |
James Hupy
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Matt, I was trying to hint at the stupid part without being too judgemental.
What you and I think should be blatantly obvious does not apply to everyone.
People do some dumb stuff without thinking it through. My mother used to
tell me, "Don't start vast projects with half vast ideas. I always have a
can of marvel mystery oil around also. Mostly I use fogging oil for 2 stroke
outboards, it works very well to unstick reed valves. Here in Oregon, we do
not get the incredible high humidity that other parts of the country get,
nor the opressive heating/cooling that usually accompanies it. All those
factors are sure to have an effect on stored engines, particularly 4 strokes
with poppet valves. What they need to winterize an engine in that climate,
we never see here in Oregon.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 28 October 2011 01:29
> > That is why fogging oil was developed. To prevent the possibility of some
> moron pouring sufficient liquid down the carb throat to hydraulic a
> cylinder. It comes in a large aerosol can and sprays out about the same rate
> as wasp and hornet spray does. It contains anti rust/corrosion inhibitors.
> > Kinda spendy, but so is a stuck engine.
> > Jim Hupy
>
> Jim,
>
> The spray cans of fogging oil aren't that much more expensive that a bottle
> of Marvel, but the spray doesn't get around inside the engine that well and
> many people just don't use enough of it. A very common case is stuck
> exhaust valve(s), but many have high very high lube oil consumption in
> following seasons because of cylinder wall damaged. (Many cases as
> examples.)
>
> An owner though he could get by without removing the back flash arrestor
> because it was a spray. - Nope
>
> An owner read the "use a quart of oil" part somewhere. (He even used two
> stroke oil in the hope of not smoking up the yard.) The engine stalled with
> the quart half gone, so he opened the throttle and poured in the remainder.
> The his well meaning son tried to re-start the engine. This did do
> hydraulic lock damage.
>
> I have no doubt that Rick's friend has seen damage attributed to too much
> oil, but there are people in the world that can mess up even the simplest of
> common procedures.
>
> With a fifty plus year history (yes, I started at the waterman traditional
> age of 12) of taking care of other people's engines, I can provide cases and
> amusing stories for as long as the beer hold out.
>
> Another favorite Albert Einstein (Did you know he was a sailor -too) quote:
> There are two things I know of with no limits - the universe and human
> stupidity - I'm not entirely sure about the universe.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
> find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #148032 is a reply to message #148028] |
Fri, 28 October 2011 08:30 |
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| Matt Colie wrote on Fri, 28 October 2011 07:12 |
| James Hupy wrote on Fri, 28 October 2011 01:29 |
That is why fogging oil was developed. Jim Hupy
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Jim,
The spray cans of fogging oil aren't that much more expensive that a bottle of Marvel, but the spray doesn't get around inside the engine that well and many people just don't use enough of it. A very common case is stuck exhaust valve(s), but many have high very high lube oil consumption in following seasons because of cylinder wall damaged. (Many cases as examples.)
Matt
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Matt,
Just to be clear -- are you saying the stuck valves are a result of not using enough fogging oil?
Thanks,
Dennis
Dennis S
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Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #148035 is a reply to message #147871] |
Fri, 28 October 2011 11:08 |
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Rob et al,
Can I go back to the original post and ask "what is long term storage?" It seems a lot of GMC's are parked for the off-season and not restarted for six months -- many sit around and are only started after a year or more. Are we suggesting we should use this or some similar procedure?
Thanks,
Dennis
| Robert Mueller wrote on Wed, 26 October 2011 19:22 |
G'day,
I was perusing a list of old GMCnet contributions when I ran across this.
********************************************************************************
How should I prepare an Engine for Storage?
Get it warm, change the oil and filter, and make sure the antifreeze is up to strength, and run it 30-45 minutes with the fresh
stuff, and then stall it out with a quart of oil poured fairly rapidly down the carb throat as it idles. It should give one belch
and stall. If you want to force a stall, and have seen the white smoke from the tailpipe, which indicates the oil has passed thru,
unclip the (usually white) HEI connector terminal with your fingernail (marker 'BATT') and the engine will turn off.
Put the air cleaner lid back on, put a plastic bag over the air cleaner snorkel with an elastic and it should be fine as long as you
care to leave it. Ideally a plastic drop sheet beneath the car would help keep the damp from attacking it. Pull the battery and
you're done.
********************************************************************************
I'd never heard of doing this before and was wondering what the consensus on doing this was.
