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Wed, 06 July 2011 13:11  |
k2gkk
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Upon inspecting my newly-purchased distributor,
I checked for play of the shaft. There is maybe
1/16 inch of vertical play on the shaft; no trace
of any side-to-side wobble.
I feel that is probably a normal amount of play
to expect when the distributor is installed.
Any comments?
The maching of the aluminum body looks VERY nice!
Thanks.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133511 is a reply to message #133510] |
Wed, 06 July 2011 13:20  |
jhbridges
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So long as the cam is driving it, it will go to the end of that play because of the bevel of the drive gear and stay there. Won't matter unless or until it moves the rotor so far up or down it (the rotor) either hits something or the center contact pulls away from the fixed HV feed. Which in each instance would take maybe half an inch of endplay. That shaft isn't ever gonna see 2500 RPM, I wouldn't worry over a 16th of end play.
--johnny
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From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 6:11 PM
Upon inspecting my newly-purchased distributor,
I checked for play of the shaft. There is maybe
1/16 inch of vertical play on the shaft; no trace
of any side-to-side wobble.
I feel that is probably a normal amount of play
to expect when the distributor is installed.
Any comments?
The maching of the aluminum body looks VERY nice!
Thanks.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
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~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
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~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133512 is a reply to message #133511] |
Wed, 06 July 2011 13:33 |
k2gkk
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Thanks, Johnny.
It's been over 50 years since I pulled and
reinstalled a distributor (1950 Ford V8
flathead). I remember a small amount of
endplay from then.
Sorry 'bout my typo on "machining."
Cheers!
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~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:20:02 -0700
> From: jhbridges@ymail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
>
> So long as the cam is driving it, it will go to the end of that play because of the bevel of the drive gear and stay there. Won't matter unless or until it moves the rotor so far up or down it (the rotor) either hits something or the center contact pulls away from the fixed HV feed. Which in each instance would take maybe half an inch of endplay. That shaft isn't ever gonna see 2500 RPM, I wouldn't worry over a 16th of end play.
>
> --johnny
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/6/11, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 6:11 PM
>
> Upon inspecting my newly-purchased distributor,
> I checked for play of the shaft. There is maybe
> 1/16 inch of vertical play on the shaft; no trace
> of any side-to-side wobble.
>
> I feel that is probably a normal amount of play
> to expect when the distributor is installed.
>
> Any comments?
>
> The machining of the aluminum body looks VERY nice!
>
> Thanks.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133513 is a reply to message #133512] |
Wed, 06 July 2011 13:54 |
jhbridges
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Bud had a '39 Binnisman's Coupe flathead, with the 'beehive' on the front. We went to 10:1 with offenhauser aluminum heads, and a manifold with two Stromber 97s on. My first experience with hotrods. 'Bout halfway through the season at the old Montgomery Dragway, he missed a shift and lunched the mill all over the right lane. Tachs didn't have telltales - or at least ours didn't.. but we found out, there >is< a limit to how fast you can spin one before it fails a rod.
--johnny
--- On Wed, 7/6/11, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 6:33 PM
Thanks, Johnny.
It's been over 50 years since I pulled and
reinstalled a distributor (1950 Ford V8
flathead). I remember a small amount of
endplay from then.
Sorry 'bout my typo on "machining."
Cheers!
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:20:02 -0700
> From: jhbridges@ymail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
>
> So long as the cam is driving it, it will go to the end of that play because of the bevel of the drive gear and stay there. Won't matter unless or until it moves the rotor so far up or down it (the rotor) either hits something or the center contact pulls away from the fixed HV feed. Which in each instance would take maybe half an inch of endplay. That shaft isn't ever gonna see 2500 RPM, I wouldn't worry over a 16th of end play.
>
> --johnny
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/6/11, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 6:11 PM
>
> Upon inspecting my newly-purchased distributor,
> I checked for play of the shaft. There is maybe
> 1/16 inch of vertical play on the shaft; no trace
> of any side-to-side wobble.
>
> I feel that is probably a normal amount of play
> to expect when the distributor is installed.
>
> Any comments?
>
> The machining of the aluminum body looks VERY nice!
>
> Thanks.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133517 is a reply to message #133513] |
Wed, 06 July 2011 14:06 |
k2gkk
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I remember watching a hemi-engined dragster
come apart at a dragstrip near Fredonia or
Dunkirk, NY back in the late 50's. Quite a
sight, to say the least. Watched Art Arfrons'
Baloney Slicer run many sessions at the old
Wattsburg (PA) dragstrip just a few miles
south of Erie, PA. That's also where I holed
the side of a piston in the aforementioned
50 Ford Convertible!
Ahhh, old times!
