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| GMC Mufflers [message #135111] |
Mon, 18 July 2011 21:25  |
biggreen
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Looking at new mufflers for my coach (77 403 w/thorley headers) Don't need complete system now. I know systems for sale at the usual places. Flowmasters? 50 series seems most appropriate in size and noise. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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| Re: GMC Mufflers [message #135116 is a reply to message #135111] |
Mon, 18 July 2011 21:54  |
roy1
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If it were me I would get Walker Dynamax mufflers they are a 3 pass oval muffler and come in most sizes and fit where the existing mufflers were they have a nice sound pretty quiet and are not restrictive. They are around $50 each at Summit.
Roy
Roy Keen
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76 X Glenbrook
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135155 is a reply to message #135135] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 09:03 |
Keith V
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The single rear muffler is the recommended solution!
Use 2/12 inch to a 3 inch pipe to a flowmaster 70.
here is my install before I added the auger insert and flex couplings on the Y tubes to eliminate vibration.
I put a single rear Flowmaster 70 on my Royale and wasn't too happy.
It was quite a bit too loud and rappy. Amazingly rappy for a low compression 455.
I have a 69 Vette with side exhaust that uses auger mufflers from Speedway Motors in the sidepipes. These Augers flow very well, are very simple and can be stuffed into any 3" pipe ( they also make a 3.5" version). They even work pretty good too. I wondered what would happen if I added one of them to the motorhomes system.
So this weekend I opened the exhaust and put a 3" auger in the pipe that goes from the Y to the main tube running along the side.
It's MUCH better! The auger takes the rap out of the system making it much smoother. I think I can live with this.
If I were to do another system I would use the 70 in back and 2 augers in the main pipe. Just stuff them in and forget them.
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| Re: GMC Mufflers [message #135184 is a reply to message #135111] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 12:27 |
Jon payne
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Flowmaster 50's would be very loud inside and out. I have the rear single muffler set up using a Flowmaster 70. Sounds awesome outside but as typical with Flowmaster they resonate. Even with the 70 way in the back it gets a little annoying. Eventually I will replace the 70 with something much quieter. Again, it does sound great outside! Nice rumble.
Jon
Jon Payne
76 Palm Beach
Westfield,IN
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135196 is a reply to message #135191] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 13:11 |
Jon payne
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Hi Emery, I agree what you say about higher speeds it does quiet down a bunch. In fact when I was servicing my dash A/C I had the engine RPM around 1600 and noticed how quite it was. For me the most annoying is at lower speeds, like in town. Just too much resonating for my tastes (for a motorhome anyway).
Jon
Jon Payne
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Westfield,IN
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135199 is a reply to message #135131] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 13:40 |
Ken Burton
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 02:42 |
G'day,
Just wondering if it's feasible to replace the two mufflers up front with
straight pipes and install a single muffler at the back?
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Yes,
That is exactly what I did. After one of my front Dynamax (Walker) mufflers suffered a burned hole in the top the size of a softball, I replaced both with straight pipes. Then I cut the rear pipe and put in a Flowmaster WITH A HEAT SHIELD on top of it. It was not a major job. I did it all on the floor of my hanger.
I reused all of the old pipes. If you are going to replace the pipes then just order the whole system from Jim K.
Side note: I replaced the front mufflers up front first. Then I started it up and drove it with just straight pipes allthe way to the rear. Laurie drove it to the other end of the runway and you could hear it one mile away. After that I installed the rear Flowmaster.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135206 is a reply to message #135199] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 14:00 |
James Hupy
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Why is it that you Harley riders out there modify your bikes to produce more
exhaust noise, when the factory works their engineers overtime to protect
the torque curve and engineer a quiet exhaust that does just that. But then,
you want a quiet GMC, go figure.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Robert Mueller wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 02:42
> > G'day,
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> > Just wondering if it's feasible to replace the two mufflers up front with
> > straight pipes and install a single muffler at the back?
