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Thu, 13 October 2011 16:16  |
Tom Huizenga
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I'm having the Manny's tranny put into my 78 royale. The shop ordered
new cv drive axles for toronado NAPA part # 95-9128 or 60-1014. Should I
have the CV axles replaced now? Or have them put the old ones back on
and deal with rebuilding them later. ANY Advice Much Appreciated.
Tom Huizenga
78 royale 455
Deming, Wa. 360-354-2196
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles [message #146414 is a reply to message #146406] |
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| Tom Huizenga wrote on Thu, 13 October 2011 14:16 |
... The shop ordered new cv drive axles for toronado NAPA part # 95-9128 or 60-1014. Should I have the CV axles replaced now? Or have them put the old ones back on and deal with rebuilding them later. ANY Advice Much Appreciated.
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Tom,
Toro axles are to short to work on the motorhome. The Toro OEM inner and outer joints ARE the same as ours. So IF the joints are OEM, all you have to do is to remove them from the Toro axles and swap them with your old axles.
BUT...
From what I understand, most of the "rebuilt" joints are not much better than your old "worn" joints. Axles with brand NEW joints are available, but most will not fit on our longer OEM axles.* I have not heard of any method to tell what type of axle you receive until you get it and take it apart.
This is another advantage to the 1 ton conversion... off the shelf NEW joints. (You still have to swap the axle shaft.)
Anyway, how bad are your current joints? It would be good to have them checked, lubed (at least) and rebooted while they are out.
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* I wonder if there is a market for longer axles that will fit these new joints... or if they are the new joints standardized enough to make it worth the trouble.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles [message #146425 is a reply to message #146406] |
Thu, 13 October 2011 18:55 |
Ken Henderson
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Tom,
I just went through the hassle of trying to get the correct Toro CV's. I
ordered all the Toro axles available (from their regional warehouse
inventories) to the local O'Reilly's and Advance Auto. About half of them
were the OEM style with the correct inner and outer CV joints for tranfer to
our longer MH axles. The others had the imported CV's and new,
incompatible, axle. It was easy to recognize the unusable ones immediately:
The inner CV has no "tin can" as a part of the boot -- only a convoluted
rubber boot, similar to that on the outer CV. Since I made it clear (with
photos from RockAuto.com), before they placed the orders, which units were
acceptable, there was no hassle nor hard feelings when I told them to return
the "new" design axles.
Now to how to convert: Remove the clamps from the outer CV boot. Buried in
the grease in the joint there's a square cross-section circlip (C-clip) with
radial "ears" at the opening. Use a pair of lock ring pliers to spread
those ears while pushing the CV joint toward the end of the axle. There's a
second groove near the outer end of the axle into which the circlip will
seat, forcing you to release it with the pliers again. Pull the boot off
for use on the MH axle.
To swap the inner CV joint, do NOT remove the "tin can", as described in the
service manual. Rather, remove the clamp around the rubber boot. Place a
piece of wood on the floor as an "anvil", then hold the axle assembly by the
inner joint, outer end splines down, and "drop" it onto the wooden anvil.
After a couple of drops the inner dust cap, along with a spray of grease,
pill pop off. A circlip like that on the outer CV, also with two axle
grooves to clear, holds the inner joint on the axle.
After removing the CV's from the MH axle, install the rebuilt Toro CV's.
They should slide on pretty easily -- the circlip grooves have tapered
inner sides so that the use of pliers should not be required. Don't forget
to slide the outer boot on before the CV joint. :-)
When replacing the boot clamps, I won't use anything except the Band-It
double-wrap SS variety. The NAPA numbers for them are at
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=4164&cat=3120
But, they may not be available any longer. I prefer to buy the 1/4" SS
Band-It strap and buckles from McMaster.com. 100' and 100 buckles wont'
cost a whole lot more than a set of NAPA clamps and will "last a lifetime".
Handy for lots of other applications too.
