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Fri, 15 July 2011 18:43  |
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Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
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Les
Thousand Oaks Ca
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| Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #134817 is a reply to message #134749] |
Sat, 16 July 2011 11:47  |
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| emerystora wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 17:25 |
On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Les Leach wrote:
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> Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
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> Thanks
> Les
> Thousand Oaks Ca
Les, by now you should already know my opinion about additives!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
I usually put these products into the category of "Too good to be true".
Les
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| Re: Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #134843 is a reply to message #134831] |
Sat, 16 July 2011 15:49 |
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| mcolie wrote on Sat, 16 July 2011 11:59 |
| Who_dun_it wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 19:43 |
Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
Thanks
Les
Thousand Oaks Ca
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Well,
I took more time than I should have wasted to digest the published data. Their data is not complete. It takes WAY MORE than they did to confirm and validate emissions data. But hey, I only spent about thirty years doing engine testing.
As for fuel rate testing - there were none of the required controls.
Matt
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This is not surprising to me, the layman. The lady that is plugging the stuff, a member of another motorhome group that we belong to, was telling about rocket scientists (really) and all the work that went into developing the product for this application. From my perspective, if you are looking for gas mileage, drive a small vehicle with a small engine.
Les
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| Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #134845 is a reply to message #134843] |
Sat, 16 July 2011 16:00 |
emerystora
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On Jul 16, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Les Leach wrote:
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> mcolie wrote on Sat, 16 July 2011 11:59
>> Who_dun_it wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 19:43
>>> Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Les
>>> Thousand Oaks Ca
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>> Well,
>>
>> I took more time than I should have wasted to digest the published data. Their data is not complete. It takes WAY MORE than they did to confirm and validate emissions data. But hey, I only spent about thirty years doing engine testing.
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>> As for fuel rate testing - there were none of the required controls.
>>
>> Matt
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> This is not surprising to me, the layman. The lady that is plugging the stuff, a member of another motorhome group that we belong to, was telling about rocket scientists (really) and all the work that went into developing the product for this application. From my perspective, if you are looking for gas mileage, drive a small vehicle with a small engine.
>
> Les
Les, if I were driving a rocket I might listen to "rocket scientists". Since I drive a car (or motorhome) I would rather listen to automotive engineers!
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #134848 is a reply to message #134845] |
Sat, 16 July 2011 16:28 |
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Applying "rocket science" to Detroit motor vehicles that were engineered by
the same people that brought you the vega, does not seem to me to have any
application. The technology in the GMC motor home, while pretty snazzy for
the 70s, relied on basic engineering concepts and methods that were present
in the mid 50s, with the added influence of bean counters. Not much rocket
science here. They can benefit somewhat from improved fuel delivery systems
and certainly the aluminum radiators are a good addition. But a brass tanked
fin and tube soldered radiator has a very long service life, which is just
about up. Not too much wrong with a pilot light on a water heater or a range
either. Better than scratching your head wondering if your $100.00 printed
circuit board is at fault, or if you are only out of Propane. Onan
generators have at least a 2500 hour service life between overhauls, but the
circuit board controller probably does not, considering that they were
assembled by human hands and the components were all mounted, not
integrated, and most of the connections were soldered by hand. Those types
of boards are subject to vibration failures as well as overheat and voltage
spikes. If you follow the messages on the net for any time at all, that and
ignition and fuel delivery problems are the most common.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
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> On Jul 16, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Les Leach wrote:
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> >
> >
> > mcolie wrote on Sat, 16 July 2011 11:59
> >> Who_dun_it wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 19:43
> >>> Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had
> information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these
> products as just another way to get our money.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Les
> >>> Thousand Oaks Ca
> >>
> >> Well,
> >>
> >> I took more time than I should have wasted to digest the published data.
> Their data is not complete. It takes WAY MORE than they did to confirm and
> validate emissions data. But hey, I only spent about thirty years doing
> engine testing.
> >>
> >> As for fuel rate testing - there were none of the required controls.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >
> >
> > This is not surprising to me, the layman. The lady that is plugging the
> stuff, a member of another motorhome group that we belong to, was telling
> about rocket scientists (really) and all the work that went into developing
> the product for this application. From my perspective, if you are looking
> for gas mileage, drive a small vehicle with a small engine.
> >
> > Les
>
> Les, if I were driving a rocket I might listen to "rocket scientists".
> Since I drive a car (or motorhome) I would rather listen to automotive
> engineers!
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #135092 is a reply to message #134831] |
Mon, 18 July 2011 19:56 |
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And what would your employers - or ANY auto manufacturer give for ANYthing which didn't affect driveability but gave a noticeable mileage increase? Can you say 'rich beyond your wildest dreams....'?
