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Wed, 19 October 2011 02:32  |
peter bailey
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I have to replace my lower ball joints. Help required!
I have spent the day getting the ball joint RHS free of the lower control arm but not able to get it out (low enough to clear) of the lower control arm. To get to this stage I undid the axle nut removed the bolts holding the axle inner cv joint and attempted to remove the axle as per the manual, not to be even removed the oil filter to gain more movement but no way it fouls on the lower control arm where it is attached to the frame. Do I now need to remove the knuckle by removing it from the upper control arm which is what I was trying to avoid or does some one have a trick to how I should have done this and is the left side the same procedure given that the drive shaft on that side has other obstructions. Note these lower ball joints had been replaced by a PO as they are bolted and not rivetted.
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147026 is a reply to message #147025] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 05:24  |
peter bailey
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Jim,
Manual 7525 Page 3A 18 figure 29 shows where I am at I can not get the
lower control arm up any higher than hard up against the constant velocity
joint and I have pulled the axle right back to where the starter is on the
engine for some clearance but can not get the axle right out. If I
disconnect the tie rod I may be able to pull the knuckle out wards
dislodging the lower ball joint?
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints
> Peter, If you have the ball joint separated from the knuckle, raise up the
> knuckle and the upper control arm as an assembly. That should give you
> enough working room to service the lower ball joint, particularly if it
> has
> been previously replaced. Sometimes removing the shock and sway bar
> link will help.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Peter Bailey
> <bugeye@internode.on.net>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I have to replace my lower ball joints. Help required!
>> I have spent the day getting the ball joint RHS free of the lower control
>> arm but not able to get it out (low enough to clear) of the lower control
>> arm. To get to this stage I undid the axle nut removed the bolts holding
>> the
>> axle inner cv joint and attempted to remove the axle as per the manual,
>> not
>> to be even removed the oil filter to gain more movement but no way it
>> fouls
>> on the lower control arm where it is attached to the frame. Do I now need
>> to
>> remove the knuckle by removing it from the upper control arm which is
>> what I
>> was trying to avoid or does some one have a trick to how I should have
>> done
>> this and is the left side the same procedure given that the drive shaft
>> on
>> that side has other obstructions. Note these lower ball joints had been
>> replaced by a PO as they are bolted and not rivetted.
>> Peter Bailey
>> from Ozy (Aussie)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147122 is a reply to message #147023] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 20:34 |
peter bailey
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Hi All,
I am astonished that I only had a reply from Jim Hupy re this request for
advice and I thank Jim for his input albeit that I had tried what was
advised prior.
I guess it must be the language barrier (I dont speak American) that has
caused there to be not the replies I was expecting. Due to the lack of
advice to an easy removal of the lower ball joints without removing the
knuckle I have gone ahead and removed the knuckle and I stand the risk of
now being told that I would have had to do that anyway as there is no short
cut that I was searching for.
I will have to engage the assistance of an interpreter if I request any
technical help from this forum in the future, don't hesitate to correspond
with me as I can read and understand American. Someone will answer this
with the advice to contact Rob Mueller for any need of clarification, well I
do that regularly anyway.
I enjoy reading the comments posted on this forum so much so that it is the
first thing I read in the morning and the last thing I read at night, so
there you go.
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bailey" <bugeye@internode.on.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints
>
>
> I have to replace my lower ball joints. Help required!
> I have spent the day getting the ball joint RHS free of the lower control
> arm but not able to get it out (low enough to clear) of the lower control
> arm. To get to this stage I undid the axle nut removed the bolts holding
> the axle inner cv joint and attempted to remove the axle as per the
> manual, not to be, even removed the oil filter to gain more movement but
> no way it fouls on the lower control arm where it is attached to the
> frame. Do I now need to remove the knuckle by removing it from the upper
> control arm which is what I was trying to avoid or does some one have a
> trick to how I should have done this and is the left side the same
> procedure given that the drive shaft on that side has other obstructions.
> Note these lower ball joints had been replaced by a PO as they are bolted
> and not rivetted.
> Peter Bailey
> from Ozy (Aussie)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147123 is a reply to message #147122] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 20:39 |
Mr ERFisher
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Well.
I did.
Said to use a one ton :)
Gene
FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
On Oct 19, 2011, at 6:34 PM, "Peter Bailey" <bugeye@internode.on.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am astonished that I only had a reply from Jim Hupy re this request for
> advice and I thank Jim for his input albeit that I had tried what was
> advised prior.