RE: The suggestion that we need new long axles to fit the new CV's -- Unless
everyone's going to something like the 1T front end, it's not long before
that will be a necessity -- it's highly unlikely that anyone will retool to
manufacture more CV's for us.
HTH,
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Tom Huizenga <tom@huizengabros.com> wrote:
> I'm having the Manny's tranny put into my 78 royale. The shop ordered
> new cv drive axles for toronado NAPA part # 95-9128 or 60-1014. Should I
> have the CV axles replaced now? Or have them put the old ones back on
> and deal with rebuilding them later. ANY Advice Much Appreciated.
>
> Tom Huizenga
> 78 royale 455
> Deming, Wa. 360-354-2196
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles [message #147945 is a reply to message #146425] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 12:29 |
Jp Benson
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Ken,
Thanks for the info it was quite helpful. This DIY project is not for everyone but fortunately I had sufficient mechanical experience and tools to be successful. It was a bit difficult pulling the inner boot over the C clip tangs but definitely preferable to removing the tin can. I was able to order the FENCO remanufactured CV axles by specific part number from Advance Auto and thus avoid the hassle of returning incorrect parts. I'm also able to return the cores at my local Advance Auto Parts. I did encounter something odd in one of the inner CV joints. There was a small area with no packing grease that appeared to have a gritty texture on it. On closer inspection it turned out to be metallic and ferrous. I'm awaiting a reply from the manufacturer before I proceed further but wondered if anyone else has seen this. Not to mention that on one of the outer joints the retaining clip was broken into three pieces. Cardone also
remanufactures the Toronado axles but I haven't found a local outlet.
While I am not able to contribute much to the GMCnet since I'm still pretty steep on the learning curve I am guilty of lurking over the last several months. So much thanks to those who do contribute as I have learned much. What happened to me is that I bought a 76 Royale and went on one long trip. After which I decided to refresh the rear brakes. The brake job somehow morphed into a frame-off restoration. So now I am in theory halfway done since my coach is entirely disassembled.
PB
>________________________________
>From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
>To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles
>
>Tom,
>
>I just went through the hassle of trying to get the correct Toro CV's. I
>ordered all the Toro axles available (from their regional warehouse
>inventories) to the local O'Reilly's and Advance Auto. About half of them
>were the OEM style with the correct inner and outer CV joints for tranfer to
>our longer MH axles. The others had the imported CV's and new,
>incompatible, axle. It was easy to recognize the unusable ones immediately:
>The inner CV has no "tin can" as a part of the boot -- only a convoluted
>rubber boot, similar to that on the outer CV. Since I made it clear (with
>photos from RockAuto.com), before they placed the orders, which units were
>acceptable, there was no hassle nor hard feelings when I told them to return
>the "new" design axles.
>
>Now to how to convert: Remove the clamps from the outer CV boot. Buried in
>the grease in the joint there's a square cross-section circlip (C-clip) with
>radial "ears" at the opening. Use a pair of lock ring pliers to spread
>those ears while pushing the CV joint toward the end of the axle. There's a
>second groove near the outer end of the axle into which the circlip will
>seat, forcing you to release it with the pliers again. Pull the boot off
>for use on the MH axle.
>
>To swap the inner CV joint, do NOT remove the "tin can", as described in the
>service manual. Rather, remove the clamp around the rubber boot. Place a
>piece of wood on the floor as an "anvil", then hold the axle assembly by the
>inner joint, outer end splines down, and "drop" it onto the wooden anvil.
>After a couple of drops the inner dust cap, along with a spray of grease,
>pill pop off. A circlip like that on the outer CV, also with two axle
>grooves to clear, holds the inner joint on the axle.
>
>After removing the CV's from the MH axle, install the rebuilt Toro CV's.