Regards,
Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure [message #148072 is a reply to message #148031] |
Fri, 28 October 2011 18:57 |
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I take the plugs out of the engine, give all cylinders a couple of ounces of Marvel, and rotate it by hand a couple of turns. then put the plugs back, and consider replacing them when the seasopn returns. On aviation engines, take the top plugags only out, and clean them on restart... av plugs are 'spensive.
--johnny
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Engine Storage Shutdown Procedure
Matt, I was trying to hint at the stupid part without being too judgemental.
What you and I think should be blatantly obvious does not apply to everyone.
People do some dumb stuff without thinking it through. My mother used to
tell me, "Don't start vast projects with half vast ideas. I always have a
can of marvel mystery oil around also. Mostly I use fogging oil for 2 stroke
outboards, it works very well to unstick reed valves. Here in Oregon, we do
not get the incredible high humidity that other parts of the country get,
nor the opressive heating/cooling that usually accompanies it. All those
factors are sure to have an effect on stored engines, particularly 4 strokes
with poppet valves. What they need to winterize an engine in that climate,
we never see here in Oregon.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> James Hupy wrote on Fri, 28 October 2011 01:29
> > That is why fogging oil was developed. To prevent the possibility of some
> moron pouring sufficient liquid down the carb throat to hydraulic a
> cylinder. It comes in a large aerosol can and sprays out about the same rate
> as wasp and hornet spray does. It contains anti rust/corrosion inhibitors.
> > Kinda spendy, but so is a stuck engine.
> > Jim Hupy
>
> Jim,
>
> The spray cans of fogging oil aren't that much more expensive that a bottle
> of Marvel, but the spray doesn't get around inside the engine that well and
> many people just don't use enough of it. A very common case is stuck
> exhaust valve(s), but many have high very high lube oil consumption in
> following seasons because of cylinder wall damaged. (Many cases as
> examples.)
>
> An owner though he could get by without removing the back flash arrestor
> because it was a spray. - Nope
>
> An owner read the "use a quart of oil" part somewhere. (He even used two
> stroke oil in the hope of not smoking up the yard.) The engine stalled with
> the quart half gone, so he opened the throttle and poured in the remainder.
> The his well meaning son tried to re-start the engine. This did do
> hydraulic lock damage.
>
> I have no doubt that Rick's friend has seen damage attributed to too much
> oil, but there are people in the world that can mess up even the simplest of
> common procedures.
>
> With a fifty plus year history (yes, I started at the waterman traditional
> age of 12) of taking care of other people's engines, I can provide cases and
> amusing stories for as long as the beer hold out.
>
> Another favorite Albert Einstein (Did you know he was a sailor -too) quote:
> There are two things I know of with no limits - the universe and human
> stupidity - I'm not entirely sure about the universe.
>
> Matt
> --
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> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air) Just about as stock as you will
> find
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Matt,
From what you, Jim, and others have noted it is important to get enough oil into the engine or it's a waste of time and you don't
want to pour oil in if the engine isn't running as that could cause a hydro lock.
To do so it appears you need to know two things:
1) how long it will take for the engine to die from fuel starvation
2) how fast to pour the oil into the carb so that you run out of oil at the same time the engine dies
So you can provide empirical research to support Albert's theory, eh?!
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Colie
Jim,
The spray cans of fogging oil aren't that much more expensive that a bottle of Marvel, but the spray doesn't get around inside the
engine that well and many people just don't use enough of it. A very common case is stuck exhaust valve(s), but many have high very
high lube oil consumption in following seasons because of cylinder wall damaged. (Many cases as examples.)
An owner though he could get by without removing the back flash arrestor because it was a spray. - Nope
An owner read the "use a quart of oil" part somewhere. (He even used two stroke oil in the hope of not smoking up the yard.) The
engine stalled with the quart half gone, so he opened the throttle and poured in the remainder. Then his well meaning son tried to
re-start the engine. This did do hydraulic lock damage.
I have no doubt that Rick's friend has seen damage attributed to too much oil, but there are people in the world that can mess up
even the simplest of common procedures.
With a fifty plus year history (yes, I started at the waterman traditional age of 12) of taking care of other people's engines, I
can provide cases and amusing stories for as long as the beer hold out.
Another favorite Albert Einstein (Did you know he was a sailor -too) quote:
There are two things I know of with no limits - the universe and human stupidity - I'm not entirely sure about the universe.
Matt
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Sydney, Australia
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