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[GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147689] Mon, 24 October 2011 16:39 Go to next message
KB is currently offline  KB   United States
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I'm trying to get things together to finally install TBI on the coach. One of
the items on my list is a fuel filter. I'd really like one of the transparent
ones; makes it easy to see what's going on. In the past some here have suggested the
Parker Hannifin Racor 025-RAC-02 spin-on filter. Is that still recommended,
or would it be better to find one with higher flow rates? I think that model also
has 5/16" fuel fittings, but as I recall the fuel lines are 3/8". Is that an issue?
Is there a better fit out there, or is the Racor sufficient?

Suggestions appreciated.

thanks,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147691 is a reply to message #147689] Mon, 24 October 2011 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi, Karen and all.

I don't know about motor vehicles, but I'm pretty darned
sure that transparent filters are prohibited in boats that
use gasoline for fuel!

We already have more than enough leak possibilities that
can and have burned GMCs down to the lug nuts!

I suspect that Matt Colie and others who have been involved
in marine matters can confirm.

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> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:39:00 -0700
> From: kab7@sonic.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi?
>
> I'm trying to get things together to finally install TBI on the coach. One of
> the items on my list is a fuel filter. I'd really like one of the transparent
> ones; makes it easy to see what's going on. In the past some here have suggested the
> Parker Hannifin Racor 025-RAC-02 spin-on filter. Is that still recommended,
> or would it be better to find one with higher flow rates? I think that model also
> has 5/16" fuel fittings, but as I recall the fuel lines are 3/8". Is that an issue?
> Is there a better fit out there, or is the Racor sufficient?
>
> Suggestions appreciated.
>
> thanks,
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147709 is a reply to message #147691] Mon, 24 October 2011 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Please, metal filters only on fuel supply lines. Water separating marine
spin on types are great. Those transparent plastic things are a problem
waiting to manifest itself.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:46 PM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hi, Karen and all.
>
> I don't know about motor vehicles, but I'm pretty darned
> sure that transparent filters are prohibited in boats that
> use gasoline for fuel!
>
> We already have more than enough leak possibilities that
> can and have burned GMCs down to the lug nuts!
>
> I suspect that Matt Colie and others who have been involved
> in marine matters can confirm.
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:39:00 -0700
> > From: kab7@sonic.net
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi?
> >
> > I'm trying to get things together to finally install TBI on the coach.
> One of
> > the items on my list is a fuel filter. I'd really like one of the
> transparent
> > ones; makes it easy to see what's going on. In the past some here have
> suggested the
> > Parker Hannifin Racor 025-RAC-02 spin-on filter. Is that still
> recommended,
> > or would it be better to find one with higher flow rates? I think that
> model also
> > has 5/16" fuel fittings, but as I recall the fuel lines are 3/8". Is that
> an issue?
> > Is there a better fit out there, or is the Racor sufficient?
> >
> > Suggestions appreciated.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Karen
> > 1973 23'
> > 1975 26'
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147713 is a reply to message #147689] Mon, 24 October 2011 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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KB wrote on Mon, 24 October 2011 17:39

I'm trying to get things together to finally install TBI on the coach. One of the items on my list is a fuel filter. I'd really like one of the transparent ones; makes it easy to see what's going on. In the past some here have suggested the Parker Hannifin Racor 025-RAC-02 spin-on filter. Is that still recommended, or would it be better to find one with higher flow rates? I think that model also has 5/16" fuel fittings, but as I recall the fuel lines are 3/8". Is that an issue?
Is there a better fit out there, or is the Racor sufficient?

Suggestions appreciated.

thanks,
Karen

Karen,

I am going to make several suggestions.

One is that you go over the Google Groups for GMCEFI and ask there.

The Coast Guard doesn't have any problem with clear bowls on fuel filters, but they do have some serious requirements for them. Just mount it someplace that it can't take a hit from any road debris and of course it will be far enough from the exhaust to not get too hot.

I just looked, and that filter and assembly is rated to 25GPH. Even a GMC can't do that easily.

Matt



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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147723 is a reply to message #147691] Mon, 24 October 2011 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Mac,

I agree with you regarding the cheapy clear plastic fuel filters you can buy at Wal-Mart.

However, here's a link to the Parker / Raycor Marine Gasoline Spin-On Series:

http://tinyurl.com/3mmbwmv

As you can see there are ones that have a transparent portion.

Here's a link to the Parker / Raycor Mobil Fuel Filtration:

http://tinyurl.com/3fr9gct

There are a number with transparent fuel bowls.