>They should slide on pretty easily -- the circlip grooves have tapered
>inner sides so that the use of pliers should not be required. Don't forget
>to slide the outer boot on before the CV joint. :-)
>
>When replacing the boot clamps, I won't use anything except the Band-It
>double-wrap SS variety. The NAPA numbers for them are at
>http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=4164&cat=3120
>But, they may not be available any longer. I prefer to buy the 1/4" SS
>Band-It strap and buckles from McMaster.com. 100' and 100 buckles wont'
>cost a whole lot more than a set of NAPA clamps and will "last a lifetime".
>Handy for lots of other applications too.
>
>RE: The suggestion that we need new long axles to fit the new CV's -- Unless
>everyone's going to something like the 1T front end, it's not long before
>that will be a necessity -- it's highly unlikely that anyone will retool to
>manufacture more CV's for us.
>
>HTH,
>
>Ken H.
>Americus, GA
>'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
>www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Tom Huizenga <tom@huizengabros.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm having the Manny's tranny put into my 78 royale. The shop ordered
>> new cv drive axles for toronado NAPA part # 95-9128 or 60-1014. Should I
>> have the CV axles replaced now? Or have them put the old ones back on
>> and deal with rebuilding them later. ANY Advice Much Appreciated.
>>
>> Tom Huizenga
>> 78 royale 455
>> Deming, Wa. 360-354-2196
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles [message #147948 is a reply to message #147945] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 13:11 |
Ken Henderson
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PB,
Glad the hints helped. I should have mentioned those tangs and the boot --
I used a wooden wedge trimmed to fit between the tangs to ease the task and
reduce the chance of cutting the boot; that might have helped you.
I'd be very concerned about the metallic residue -- probably insufficient
cleaning after they touched up the races. :-(
I hope you'll post photos of your frame-off. If I'd known in '98 that I
would keep the GMC this long, I'd probably have done the same -- as well as
doing a LOT of things better. Oh well, too late now, with 'most everything
on it having been touched, modified, or replaced.
Ken H.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Jp Benson <chocomo99@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ken,
>
>
> Thanks for the info it was quite helpful. This DIY project is not for
> everyone but fortunately I had sufficient mechanical experience and tools to
> be successful. It was a bit difficult pulling the inner boot over the C
> clip tangs but definitely preferable to removing the tin can. I was able to
> order the FENCO remanufactured CV axles by specific part number from Advance
> Auto and thus avoid the hassle of returning incorrect parts. I'm also able
> to return the cores at my local Advance Auto Parts. I did encounter
> something odd in one of the inner CV joints. There was a small area with no
> packing grease that appeared to have a gritty texture on it. On closer
> inspection it turned out to be metallic and ferrous. I'm awaiting a reply
> from the manufacturer before I proceed further but wondered if anyone else
> has seen this. Not to mention that on one of the outer joints the retaining
> clip was broken into three pieces. Cardone also
> remanufactures the Toronado axles but I haven't found a local outlet.
>
> While I am not able to contribute much to the GMCnet since I'm still pretty
> steep on the learning curve I am guilty of lurking over the last several
> months. So much thanks to those who do contribute as I have learned much.
> What happened to me is that I bought a 76 Royale and went on one long trip.
> After which I decided to refresh the rear brakes. The brake job somehow
> morphed into a frame-off restoration. So now I am in theory halfway done
> since my coach is entirely disassembled.
>
> PB
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
> >To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:55 PM
> >Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles
> >
> >Tom,
> >
> >I just went through the hassle of trying to get the correct Toro CV's. I
> >ordered all the Toro axles available (from their regional warehouse
> >inventories) to the local O'Reilly's and Advance Auto. About half of them
> >were the OEM style with the correct inner and outer CV joints for tranfer
> to
> >our longer MH axles. The others had the imported CV's and new,
> >incompatible, axle. It was easy to recognize the unusable ones
> immediately:
> >The inner CV has no "tin can" as a part of the boot -- only a convoluted
> >rubber boot, similar to that on the outer CV. Since I made it clear (with
> >photos from RockAuto.com), before they placed the orders, which units were
> >acceptable, there was no hassle nor hard feelings when I told them to
> return
> >the "new" design axles.