> I guess it must be the language barrier (I dont speak American) that has
> caused there to be not the replies I was expecting. Due to the lack of
> advice to an easy removal of the lower ball joints without removing the
> knuckle I have gone ahead and removed the knuckle and I stand the risk of
> now being told that I would have had to do that anyway as there is no short
> cut that I was searching for.
> I will have to engage the assistance of an interpreter if I request any
> technical help from this forum in the future, don't hesitate to correspond
> with me as I can read and understand American. Someone will answer this
> with the advice to contact Rob Mueller for any need of clarification, well I
> do that regularly anyway.
> I enjoy reading the comments posted on this forum so much so that it is the
> first thing I read in the morning and the last thing I read at night, so
> there you go.
> Peter Bailey
> from Ozy (Aussie)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Bailey" <bugeye@internode.on.net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints
>
>
>>
>>
>> I have to replace my lower ball joints. Help required!
>> I have spent the day getting the ball joint RHS free of the lower control
>> arm but not able to get it out (low enough to clear) of the lower control
>> arm. To get to this stage I undid the axle nut removed the bolts holding
>> the axle inner cv joint and attempted to remove the axle as per the
>> manual, not to be, even removed the oil filter to gain more movement but
>> no way it fouls on the lower control arm where it is attached to the
>> frame. Do I now need to remove the knuckle by removing it from the upper
>> control arm which is what I was trying to avoid or does some one have a
>> trick to how I should have done this and is the left side the same
>> procedure given that the drive shaft on that side has other obstructions.
>> Note these lower ball joints had been replaced by a PO as they are bolted
>> and not rivetted.
>> Peter Bailey
>> from Ozy (Aussie)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147128 is a reply to message #147123] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 20:59 |
Carl S.
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Sorry Peter,
I would have responded if I had had anything to add to the discussion. The only experience I have had with replacing the ball joints on na GMC was when I did mine, on the bench, in Steve F's garage. 
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147132 is a reply to message #147123] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 21:03 |
peter bailey
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Gene,
One Ton is definately on the list but unacceptable to our authorities
without extensive engineers report so at the moment I am doing the things
that the transport Authorities require me to do for registration in my
state. After I get their approval for registration then I will do some
upgrades but without their approval acceptance. Already the cost to meet the
Road Transport Authoriyies requirements is around $15000 and that is not
factoring in the conversion to RHD (another $12000).
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
----- Original Message -----
From: <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints
> Well.
> I did.
> Said to use a one ton :)
> Gene
>
> FREE WIFI @ Mickey D
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2011, at 6:34 PM, "Peter Bailey" <bugeye@internode.on.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I am astonished that I only had a reply from Jim Hupy re this request for
>> advice and I thank Jim for his input albeit that I had tried what was
>> advised prior.
>> I guess it must be the language barrier (I dont speak American) that has
>> caused there to be not the replies I was expecting. Due to the lack of
>> advice to an easy removal of the lower ball joints without removing the
>> knuckle I have gone ahead and removed the knuckle and I stand the risk of
>> now being told that I would have had to do that anyway as there is no
>> short
>> cut that I was searching for.
>> I will have to engage the assistance of an interpreter if I request any
>> technical help from this forum in the future, don't hesitate to
>> correspond
>> with me as I can read and understand American. Someone will answer this
>> with the advice to contact Rob Mueller for any need of clarification,
>> well I
>> do that regularly anyway.
>> I enjoy reading the comments posted on this forum so much so that it is
>> the
>> first thing I read in the morning and the last thing I read at night, so
>> there you go.
>> Peter Bailey
>> from Ozy (Aussie)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Bailey" <bugeye@internode.on.net>
>> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:02 PM
>> Subject: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have to replace my lower ball joints. Help required!
>>> I have spent the day getting the ball joint RHS free of the lower
>>> control
>>> arm but not able to get it out (low enough to clear) of the lower
>>> control
>>> arm. To get to this stage I undid the axle nut removed the bolts holding
>>> the axle inner cv joint and attempted to remove the axle as per the
>>> manual, not to be, even removed the oil filter to gain more movement but
>>> no way it fouls on the lower control arm where it is attached to the
>>> frame. Do I now need to remove the knuckle by removing it from the upper
>>> control arm which is what I was trying to avoid or does some one have a
>>> trick to how I should have done this and is the left side the same
>>> procedure given that the drive shaft on that side has other
>>> obstructions.
>>> Note these lower ball joints had been replaced by a PO as they are
>>> bolted
>>> and not rivetted.
>>> Peter Bailey
>>> from Ozy (Aussie)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147135 is a reply to message #147122] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 21:13 |
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G'day,
It's the interpreter here.
What Peter needs to know is how to get the axles out without taking the knuckles off.
IIRC Emery posted a way to do it but I can't remember how and didn't save his email.
