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mschultz is currently offline  mschultz   United States
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I seem to be having a problem with the house battery heating up. I have read the issues about the combiner and have disconnected the starter battery when pugged in. The Progressive Dynamics converter seems to be cooking the battery. The only way I have found to make it less hot is to put the PD in the maintanence mode. Problem is it will not stay there, reverting back to full charge. The age of the battery is unknown. Any thoughts?
Re: Hot Battery [message #135284 is a reply to message #135277] Wed, 20 July 2011 03:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This sounds like a shorted cell in a battery but it could be a problem with the PD unit.

Put a volt meter across the battery and see what the voltage is. If you read 14 volts or less with the PD unit turned on, then the problem is with the battery(s). If you read above 14.5 volts and above then the PD unit has a problem. I would leave that combiner disconnected until you find the problem. I hate to see you cook the starting battery also. There is seldom a reason to charge the starting battery when parked unless you are running the dash radio or are parking it for months and want it topped off in maintenance mode. So leaving it connected may just compound your problem.


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Re: [GMCnet] Hot Battery [message #135287 is a reply to message #135284] Wed, 20 July 2011 05:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this is what the voltages should look like , over time
http://goo.gl/LtxQb
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 1:51 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> This sounds like a shorted cell in a battery but it could be a problem with
> the PD unit.
>
> Put a volt meter across the battery and see what the voltage is. If you
> read 14 volts or less with the PD unit turned on, then the problem is with
> the battery(s). If you read above 14.5 volts and above then the PD unit has
> a problem. I would leave that combiner disconnected until you find the
> problem. I hate to see you cook the starting battery also. There is seldom
> a reason to charge the starting battery when parked unless you are running
> the dash radio or are parking it for months and want it topped off in
> maintenance mode. So leaving it connected may just compound your problem.
> --
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> Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Hot Battery [message #135309 is a reply to message #135277] Wed, 20 July 2011 08:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the help. I have measured the voltage at 14.0 as best measured on the anolog meter with the PD converter on full charge. I have pulled the battery and discovered it is a Interstate 4D-XHD 1000cca which my parts supplied says is a industrial heavy duty battery, but not a deep cycle. Which is probably correct since the ID says indicates the cold cranking amps. It was installed in june of 2003. Measuring from cell to cell, I have 1 volt from + to cell, 2 volts from cell to cell and actually a slight negative from last cell to neg. post. So, there is the problem. The most cost effective solution is two 6 volt deep cycle golf cart batteries, which should be far superior to what I have had. Any further thoughts?
PD for scooter? [message #135310 is a reply to message #135287] Wed, 20 July 2011 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would like to buy a smart charger (PD or ??) to charge my
50 cc scooters. They have very small 12v batteries.

The scooters sit without starting for months, so need a little help.


Quick search for an example...

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r3/motorcycle-battery-charger/xtreme-charge.htm



What should I look for in a good charger? Which specs are
more important to look for?




Bukzin
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6 volts [message #135313 is a reply to message #135309] Wed, 20 July 2011 09:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bukzin is currently offline  bukzin   United States
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Lots of folks like the Trojan brand.

More money but better.


Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
Re: PD for scooter? [message #135318 is a reply to message #135310] Wed, 20 July 2011 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bukzin wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 08:38

I would like to buy a smart charger (PD or ??) to charge my
50 cc scooters. They have very small 12v batteries.

The scooters sit without starting for months, so need a little help.


What should I look for in a good charger? Which specs are
more important to look for?





Most of these things do not have advertised "specs" as such but just a description of operation. I have both a Battery Tender (R) and a Battery Minder (R). Both do the job on my vehicles and motorcycles. Another alternative would be a real cheap trickle charger and a lamp timer. Set the timer to turn on for the shortest time possible and plug the cheap charger into it. It should keep the battery charged without boiling it out. I used this method many years ago without problem but believe the newer devices take better care of the battery, especially if equipped with the desufation system.


Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
Re: [GMCnet] 6 volts [message #135320 is a reply to message #135313] Wed, 20 July 2011 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crown is also a good brand AND made in the US of A!

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Lots of folks like the Trojan brand.

More money but better.
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Re: PD for scooter? [message #135333 is a reply to message #135318] Wed, 20 July 2011 11:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good tips.



I have several scooters/trail bikes. If money were not object
which charger/tender would you get?