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> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > Sydney, Australia
> > AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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> Yes,
>
> That is exactly what I did. After one of my front Dynamax (Walker)
> mufflers suffered a burned hole in the top the size of a softball, I
> replaced both with straight pipes. Then I cut the rear pipe and put in a
> Flowmaster WITH A HEAT SHIELD on top of it. It was not a major job. I did
> it all on the floor of my hanger.
>
> I reused all of the old pipes. If you are going to replace the pipes then
> just order the whole system from Jim K.
>
> Side note: I replaced the front mufflers up front first. Then I started
> it up and drove it with just straight pipes allthe way to the rear. Laurie
> drove it to the other end of the runway and you could hear it one mile away.
> After that I installed the rear Flowmaster.
>
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135258 is a reply to message #135206] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 20:28 |
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Jim,
Number of reasons:
1) We're a bunch of posers that want to attract attention.
2) The stock mufflers sound like crap.
3) In the American tradition you hop up your Harley EVO with:
Branch bathtub combustion chamber heads
Crane cam
Crane single fire ignition
Rivera lightweight pushrods
Mikuni HS 42 carb
The stock pipes ain't gonna work. There is an exhaust system called the
Thunderheader that works the best with this setup. IIRC when I dyno'd it the
standard rear wheel horsepower went from 58 to 90.
I try to ride taking where I am / what - who is around me. I control the
amount of noise it makes with my right hand, when I ride in town I easy the
throttle on and it's not bad. On the highway it is loud and so I ride down
the back. The street I live on here in Sydney has a rise and I agree the
riders (and cars) that go flying up my street are morons! I had a chat with
a police officer once who noted they had setup a speed camera at the top of
our street and actually caught drivers doing almost 100kph (60mph)!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: James Hupy
Why is it that you Harley riders out there modify your bikes to produce more
exhaust noise, when the factory works their engineers overtime to protect
the torque curve and engineer a quiet exhaust that does just that. But then,
you want a quiet GMC, go figure.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
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'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135271 is a reply to message #135258] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 21:52 |
James Hupy
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Rob, I already knew the answer to my questions.<Grin> I have extensively
modified many motorcycle exhaust systems, as well as many hop ups. I was
more speaking about, or more specifically, throwing sarcastic barbs at,
owners of coaches who modify their stock exhaust and then complain about the
resulting noise. Sound is so subjective. A V-12 ferrari makes music to me
when at full song, as does a well tuned GMC Oldsmobile 455. I am somewhat
hearing impaired, thanks to 105 MM and 106 MM recoilless rifles and other
large military hardware, as well as open headers on slingshot dragsters
without benefit of hearing protection. When an exhaust pipe passes through a
crossmember and resonates to the point where it makes contact with the
crossmember, to me it is like fingernails on a chalkboard. It sets my teeth
on edge. Good to hear from you. Am in the midst of planning for the Great
Oregon Steam Up Rally for the GMC Cascaders. It will take place at a large
cluster of museums in the willamette valley that all feature equipment from
a bygone era, some steam, some early gas engines, etc. I like em all.
Currently working on a burn job coach, electrical wire harness under hood.
Dead shorted positive battery cable to ground path. Melted a lot of crap.
Watch those battery hold downs. They vibrate loose and let the batteries
have their own walkabout. This might be a good addition to your fire
prevention documentation.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Number of reasons:
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> 1) We're a bunch of posers that want to attract attention.
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> 2) The stock mufflers sound like crap.
>
> 3) In the American tradition you hop up your Harley EVO with:
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> Branch bathtub combustion chamber heads
> Crane cam
> Crane single fire ignition
> Rivera lightweight pushrods
> Mikuni HS 42 carb
>
> The stock pipes ain't gonna work. There is an exhaust system called the
> Thunderheader that works the best with this setup. IIRC when I dyno'd it
> the
> standard rear wheel horsepower went from 58 to 90.
