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Fri, 14 October 2011 19:42  |
midlf
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Ray Erspammer is coming out Sunday to help me pull the front frame clip out of our GMC. It's all, hopefully, disconnected and we will be rolling it out on a dolly I've built under it. If anyone wants to come out to Palmyra WI and see this operation give me a call two six two then five zero one and then 4566 and I'll give you the address and directions.
Steve Southworth
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146533 is a reply to message #146528] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 19:47  |
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| midlf wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 19:42 |
Ray Erspammer is coming out Sunday to help me pull the front frame clip out of our GMC. It's all, hopefully, disconnected and we will be rolling it out on a dolly I've built under it. If anyone wants to come out to Palmyra WI and see this operation give me a call two six two then five zero one and then 4566 and I'll give you the address and directions.
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Oops - I forgot to say we are planning on doing this at 0900 (or somewhat later).
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146545 is a reply to message #146528] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 20:57 |
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Been there,,,,done that. Here's what I recomend. Take lots of photos. I had a hard time remembering which bolts went where. And which little brackets whent on what tubes and which were on top of each other. Masking tape and a sharpie are your friends. Use an old egg carton for nuts and bolts. Label with sharpie. Put as many bolts back in the holes as you can. If you derust and paint let it dry more than 24hrs. Also. If you have the frame on jack stands without the "front" frame in it. DO NOT jack the rear up to try to drain every last drop of bad gas out of the tanks. It will bend the frame up front. Don't ask me how I know!!!!Good luck,,,,,PL
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146547 is a reply to message #146545] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 21:13 |
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| g.winger wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 20:57 |
Been there,,,,done that. Here's what I recommend. Take lots of photos. I had a hard time remembering which bolts went where. And which little brackets went on what tubes and which were on top of each other. Masking tape and a sharpie are your friends. Use an old egg carton for nuts and bolts. Label with sharpie. Put as many bolts back in the holes as you can. If you derust and paint let it dry more than 24hrs. Also. If you have the frame on jack stands without the "front" frame in it. DO NOT jack the rear up to try to drain every last drop of bad gas out of the tanks. It will bend the frame up front. Don't ask me how I know!!!!Good luck,,,,,PL
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Since the gas tanks are out I'm safe that way. However inquiring minds want to know - how did the frame bend? Did the "C" channel side frames bend up or did the bottom section of the channel twist, or did the channel start to fold up in the side section? Where did you have the front jackstands located? At a cross member or somewhere on the side frame away from a cross member?
Thanks for the reminder on pictures and labels and bolt placements. I'm planning on posting pictures of the prep and actual operation after we get it out.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146548 is a reply to message #146545] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 21:13 |
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G'day,
One of the things that is great around here is that people not only share their successes, they share their failures!
Thanks, Paul!
Regards,
Rob
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From: Paul Leavitt
Been there,,,,done that. Here's what I recomend. Take lots of photos. I had a hard time remembering which bolts went where. And
which little brackets whent on what tubes and which were on top of each other. Masking tape and a sharpie are your friends. Use an
old egg carton for nuts and bolts. Label with sharpie. Put as many bolts back in the holes as you can. If you derust and paint let
it dry more than 24hrs. Also. If you have the frame on jack stands without the "front" frame in it. DO NOT jack the rear up to try
to drain every last drop of bad gas out of the tanks. It will bend the frame up front. Don't ask me how I know!!!!Good luck,,,,,PL
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146549 is a reply to message #146528] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 21:19 |
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Wish I was closer -- I would love to help (and learn).
Good luck!
Have you decided on how you will treat the clip frame while you have it out? I know Paul had his galvanized and others have painted and some powder coated. If you do one of the later -- I have wondered about using waxoyl or penetrol inside the frame to prevent rust through.
Dennis
| midlf wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 19:42 |
Ray Erspammer is coming out Sunday to help me pull the front frame clip out of our GMC. It's all, hopefully, disconnected and we will be rolling it out on a dolly I've built under it. If anyone wants to come out to Palmyra WI and see this operation give me a call two six two then five zero one and then 4566 and I'll give you the address and directions.
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146552 is a reply to message #146549] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 21:34 |
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| Dennis S wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 21:19 |
Wish I was closer -- I would love to help (and learn).
Good luck!
Have you decided on how you will treat the clip frame while you have it out? I know Paul had his galvanized and others have painted and some powder coated. If you do one of the later -- I have wondered about using waxoyl or penetrol inside the frame to prevent rust through.