As noted in the Fire (Prevention - Warning - Extinguishing - Escape) message the following should be taken into consideration:

FUEL

No rubber lines between mechanical fuel pump and carb inlet or anywhere near the engine or hot surfaces

Verify / install a Quadrajet inlet filter

Install metal aftermarket filter at mechanical fuel pump inlet

Cover rubber line from front crossmember to the inlet of the mechanical fuel pump with water hose

No plastic fuel filters near the engine or in the generator compartment

Fuel filters protected from being hit by road debris and away from exhaust system

I just added the last sentence.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: D C *Mac* Macdonald

Hi, Karen and all.

I don't know about motor vehicles, but I'm pretty darned
sure that transparent filters are prohibited in boats that
use gasoline for fuel!

We already have more than enough leak possibilities that
can and have burned GMCs down to the lug nuts!

I suspect that Matt Colie and others who have been involved
in marine matters can confirm.

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147781 is a reply to message #147689] Tue, 25 October 2011 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I am going to make several suggestions.
> One is that you go over the Google Groups for GMCEFI and ask there.
>
> The Coast Guard doesn't have any problem with clear bowls on fuel filters, but they do have some serious requirements for them. Just mount it someplace that it can't take a hit from any road debris and of course it will be far enough from the exhaust to not get too hot.
>
> I just looked, and that filter and assembly is rated to 25GPH. Even a GMC can't do that easily.

Thanks. I was worried about the description of the filter being for "small engines".
I don't think a 455 qualifies as "small" :-) Sounds like a water separating
spin-on filter is a good thing given our modern fuel supply, though pretty expensive
compared to a conventional filter.

thanks,
Karen
1973 23'
1975 26'

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147782 is a reply to message #147781] Tue, 25 October 2011 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Karen, try Defender Industries on the internet, also West Marine.com Look
for water separators or water separating fuel filters. I have installed the
Mercruiser ones on several projects, they have a spin on filter, just
unscrew it, and screw a new element in it's place. Only takes a couple of
minutes to change it. Handy when you plug up beside the road someplace in
the dark. Little more money than the in line type attached with hose clamps
though.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMc Royale 403

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:39 AM, KB <kab7@sonic.net> wrote:

> > I am going to make several suggestions.
> > One is that you go over the Google Groups for GMCEFI and ask there.
> >
> > The Coast Guard doesn't have any problem with clear bowls on fuel
> filters, but they do have some serious requirements for them. Just mount it
> someplace that it can't take a hit from any road debris and of course it
> will be far enough from the exhaust to not get too hot.
> >
> > I just looked, and that filter and assembly is rated to 25GPH. Even a
> GMC can't do that easily.
>
> Thanks. I was worried about the description of the filter being for "small
> engines".
> I don't think a 455 qualifies as "small" :-) Sounds like a water
> separating
> spin-on filter is a good thing given our modern fuel supply, though pretty
> expensive
> compared to a conventional filter.
>
> thanks,
> Karen
> 1973 23'
> 1975 26'
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147783 is a reply to message #147782] Tue, 25 October 2011 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Jim;

Is this the one you use??

http://tinyurl.com/3mmp5bn

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:50 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> Karen, try Defender Industries on the internet, also West Marine.com Look
> for water separators or water separating fuel filters. I have installed the
> Mercruiser ones on several projects,
> Jim Hupy

Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel filter for tbi? [message #147785 is a reply to message #147783] Tue, 25 October 2011 12:24 Go to previous message
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Gary, yes it is that type. Bolts onto the frame downstream for the selector
valve and before the carter electric fuel pump on carb systems. Most FI
systems use their own recommended pumps. Because I am mercruiser trained, I
am most familiar with their products. The critical piece is to not use a
filter finer than 10 micron. If you do, the trapped water will block the
filter completely. The trick is to stop the water from getting through while
still letting the fuel flow. There are at least two types of filter bases.
One is aluminum/die cast and the other is some incredible type of plastic.
Both are USCG approved. Where the base is exposed to road crud, I think the
plastic might be my choice, but the aluminum one will probably outlive both
of us. I think Defender Industries might be a little cheaper than West
Marine.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Jim;
>
> Is this the one you use??
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3mmp5bn
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:50 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Karen, try Defender Industries on the internet, also West Marine.com Look
> > for water separators or water separating fuel filters. I have installed
> the
> > Mercruiser ones on several projects,
> > Jim Hupy
>
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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