--johnny
--- On Sat, 7/16/11, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 6:59 PM
Who_dun_it wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 19:43
> Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
>
> Thanks
> Les
> Thousand Oaks Ca
Well,
I took more time than I should have wasted to digest the published data. Their data is not complete. It takes WAY MORE than they did to confirm and validate emissions data. But hey, I only spent about thirty years doing engine testing.
As for fuel rate testing - there were none of the required controls.
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #135093 is a reply to message #135092] |
Mon, 18 July 2011 20:00 |
Dolph Santorine
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There is this first law of thermodynamics thing that gets in the way of things like this, and perpetual motion machines.
Which reminds me.... Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the LAW<G>
Dolph Santorine
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
dolph@dolphsantorine.com
1976 GMC 26'
TZE166V101610
On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> And what would your employers - or ANY auto manufacturer give for ANYthing which didn't affect driveability but gave a noticeable mileage increase? Can you say 'rich beyond your wildest dreams....'?
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> --johnny
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> --- On Sat, 7/16/11, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 6:59 PM
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> Who_dun_it wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 19:43
>> Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Les
>> Thousand Oaks Ca
>
> Well,
>
> I took more time than I should have wasted to digest the published data. Their data is not complete. It takes WAY MORE than they did to confirm and validate emissions data. But hey, I only spent about thirty years doing engine testing.
>
> As for fuel rate testing - there were none of the required controls.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #135157 is a reply to message #135093] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 08:59 |
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True, but as soon as my 35 million com,es in from the banker in Uganda I'm helping, I'll have enough money to repeal the First Law!
--johnny
--- On Tue, 7/19/11, Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com> wrote:
From: Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 1:00 AM
There is this first law of thermodynamics thing that gets in the way of things like this, and perpetual motion machines.
Which reminds me.... Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the LAW<G>
Dolph Santorine
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
dolph@dolphsantorine.com
1976 GMC 26'
TZE166V101610
On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
> And what would your employers - or ANY auto manufacturer give for ANYthing which didn't affect driveability but gave a noticeable mileage increase? Can you say 'rich beyond your wildest dreams....'?
>
> --johnny
>
>
> --- On Sat, 7/16/11, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 6:59 PM
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> Who_dun_it wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 19:43
>> Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Les
>> Thousand Oaks Ca
>
> Well,
>
> I took more time than I should have wasted to digest the published data. Their data is not complete. It takes WAY MORE than they did to confirm and validate emissions data. But hey, I only spent about thirty years doing engine testing.
>
> As for fuel rate testing - there were none of the required controls.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie
> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive [message #135200 is a reply to message #135157] |
Tue, 19 July 2011 13:36 |
Dolph Santorine
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Must be true, I read it on the Internet.
Right after GM was assimilated by Obama, a group of bureaucrats visited GM with a list of demands for a new car. One of the engineers commented on their demand for 150 miles per gallon, saying that it violated the laws of physics. They wanted to know who's law that was so they could get it repealed.
Dolph Santorine
adolph@Santorine.org
Excuse me for not being my usual wordy and sporadically verbose self. This message is sent from my iPhone.
No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Johnny Bridges <jhbridges@ymail.com> wrote:
> True, but as soon as my 35 million com,es in from the banker in Uganda I'm helping, I'll have enough money to repeal the First Law!
>
> --johnny
>
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> --- On Tue, 7/19/11, Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com> wrote:
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> From: Dolph Santorine <dolph@dolphsantorine.com>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 1:00 AM
>
>
> There is this first law of thermodynamics thing that gets in the way of things like this, and perpetual motion machines.
>
> Which reminds me.... Gravity, it's not just a good idea, it's the LAW<G>
>
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE N8JPC
> Wheeling, West Virginia
> dolph@dolphsantorine.com
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> 1976 GMC 26'
> TZE166V101610
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> On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Johnny Bridges wrote:
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>> And what would your employers - or ANY auto manufacturer give for ANYthing which didn't affect driveability but gave a noticeable mileage increase? Can you say 'rich beyond your wildest dreams....'?
>>
>> --johnny
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 7/16/11, Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> From: Matt Colie <matt7323tze@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Greenfoot Global, another additive
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 6:59 PM
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>>
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>> Who_dun_it wrote on Fri, 15 July 2011 19:43
>>> Has anyone had experience with this "product"? I recently had information handed to me about this. Generally, I regard all of these products as just another way to get our money.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Les
>>> Thousand Oaks Ca
>>
>> Well,
>>
>> I took more time than I should have wasted to digest the published data. Their data is not complete. It takes WAY MORE than they did to confirm and validate emissions data. But hey, I only spent about thirty years doing engine testing.
>>
>> As for fuel rate testing - there were none of the required controls.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie
>> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>> _______________________________________________
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