Dennis
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Well before I discovered the engine problem that prompted the clip pull I had coated the frame that I could get at, and could get adequately degreased, with Chassis Saver. I had cleaned out the frame interior with compressed air and vacuuming and then coated with Eastwood's Chassis interior coating.
Now that the frame clip is coming out I'm going to either finish the Chassis Saver coating or send it out for stripping and de-rusting. I'll only send it out IF I can find some treatment process that will also protect the interior. Galvanizing would do this and there are places in the area that do galvanizing. I will ask at the paint stripping/de-rust place if they know of anyone that can do some effective coating, including the interior, other than galvanize. To my way of thinking, only a dipping process will be effective at coating the interior.
Steve Southworth
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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146559 is a reply to message #146528] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 22:06 |
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What I was trying to say was I thought I would remember where everything would go,,,,,so. About the frame. I did the full pull. Took along time to finish,,,its a big job. Lost 5 weeks rebuilding a minivan(windstar) 3.8 in the middle of it.(get to the frame in a minute) Once, I had the caddy block on the stand and added a cyl head. If you ever do this to just measure,,,,eye ball or just think ALWAYS put in a couple head bolts. Added the second head. Bolts too. Couple days later I pulled the pin and went to flip it over and it got away from me,,,,WOW. Thought it would flip over ant tip onto the floor!!! Stoped right there and built a wide super duper engine stand with a 20 to one crank to rotate it slowly(1 5/8ths shaft,bearings,used motorcycle sprockets,triple reduction,3" by4" angle iron). One of the best things ever. You can buy one for 200. So,,,the frame. Front frame is out. Jack stands right under the bolt holes. Wanted to drain the tanks and put in frash gas. Jacked up the rt. rear a little. The Left front stand was kinda towards the inside of the frame. Should have been under the outside or directly under the verticle part of the frame. When I noticed it I was stunned. Bent the lower part of the frame upward. A good amount. Used a borrowed porta power to bend back. Was thinking of wedges or a big cresent might have worked. Seriously,,,,if you rebuild yourself,,,,the rotate with a crank engine stand is alot safer,,,,,PL
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146561 is a reply to message #146559] |
Fri, 14 October 2011 22:18 |
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| g.winger wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 22:06 |
So,,,the frame. Front frame is out. Jack stands right under the bolt holes. Wanted to drain the tanks and put in fresh gas. Jacked up the rt. rear a little. The Left front stand was kinda towards the inside of the frame. Should have been under the outside or directly under the vertical part of the frame. When I noticed it I was stunned. Bent the lower part of the frame upward. A good amount. Used a borrowed porta power to bend back. Was thinking of wedges or a big crescent might have worked. Seriously,,,,if you rebuild yourself,,,,the rotate with a crank engine stand is alot safer,,,,,PL
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Thanks for the frame info. I've got it supported directly under the outside of the frame with about a foot lengthwise for support, half way between the bolt holes and the first crossmember. I originally had the jackstands under the frame at the first crossmember but it looked to me like it was just too much GMC forward of the jackstand. I'll take another look at it and perhaps make some channel support blocks to insert into the frame C section to stiffen it.
Steve Southworth
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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146592 is a reply to message #146528] |
Sat, 15 October 2011 09:41 |
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Take lots of pics ive got to do the same shortly.My Frame gave it up on the pass side under battery also. Im working on my frame now. Still trying to get mine galvanized but it is expensive here in GA. guess i will have to coat it with something else. The local sports store has spray on galvanize anybody try that?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146612 is a reply to message #146592] |
Sat, 15 October 2011 13:10 |
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Ted,
I'd say the spray galvanize is a far distant 4th or 5th choice to
electrogalvanizing. While I haven't used it, I've heard only good things
about the Por15 products. I'd sure look into it. Even after applying that,
I'd be looking for a flowing, grease-like product to go inside the closed
sections -- like Ziebart, if there still is such a thing,
I've been through a removal and a couple of clip installations, so let me
know when you're ready. I've got a Port-a-Power and a couple of
come-a-longs to bring. But I think I gave away my A-frame tow bar to fit
the GMC (or did I give it to you???). :-)
Ken H.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Ted Petty <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Take lots of pics ive got to do the same shortly.My Frame gave it up on the
> pass side under battery also. Im working on my frame now. Still trying to
> get mine galvanized but it is expensive here in GA. guess i will have to
> coat it with something else. The local sports store has spray on galvanize
> anybody try that?