>
> I try to ride taking where I am / what - who is around me. I control the
> amount of noise it makes with my right hand, when I ride in town I easy the
> throttle on and it's not bad. On the highway it is loud and so I ride down
> the back. The street I live on here in Sydney has a rise and I agree the
> riders (and cars) that go flying up my street are morons! I had a chat with
> a police officer once who noted they had setup a speed camera at the top of
> our street and actually caught drivers doing almost 100kph (60mph)!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Hupy
>
> Why is it that you Harley riders out there modify your bikes to produce
> more
> exhaust noise, when the factory works their engineers overtime to protect
> the torque curve and engineer a quiet exhaust that does just that. But
> then,
> you want a quiet GMC, go figure.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135290 is a reply to message #135206] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 06:25 |
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| James Hupy wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 12:00 |
Why is it that you Harley riders out there modify your bikes to produce more
exhaust noise, when the factory works their engineers overtime to protect
the torque curve and engineer a quiet exhaust that does just that. ...
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It was once explained to me: "They might be able to say they did not see me, but they will not ever be able to say they didn't hear me!"
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135294 is a reply to message #135290] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 07:22 |
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| Mike Miller wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 07:25 |
| James Hupy wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 12:00 |
Why is it that you Harley riders out there modify your bikes to produce more
exhaust noise, when the factory works their engineers overtime to protect
the torque curve and engineer a quiet exhaust that does just that. ...
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It was once explained to me: "They might be able to say they did not see me, but they will not ever be able to say they didn't hear me!"
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You only hear them after they pass you then it is just an annoying sound you want to put out of it's misery.
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135298 is a reply to message #135294] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 07:27 |
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Every time I get the yen for another scooter (We had a bunch over the years before we moved to North Ga) I observe as I did yesterday driving up I 985 from the bus lot - some po' bassett in the median with his Harley dresser on its side skinned up and being ministered to by the EMTs. Run off the highway by a poot in a Suburban going for a pass. "I had the right - of - way" isn't my idea of a decent epitaph. Yall enjoy, I'll watch from the GMC.
And the bvest 'song'? Hailwood I believe it was lapping Talladega on the 6ccyly 250 Honda.
--johnny
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 12:22 PM
Mike Miller wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 07:25
> James Hupy wrote on Tue, 19 July 2011 12:00
> > Why is it that you Harley riders out there modify your bikes to produce more
> > exhaust noise, when the factory works their engineers overtime to protect
> > the torque curve and engineer a quiet exhaust that does just that. ...
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> It was once explained to me: "They might be able to say they did not see me, but they will not ever be able to say they didn't hear me!"
You only hear them after they pass you then it is just an annoying sound you want to put out of it's misery.
--
John H. Bell
77 Royale
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135312 is a reply to message #135298] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 08:58 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 07:27 |
Every time I get the yen for another scooter (We had a bunch over the years before we moved to North Ga) I observe as I did yesterday driving up I 985 from the bus lot - some po' bassett in the median with his Harley dresser on its side skinned up and being ministered to by the EMTs. Run off the highway by a poot in a Suburban going for a pass. "I had the right - of - way" isn't my idea of a decent epitaph. Yall enjoy, I'll watch from the GMC.
And the bvest 'song'? Hailwood I believe it was lapping Talladega on the 6ccyly 250 Honda.
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I would Bet the harly was not going the speed limit, watching traffic nor driving carefully.
I ride a bike often and most issues happen when the bike is overtaking cars. No one expects the bike to suddenly appear beside them. And yes, bikes ARE hard to see...
And loud pipes save lives? Give me a break. I would also bet that the louder the pipes the more likely the owner will crash the bike at some point as they tend to be the more reckless rider.
<rant off>
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135314 is a reply to message #135312] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 09:27 |
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Never driven the N Georgia freeways, have ya? NObody goes the speed limit. Set it on 70 in the outside lane, everyone will pass you, many will honk, and you'll get the occasional one finger salute. On that stretch of road at that time, I suspect the biker was going with the left lane flow.