Thanks


Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
Re: Hot Battery [message #135340 is a reply to message #135277] Wed, 20 July 2011 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I seem to recall that Battery Tende makes a charger with multiple outputs for your type of situation.

I have used a Battery Tender with good luck, as well as small Schumacher chargers. I've even had luck with some small Harbor Freight chargers, but I always assume you get what you pay for.
Hooking a small one up to a lamp timer may not be a bad idea as well.


George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
icon6.gif  Re: Hot Battery [message #135361 is a reply to message #135277] Wed, 20 July 2011 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Interesting drifting here. Out of four posts, two were helpful to my plight, 5 are on to charging their motorcycles and two were from myself. Well now three. Anyway, new batteries, two 6 volt in series, golf cart type are installed and we shall see if they heat up or not in the next couple of hours. Of course with the heat, even up in Michigan, they have a head start. Stay cool all.
Re: Hot Battery [message #135365 is a reply to message #135277] Wed, 20 July 2011 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suspect your problem is now solved. I was curious what the standing voltage was on your old 12v when unhooked.
Let us know if the new batteries took care of the problem.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Hot Battery [message #135373 is a reply to message #135309] Wed, 20 July 2011 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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June of '03?  OK, 8 years of service is a good life for a battery.  Replace and continue on.
 
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--- On Wed, 7/20/11, Michael Schultz <mschultz2002@chartermi.net> wrote:


From: Michael Schultz <mschultz2002@chartermi.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Hot Battery
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 1:31 PM




Thanks for the help. I have measured the voltage at 14.0 as best measured on the anolog meter with the PD converter on full charge. I have pulled the battery and discovered it is a Interstate 4D-XHD 1000cca which my parts supplied says is a industrial heavy duty battery, but not a deep cycle. Which is probably correct since the ID says indicates the cold cranking amps.  It was installed in june of 2003. Measuring from cell to cell, I have 1 volt from + to cell, 2 volts from cell to cell and actually a slight negative from last cell to neg. post. So, there is the problem. The most cost effective solution is two 6 volt deep cycle golf cart batteries, which should be far superior to what I have had. Any further thoughts?
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Re: Hot Battery [message #135374 is a reply to message #135361] Wed, 20 July 2011 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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mschultz wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 16:06

Interesting drifting here. Out of four posts, two were helpful to my plight, 5 are on to charging their motorcycles and two were from myself.
Drift happens.
Re: Hot Battery [message #135395 is a reply to message #135309] Wed, 20 July 2011 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It sounds like you found your problem.

Go for the new ones. Sam's Club is the cheapest that I know of and they go through pallets of them every summer. So they are selling you fresh batteries. Mine have been installed for 7 or 8 years now and they still going strong.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: Hot Battery [message #135398 is a reply to message #135277] Wed, 20 July 2011 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While I was at Costco getting new tires for the GMC, I noted that they now carry Kirkland Golf Cart Batteries. They were $90 each. I've had good luck with Trojan T105's in other applications, but they are more expensive.

Jack Christensen - K6ROW, '76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet", Sebastopol, CA
Re: [GMCnet] Hot Battery [message #135411 is a reply to message #135398] Thu, 21 July 2011 02:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

I need to buy new house batteries for The Blue Streak and dug up the
following websites to do some research:

Crown Batteries

http://www.crownbattery.com/

Trojan Batteries

http://www.trojanbattery.com/

US Batteries

http://www.usbattery.com/usb_index.html

NO Wal-Marts in Aus!

The Sydney Costco opened TODAY.

I've read a few on line articles and there's lots of bunnies heading there
thinking they're going to see US prices on stuff! I'll bet dollars (US or
Aussie) that they going to be disappointed!

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Re: [GMCnet] PD for scooter? [message #135421 is a reply to message #135310] Thu, 21 July 2011 06:31 Go to previous message
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We have two motorcycles and those inexpensive battery tenders work well.
When I'm not using them on the bikes, I hook 'em up to my classic cars which
sit for long periods of time also. The never over charge. Got one at
O'Reilly auto parts.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Richard <bukzin@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> I would like to buy a smart charger (PD or ??) to charge my
> 50 cc scooters. They have very small 12v batteries.
>
> The scooters sit without starting for months, so need a little help.
>
>
> Quick search for an example...
>
> http://www.webbikeworld.com/r3/motorcycle-battery-charger/xtreme-charge.htm
>
>
>
> What should I look for in a good charger? Which specs are
> more important to look for?
>
>
>
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