> Ted
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146614 is a reply to message #146612] |
Sat, 15 October 2011 13:19 |
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Ken.
Ziebart was a sealant type rustproofing. Didn't work if moisture got under it. You need a grease or oil base product. We have a couple of excellent brands here in Ontario that are yearly applications.
I have used Fluid Film with good results but must be applied at least once a year.
Norm, who in another life owned a rustproofing business.
Ted,
I'd say the spray galvanize is a far distant 4th or 5th choice to
electrogalvanizing. While I haven't used it, I've heard only good things
about the Por15 products. I'd sure look into it. Even after applying that,
I'd be looking for a flowing, grease-like product to go inside the closed
sections -- like Ziebart, if there still is such a thing,
I've been through a removal and a couple of clip installations, so let me
know when you're ready. I've got a Port-a-Power and a couple of
come-a-longs to bring. But I think I gave away my A-frame tow bar to fit
the GMC (or did I give it to you???). :-)
Ken H.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Ted Petty <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Take lots of pics ive got to do the same shortly.My Frame gave it up on the
> pass side under battery also. Im working on my frame now. Still trying to
> get mine galvanized but it is expensive here in GA. guess i will have to
> coat it with something else. The local sports store has spray on galvanize
> anybody try that?
> Ted
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146616 is a reply to message #146614] |
Sat, 15 October 2011 13:26 |
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Thanks, Norm,
My remembrance was that Ziebart used a waxy substance that would exclude
water -- but it's been 30+ years since I've even seen such a place (thank
goodness). :-)
Ken H.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Norm Bowker <bowks43@rogers.com> wrote:
> Ken.
> Ziebart was a sealant type rustproofing. Didn't work if moisture got
> under it. You need a grease or oil base product. We have a couple of
> excellent brands here in Ontario that are yearly applications.
> I have used Fluid Film with good results but must be applied at least
> once a year.
> Norm, who in another life owned a rustproofing business.
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> Ted,
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> I'd say the spray galvanize is a far distant 4th or 5th choice to
> electrogalvanizing. While I haven't used it, I've heard only good things
> about the Por15 products. I'd sure look into it. Even after applying
> that,
> I'd be looking for a flowing, grease-like product to go inside the closed
> sections -- like Ziebart, if there still is such a thing,
>
> I've been through a removal and a couple of clip installations, so let me
> know when you're ready. I've got a Port-a-Power and a couple of
> come-a-longs to bring. But I think I gave away my A-frame tow bar to fit
> the GMC (or did I give it to you???). :-)
>
> Ken H.
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> On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Ted Petty <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Take lots of pics ive got to do the same shortly.My Frame gave it up on
> the
> > pass side under battery also. Im working on my frame now. Still trying to
> > get mine galvanized but it is expensive here in GA. guess i will have to
> > coat it with something else. The local sports store has spray on
> galvanize
> > anybody try that?
> > Ted
> > --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146637 is a reply to message #146562] |
Sat, 15 October 2011 20:09 |
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| jimk wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 22:23 |
Lot of time, we find that the front clip has corrosion in the main
boxed frame and also by the passenger battery area where the acid from
the battery might have started a reaction.
Does not hurt to drill small holes to check and sometimes tapping with a hammer.
People tell us that there is too much oil leak in the front, so there
should be no corrosion. Not the case in several units we found.
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Thanks for the suggestion on checking the frame for corrosion.
So far with all my banging around on the frame it appears solid. However now I'll be able to get at it easily to give it a better inspection. The battery tray looked good when I took it off. I'm gonna replace it with a Ragusa 3 battery tray however.
Steve Southworth
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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146638 is a reply to message #146612] |
Sat, 15 October 2011 20:18 |
midlf
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 15 October 2011 13:10 |
Ted,
I'd say the spray galvanize is a far distant 4th or 5th choice to
electrogalvanizing.
Ken H.
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Electro galvanize will not coat the interior of the enclosed frame. The only galvanize that will get to the interior is hot dip. Even then care has to be taken by the dipper to do it correctly and not end up with heat distortion and care to get a complete interior coat. (Ya gotta make sure there are no air pockets.) Fortunately for me the company RayE works for deals with such a place and, if I decide I want to do that, hopefully they will do a small, one off job.
Steve Southworth
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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146651 is a reply to message #146612] |
Sat, 15 October 2011 21:16 |
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Hey Ken Ive got the tow bar. I guess im going to try a different galanizer this coming week i really would like to get the thing galvanized so it will last almost forever.