> >
> >Now to how to convert: Remove the clamps from the outer CV boot. Buried
> in
> >the grease in the joint there's a square cross-section circlip (C-clip)
> with
> >radial "ears" at the opening. Use a pair of lock ring pliers to spread
> >those ears while pushing the CV joint toward the end of the axle. There's
> a
> >second groove near the outer end of the axle into which the circlip will
> >seat, forcing you to release it with the pliers again. Pull the boot off
> >for use on the MH axle.
> >
> >To swap the inner CV joint, do NOT remove the "tin can", as described in
> the
> >service manual. Rather, remove the clamp around the rubber boot. Place a
> >piece of wood on the floor as an "anvil", then hold the axle assembly by
> the
> >inner joint, outer end splines down, and "drop" it onto the wooden anvil.
> >After a couple of drops the inner dust cap, along with a spray of grease,
> >pill pop off. A circlip like that on the outer CV, also with two axle
> >grooves to clear, holds the inner joint on the axle.
> >
> >After removing the CV's from the MH axle, install the rebuilt Toro CV's.
> >They should slide on pretty easily -- the circlip grooves have tapered
> >inner sides so that the use of pliers should not be required. Don't
> forget
> >to slide the outer boot on before the CV joint. :-)
> >
> >When replacing the boot clamps, I won't use anything except the Band-It
> >double-wrap SS variety. The NAPA numbers for them are at
> >http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=4164&cat=3120
> >But, they may not be available any longer. I prefer to buy the 1/4" SS
> >Band-It strap and buckles from McMaster.com. 100' and 100 buckles wont'
> >cost a whole lot more than a set of NAPA clamps and will "last a
> lifetime".
> >Handy for lots of other applications too.
> >
> >RE: The suggestion that we need new long axles to fit the new CV's --
> Unless
> >everyone's going to something like the 1T front end, it's not long before
> >that will be a necessity -- it's highly unlikely that anyone will retool
> to
> >manufacture more CV's for us.
> >
> >HTH,
> >
> >Ken H.
> >Americus, GA
> >'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
> >www.gmcwipersetc.com
> >
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Tom Huizenga <tom@huizengabros.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm having the Manny's tranny put into my 78 royale. The shop ordered
> >> new cv drive axles for toronado NAPA part # 95-9128 or 60-1014. Should I
> >> have the CV axles replaced now? Or have them put the old ones back on
> >> and deal with rebuilding them later. ANY Advice Much Appreciated.
> >>
> >> Tom Huizenga
> >> 78 royale 455
> >> Deming, Wa. 360-354-2196
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles [message #147970 is a reply to message #147964] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 17:46 |
James Hupy
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Yes, we helped him by staying out of his way and shagging tools for him.
Actually each coach owner was "down and dirty" with Manny as well.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Darn, didn't y'all help Manny a-tall?
>
> Ken H.
>
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> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:59 PM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
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> > Are you sure you want to repair these
> > http://goo.gl/UVfEL
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles [message #147983 is a reply to message #147973] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 19:18 |
Ken Henderson
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Well, OK, if you fed him on all those crabs, he'll probably be OK. :-)
Ken H.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a picture of Manny and helper(not his coach) under a coach...Just
> stay out of Manny's way when he's on a mission. However, it sure is
> FUN to work with him (and GeneF also)...
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=41305&title=genemanny-jpg&cat=5938
> ...
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV drive axles [message #148009 is a reply to message #147964] |
Thu, 27 October 2011 22:06 |
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yup, had my lawn chair and camera ;>)
gene
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Darn, didn't y'all help Manny a-tall?
>
> Ken H.
>
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> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:59 PM, gene Fisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > Are you sure you want to repair these
> > http://goo.gl/UVfEL
> > ...
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