--johnny
--- On Wed, 7/20/11, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 1:58 PM
Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 07:27
> Every time I get the yen for another scooter (We had a bunch over the years before we moved to North Ga) I observe as I did yesterday driving up I 985 from the bus lot - some po' bassett in the median with his Harley dresser on its side skinned up and being ministered to by the EMTs. Run off the highway by a poot in a Suburban going for a pass. "I had the right - of - way" isn't my idea of a decent epitaph. Yall enjoy, I'll watch from the GMC.
> And the bvest 'song'? Hailwood I believe it was lapping Talladega on the 6ccyly 250 Honda.
I would Bet the harly was not going the speed limit, watching traffic nor driving carefully.
I ride a bike often and most issues happen when the bike is overtaking cars. No one expects the bike to suddenly appear beside them. And yes, bikes ARE hard to see...
And loud pipes save lives? Give me a break. I would also bet that the louder the pipes the more likely the owner will crash the bike at some point as they tend to be the more reckless rider.
<rant off>
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Keith
69 Vette
29 Dodge
75 Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135319 is a reply to message #135312] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 09:45 |
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Keith,
Come this September 2nd when I turn 65 I will have been riding bikes for 48
years.
I have survived that long by riding with the following thought in mind;
"nobody sees, me nobody hears me, everybody is going to run me over!"
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Keith V
I would Bet the harly was not going the speed limit, watching traffic nor
driving carefully.
I ride a bike often and most issues happen when the bike is overtaking cars.
No one expects the bike to suddenly appear beside them. And yes, bikes ARE
hard to see...
And loud pipes save lives? Give me a break. I would also bet that the louder
the pipes the more likely the owner will crash the bike at some point as
they tend to be the more reckless rider.
<rant off>
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Keith
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135372 is a reply to message #135314] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 17:27 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 10:27 |
Never driven the N Georgia freeways, have ya? NObody goes the speed limit. Set it on 70 in the outside lane, everyone will pass you, many will honk, and you'll get the occasional one finger salute. On that stretch of road at that time, I suspect the biker was going with the left lane flow.
--johnny
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Johnny,
I have found setting my cruise control on the speed limit is the best way to drive. You never have to worry about people being in front of you. They all are going faster and don't bother pulling over in front of you. Just a enjoyable drive and you can enjoy the scenery.
Gene Dotson
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers [message #135377 is a reply to message #135372] |
Wed, 20 July 2011 17:55 |
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Lemme clarify. I run the GMC around 55-60 on cruise. This gets about 2350-2500 on the tach, and apopears to give reasonable mileage. For my commute to the bus stop, I punch up the limit (70) and slide down the right lane just like you. And get honks and fingers from the proles who want to spend money for the privlege of sitting in Atlanta traffic. I give Gwinnett Transit four bux and they deliver me to a block from the studios, down the HOV lane at 70. I have a large cup and read the morning paper. Afternoons, I do the crossword. I can't buy the gas for the trip for $8.
My initial point though was the traffic here isn't fun, you need something the size of the GMC to command respect. Or the MCI diesel pushers GCT uses. Few car drivers pay any attention to scooters, a truly dangerous situation and why I no longer have one.
--johnny
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From: Gene Dotson <shawnee@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Mufflers
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 10:27 PM
Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 20 July 2011 10:27
> Never driven the N Georgia freeways, have ya? NObody goes the speed limit. Set it on 70 in the outside lane, everyone will pass you, many will honk, and you'll get the occasional one finger salute. On that stretch of road at that time, I suspect the biker was going with the left lane flow.
>
> --johnny
Johnny,
I have found setting my cruise control on the speed limit is the best way to drive. You never have to worry about people being in front of you. They all are going faster and don't bother pulling over in front of you. Just a enjoyable drive and you can enjoy the scenery.
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Gene Dotson
74 Canyonlands
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