Regards,
Rob M.
PS - Further interpertation - I better make sure you guys realize that Peter is practicing the Aussie national sport of "having a
go." In NY / NJ it's known as "bustin' your chops."
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Bailey
Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011 12:34 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints
Hi All,
I am astonished that I only had a reply from Jim Hupy re this request for
advice and I thank Jim for his input albeit that I had tried what was
advised prior.
I guess it must be the language barrier (I dont speak American) that has
caused there to be not the replies I was expecting. Due to the lack of
advice to an easy removal of the lower ball joints without removing the
knuckle I have gone ahead and removed the knuckle and I stand the risk of
now being told that I would have had to do that anyway as there is no short
cut that I was searching for.
I will have to engage the assistance of an interpreter if I request any
technical help from this forum in the future, don't hesitate to correspond
with me as I can read and understand American. Someone will answer this
with the advice to contact Rob Mueller for any need of clarification, well I
do that regularly anyway.
I enjoy reading the comments posted on this forum so much so that it is the
first thing I read in the morning and the last thing I read at night, so
there you go.
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147140 is a reply to message #147135] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 21:25 |
peter bailey
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Rob,
This is an Australian philosophy as I said and I will share it with others.
Deposit on cans in South Australia is 10c and is redeemable at recycling
yards
Peter Bailey
fro Ozy (Aussie)
ENJOY BEING AN AUSSIE!
Just imagine...
- If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Qantas one year ago,
You would have $49.00 today!
- If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in AIG one year ago,
You would have $33.00 today.
- If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Lehman Brothers one
year ago,
You would have $0.00 today.
- But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago,
drank all the beer, then turned in the aluminum cans for recycling refund,
You would have received $214.00.
- Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to
drink heavily & recycle.
- A recent study found that the average Aussie walks about 900
miles a year. Another study found that Aussies drink, on average, 22 gallons
of alcohol a year.
That means that, on average, Aussies get about 41 miles to the
gallon!
Makes you damned proud to be an Aussie!
> G'day,
>
> It's the interpreter here.
>
> What Peter needs to know is how to get the axles out without taking the
> knuckles off.
>
> IIRC Emery posted a way to do it but I can't remember how and didn't save
> his email.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> PS - Further interpertation - I better make sure you guys realize that
> Peter is practicing the Aussie national sport of "having a
> go." In NY / NJ it's known as "bustin' your chops."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Bailey
> Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011 12:34 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints
>
> Hi All,
> I am astonished that I only had a reply from Jim Hupy re this request for
> advice and I thank Jim for his input albeit that I had tried what was
> advised prior.
> I guess it must be the language barrier (I dont speak American) that has
> caused there to be not the replies I was expecting. Due to the lack of
> advice to an easy removal of the lower ball joints without removing the
> knuckle I have gone ahead and removed the knuckle and I stand the risk of
> now being told that I would have had to do that anyway as there is no
> short
> cut that I was searching for.
> I will have to engage the assistance of an interpreter if I request any
> technical help from this forum in the future, don't hesitate to correspond
> with me as I can read and understand American. Someone will answer this
> with the advice to contact Rob Mueller for any need of clarification, well
> I
> do that regularly anyway.
> I enjoy reading the comments posted on this forum so much so that it is
> the
> first thing I read in the morning and the last thing I read at night, so
> there you go.
> Peter Bailey
> from Ozy (Aussie)
>
>
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| Re: Lower ball joints [message #147141 is a reply to message #147023] |
Wed, 19 October 2011 21:32 |
JohnL455
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Out means our of the knuckle or out of the lower arm or both?
Did you ever watch Dave Lenzi's presentation on intalling the new ball joint in the lower arm. Needs to be "dry fit" before you try and tighten down the ears. This involves massaging the arm back into shape at the contact patch and the width by the ears with a porta power.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Lower ball joints [message #147321 is a reply to message #147023] |
Fri, 21 October 2011 18:11 |
Gail Marks Cruiser
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Peter,
I'm sorry I didn't see your post either.
I've had take both axles out a couple of times now,without removing the knuckle.
GMC's just don't understand "she'll be right".
Mark Bennett
Gail & Mark's Cruiser
Gold Coast, Australia.
Motorhoming Lifestyle.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Lower ball joints [message #147324 is a reply to message #147321] |
Fri, 21 October 2011 18:36 |
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Peter,
You shouda called the Aussie for advice instead of that bloody Septic! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bennett
Peter,
I'm sorry I didn't see your post either.
I've had take both axles out a couple of times now,without removing the knuckle.
GMC's just don't understand "she'll be right".
Mark
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