Ted
| Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 15 October 2011 13:10 |
Ted,
I'd say the spray galvanize is a far distant 4th or 5th choice to
electrogalvanizing. While I haven't used it, I've heard only good things
about the Por15 products. I'd sure look into it. Even after applying that,
I'd be looking for a flowing, grease-like product to go inside the closed
sections -- like Ziebart, if there still is such a thing,
I've been through a removal and a couple of clip installations, so let me
know when you're ready. I've got a Port-a-Power and a couple of
come-a-longs to bring. But I think I gave away my A-frame tow bar to fit
the GMC (or did I give it to you???). 
Ken H.
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Ted Petty <PettyVTX@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Take lots of pics ive got to do the same shortly.My Frame gave it up on the
> pass side under battery also. Im working on my frame now. Still trying to
> get mine galvanized but it is expensive here in GA. guess i will have to
> coat it with something else. The local sports store has spray on galvanize
> anybody try that?
> Ted
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146676 is a reply to message #146592] |
Sun, 16 October 2011 09:32 |
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I use the spray - on regularly. Anything which goes up in the air and isn't stainless is galvanized, and when all the fittings are tightened, we use it to touch up the nicks and scratches in the zinc in place. When we do inspections, the rigger takes a couple of cans of zinc - it and a wire brush along to touch up any rust spots he sees.
The coating is not as strong as hot dip, consequently it will scratch off when things are a tioght fit - like the frame stubs. For inaccesible places like that, I usually slop on the Zinc - It and assemble damp.
--johnny
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Take lots of pics ive got to do the same shortly.My Frame gave it up on the pass side under battery also. Im working on my frame now. Still trying to get mine galvanized but it is expensive here in GA. guess i will have to coat it with something else. The local sports store has spray on galvanize anybody try that?
Ted
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| Re: Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146744 is a reply to message #146528] |
Sun, 16 October 2011 21:40 |
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| midlf wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 19:42 |
Ray Erspammer is coming out Sunday to help me pull the front frame clip out of our GMC. It's all, hopefully, disconnected and we will be rolling it out on a dolly I've built under it.
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Well we got it done. It went well. RayE arrived about 0900 and we were eating lunch by 1200 and that time frame also included about 2 hours of BSing about GMC's and Man Caves. The pulling took about an hour. Ray's input was very helpful. At his suggestion we used a portapower to spread the frame rails about 1/4" to break the 37 year old bonding between the frame rails and the front clip. Then we used the Kubota BX driven by the CFO (AKA Kubota Girl) to pull it out. Rather than pushing out with two portapowers.
It sure looks different sitting out on the floor rather than in the GMC. There are a whole lot of things that are now very easy to get at.
Pictures on the photo site in a day or two.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday [message #146747 is a reply to message #146744] |
Sun, 16 October 2011 22:04 |
Ray Erspamer
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We had a great time, as Steve and I always do !! Steve's lucky I don't live
closer, he'd have to pull his GMC a tad further into that Man Cave so there
would be room for mine too !
I envy his setup, more room than anyone could want, and now with a
FURNACE.....all it needs is a corner with a couple of nice recliners and a TV
with Satellite dish.....oh, and a good exhaust fan so I could have my cigars
while we watched the Packer or Badger Game on TV ! LOL
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
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From: Steve Southworth <midlf@centurytel.net>
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Sent: Sun, October 16, 2011 9:40:49 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Pulling front clip Sunday
midlf wrote on Fri, 14 October 2011 19:42
> Ray Erspammer is coming out Sunday to help me pull the front frame clip out of
>our GMC. It's all, hopefully, disconnected and we will be rolling it out on a
>dolly I've built under it.
Well we got it done. It went well. RayE arrived about 0900 and we were eating
lunch by 1200 and that time frame also included about 2 hours of BSing about
GMC's and Man Caves. The pulling took about an hour. Ray's input was very
helpful. At his suggestion we used a portapower to spread the frame rails about
1/4" to break the 37 year old bonding between the frame rails and the front
clip. Then we used the Kubota BX driven by the CFO (AKA Kubota Girl) to pull it
out. Rather than pushing out with two portapowers.
It sure looks different sitting out on the floor rather than in the GMC. There
are a whole lot of things that are now very easy to get at.
Pictures on the photo site in a day or two.
--
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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78 GMC Royale Center Kitchen
403, 3.70 Final Drive
Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
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