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correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 20:53

glacierfl

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Hello,

I made a comment recently about using formica for ceiling panels.
I should have said Wilsonart laminate, i used a generic term.
Not sure that formica will follow the curve needed on the ceiling wall curve, as formica laminate is thicker, than the wilsonart laminate.

Thanks folks.

Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT

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Re: [GMCnet] correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #140989 is a reply to message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 21:00

Dolph Santorine

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It would be interesting to know what was original and what most folks use today.

My coach has thin paneling on it, so I don't see why the Wilsonart won't work.

Dolph Santorine

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On Aug 25, 2011, at 9:53 PM, steve & debbie wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
>
> I made a comment recently about using formica for ceiling panels.
> I should have said Wilsonart laminate, i used a generic term.
> Not sure that formica will follow the curve needed on the ceiling wall curve, as formica laminate is thicker, than the wilsonart laminate.
>
> Thanks folks.
> --
> Steve & Debbie
> Monticello, FL
> 73 Glacier
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Re: correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #140991 is a reply to message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 21:13

glacierfl

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I have a sheet of wilsonart laminate on order to try it out.
The sample piece i have will conform easily to the curve needed, so i am hoping. Will keep you posted when i try a whole replacment piece.

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Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT

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Re: correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #140997 is a reply to message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 21:28

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It'll probably come to you rolled up in a large roll of about 12-15 inches in diameter. That ought to answer that.

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Re: correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141002 is a reply to message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 21:38

glacierfl

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Yes guess that seems a bit obvious ...

As mentioned i tried samples of formica and wilsonart, the formica samples seemed thicker, and i could not get them to conform to the angle needed for the curve without breaking it...

So yes it can be rolled up but what is the angle of curve that it can take without splitting.

Would like to know if formica laminate can be used also , that would clear up any doubts i have.

Cheers Smile

Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT

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Re: correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141004 is a reply to message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 21:40

GeorgeRud

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If you want to get a special finish, the Wilsonart laminate should work, but how much will it be. I seem to remember that the piece I bought when I was making a new countertop, it was not cheap.

I used the Komatex panels on my ceiling as they are waterproof, bend and cut easily, and were reasonably priced. However, the color selection is limited unless you like white (as I used).

George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach

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Re: correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141005 is a reply to message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 21:46

glacierfl

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Thanks for the info George. The laminate i am getting is around $70 for a full sheet $%#!!!! .... I liked the idea of laminate because it was strong and waterproof. Also hoping that in heat it would not droop. Never heard of the stuff you mention i shall have to investigate that so thanks.

Its cool when we can share information Smile

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Steve & Debbie Monticello, FL 77 Palm Beach :- Aurora EX G4WDT

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Re: correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141011 is a reply to message #140986]

Thu, 25 August 2011 22:22

GeorgeRud

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The curvature of the top helps keep things in place, as well as the vents, air conditioner, and stringers.

I find mine can have a bit of droop on a very hot day, but so far, so good.

After seeing all the mold and water damage when I removed the original headliner, I also wanted something waterproof and mold resistant.

I seem to remember that the Komatex panels were about $25/panel in the thickness that I bought.

George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach

[Updated on: Thu, 25 August 2011 22:23]

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Re: [GMCnet] correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141012 is a reply to message #141004]

Thu, 25 August 2011 22:20

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here are some hints
http://www.gmcmotorhome.info/living.html#head

gene

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:40 PM, George Rudawsky <GeorgeRud@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> If you want to get a special finish, the Wilsonart laminate should work, but how much will it be. �I seem to remember that the piece I bought when I was making a new countertop, it was not cheap.
>
> I used the Komatex panels on my ceiling as they are waterproof, bend and cut easily, and were reasonably priced. �However, the color selection is limited unless you like white (as I used).
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Re: [GMCnet] correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141023 is a reply to message #141005]

Thu, 25 August 2011 23:36

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Komatex, Komacel and also Sintra are trade names for sheet materials mainly
used in the sign business. There are about 10 colors. Stock thicknesses are
from 1/8"-1/2". Another new product on the market is a high pressure
laminated specialty foam board. It is a high gloss Formica or Wilsonart
looking material with a foam core that is available from 3/16" thick up to
3". I have a sample and I would bet it is not cheap. The woodgrain is on a
very thin metal substrate laminated to the foam. It is manufactured in
Bentonville, AR, by United Industries. Foam core is available in black or
white.

The Kometex and SIntra products can be bought from Tubelite, Reese or any
good sign supply house. Available in 4'x8' or 5'x10' sheets.

Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:46 PM, steve & debbie <zzdebz@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for the info George. The laminate i am getting is around $70 for a
> full sheet $%#!!!! .... I liked the idea of laminate because it was strong
> and waterproof. Also hoping that in heat it would not droop. Never heard of
> the stuff you mention i shall have to investigate that so thanks.
>
> Its cool when we can share information :)
>
> Regards
> --
> Steve & Debbie
> Monticello, FL
> 73 Glacier
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Re: [GMCnet] correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141027 is a reply to message #141023]

Fri, 26 August 2011 00:23

USAussie

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Tom,

Congratulations by the power vested in me by the GMCnet (NONE) you've just been appointed interior sandwich panel Guru since you
work with this stuff all the time! ;-)

Can you provide links to all this stuff so we can see what's out there?

Thanks!

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Eckert

Komatex, Komacel and also Sintra are trade names for sheet materials mainly
used in the sign business. There are about 10 colors. Stock thicknesses are
from 1/8"-1/2". Another new product on the market is a high pressure
laminated specialty foam board. It is a high gloss Formica or Wilsonart
looking material with a foam core that is available from 3/16" thick up to
3". I have a sample and I would bet it is not cheap. The woodgrain is on a
very thin metal substrate laminated to the foam. It is manufactured in
Bentonville, AR, by United Industries. Foam core is available in black or
white.

The Kometex and SIntra products can be bought from Tubelite, Reese or any
good sign supply house. Available in 4'x8' or 5'x10' sheets.

Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN.

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Re: [GMCnet] correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141037 is a reply to message #141027]

Fri, 26 August 2011 05:17

gmcrv1

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Rob,

Thanks, Rob - with friends like you... (lol - kidding!)

Other then the manufacturer of the foam backed wood grain in Arkansas, the
Komacel & Sintra must have websites.

I like working with Sintra (or Komacel) easily worked. I cut it with a
utility knife as you would sheet rock, Several scores and you will cut
right through. I good finish edge can be achieved by dressing with
sandpaper, It can also be painted - but I would recommend spraying over
brushing. We cut it on a CNC machine when making 3-D letters and designs

I will update when I get to work.

Thanks,

Tom

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Congratulations by the power vested in me by the GMCnet (NONE) you've just
> been appointed interior sandwich panel Guru since you
> work with this stuff all the time! ;-)
>
> Can you provide links to all this stuff so we can see what's out there?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Eckert
>
> Komatex, Komacel and also Sintra are trade names for sheet materials mainly
> used in the sign business. There are about 10 colors. Stock thicknesses
> are
> from 1/8"-1/2". Another new product on the market is a high pressure
> laminated specialty foam board. It is a high gloss Formica or Wilsonart
> looking material with a foam core that is available from 3/16" thick up to
> 3". I have a sample and I would bet it is not cheap. The woodgrain is on
> a
> very thin metal substrate laminated to the foam. It is manufactured in
> Bentonville, AR, by United Industries. Foam core is available in black or
> white.
>
> The Kometex and SIntra products can be bought from Tubelite, Reese or any
> good sign supply house. Available in 4'x8' or 5'x10' sheets.
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] correction on formica for ceiling panels [message #141039 is a reply to message #140986]

Fri, 26 August 2011 06:04

John Gann

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On 8/25/2011 8:53 PM, steve & debbie wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I made a comment recently about using formica for ceiling panels.
> I should have said Wilsonart laminate, i used a generic term.
> Not sure that formica will follow the curve needed on the ceiling wall curve, as formica laminate is thicker, than the wilsonart laminate.
>
> Thanks folks.
I can share some info on this, having built custom cabinets for years
along with lots of laminate work. There are basically horizontal and
vertical grades. Vertical is thinner and takes a tighter bend than the
thick horizontal stuff. It is used for back splashes, liners for
drawers/cabinets or anywhere a really tight bend is needed. Laminate
does have a "grain" if you will, since it's basically paper "plywood"
made of layers of paper and glue. You can use this property to either
stiffen the panel in the flatter parts, or turn it 90 deg and make the
radius easier. If it were me I would go for the stiffness in the middle
and use a heat source to coax it through the radius. I have a commercial
heat gun, but a hairdryer (NOT her good one) will also work. Our coach
came with FRP panel on the ceiling and it has buckled due to improper
installation- none of the screw holes were slotted. The correct way to
connect it to the ceiling ribs is via tight screws in non slotted holes
down the center line of the coach. All other screws should be in
oversized holes and backed off slightly so the panel can move as it
heats and cools and leave a gap all around covered with trim.
Laminate/FRP is easily scored and snapped so you don't need a lot of
special tools, but a helper is preferred. If you want to save some
money, ask your supplier if they have any old stock from last year or
any unclaimed "will call" orders that were not picked up. Good luck and
wear gloves, it bites.
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