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~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
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> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:54:30 -0700
> From: jhbridges@ymail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
>
> Bud had a '39 Binnisman's Coupe flathead, with the 'beehive' on the front. We went to 10:1 with offenhauser aluminum heads, and a manifold with two Stromber 97s on. My first experience with hotrods. 'Bout halfway through the season at the old Montgomery Dragway, he missed a shift and lunched the mill all over the right lane. Tachs didn't have telltales - or at least ours didn't.. but we found out, there >is< a limit to how fast you can spin one before it fails a rod.
>
> --johnny
>
>
> --- On Wed, 7/6/11, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 6:33 PM
>
>
>
> Thanks, Johnny.
>
> It's been over 50 years since I pulled and
> reinstalled a distributor (1950 Ford V8
> flathead). I remember a small amount of
> endplay from then.
>
> Sorry 'bout my typo on "machining."
>
> Cheers!
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
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>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:20:02 -0700
> > From: jhbridges@ymail.com
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
> >
> > So long as the cam is driving it, it will go to the end of that play because of the bevel of the drive gear and stay there. Won't matter unless or until it moves the rotor so far up or down it (the rotor) either hits something or the center contact pulls away from the fixed HV feed. Which in each instance would take maybe half an inch of endplay. That shaft isn't ever gonna see 2500 RPM, I wouldn't worry over a 16th of end play.
> >
> > --johnny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/6/11, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 6:11 PM
> >
> > Upon inspecting my newly-purchased distributor,
> > I checked for play of the shaft. There is maybe
> > 1/16 inch of vertical play on the shaft; no trace
> > of any side-to-side wobble.
> >
> > I feel that is probably a normal amount of play
> > to expect when the distributor is installed.
> >
> > Any comments?
> >
> > The machining of the aluminum body looks VERY nice!
> >
> > Thanks.
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133542 is a reply to message #133521] |
Wed, 06 July 2011 17:51 |
jhbridges
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I miss it, bracket racing does nothing for me. Run what ya brung; when the tree comes down one of us goes to the next pair and one of us reconnects the mufflers and drives it on home. Any more, like pretty much all forms of racing, it's cubic money.
--johnny
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From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 7:51 PM
239.4 cu. in., if I recall. The Merc mill with the 4"
stroke came in at 255.1; again from long ago memory.
The '49 and later 239s were rated at 100 HP and the
Merc 255s at 110.
Speedo on my '50 went to 100. I saw the needle midway
in the gap between 100 and ZERO. My brother told me
(when I was away at college for junior year) he put
the speedo all the way past zero on the second time
around up on the New York Thruway west of Buffalo.
I had a 4.10 or 4.11 axle with the electric overdrive.
I could beat the stovebolt Chevies of the day on top
end, but the torque of the straight six generally was
enough to win a 1/4 mile drag. I think I was running
in E-Stock back in those days! A bit under 20 seconds
and around 70 mph in the 1/4 mile.
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: jarvis210@shaw.ca
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 14:17:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
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> Ha ha..flathead Fords. I love them. 239 cubic inches of screaming nothing. 85 HP downhill. The Merc 4" crank added another 10HP if you were lucky.
> I still have some parts and a few books on how to.
> --
> "I've always been crazy, but it kept me from going insane"
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133575 is a reply to message #133558] |
Wed, 06 July 2011 21:02 |
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G'day,
Well if it was 272.03 MPH that's REALLY impressive, but if it's seconds
(4.53 minutes) that's pretty slow. Was it being pushed by the towd or
people? ;-)
I for one can't see the point in drag racing a fully equipped GMC.
I'm not that concerned about the engine or final drive. However, the
transmission, while beefy, probably takes a real hammering when it shifts
under max acceleration.
I have run Double Trouble flat out pedal to the metal and the best she would
do was 86 MPH on a flat and level road.
I can see the point in going for the Land Speed Record with a fully equipped
GMC as Moe was gutted.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Galbavy
Four of us GMCers ran 272.03, 28.43, 21.88 & 22.08 sec. this last March when
we held a dry camping rally at the Orlando Speed World. This was done with
all of the camping gear. After all this was a weekend long rally with
"Momma" on board.
jim
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133577 is a reply to message #133575] |
Wed, 06 July 2011 21:13 |
k2gkk
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When it comes to motorized vehicles, boys will ALWAYS be boys
and want to "open her up and find out what she'll do."
I suspect the first elapsed time was either 27.20, 27.23, or
maybe even 22.03 seconds. I see two times were close to 22
seconds flat and one that was 28.43 (what a dog!).
The guy who said my 1950 Ford Convertible was faster was right!
It had an engine rated at 100 hp driving almost 4,000 pounds.
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~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
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~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 12:02:48 +1000
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R
>
> G'day,
>
> Well if it was 272.03 MPH that's REALLY impressive, but if it's seconds
> (4.53 minutes) that's pretty slow. Was it being pushed by the towd or
> people? ;-)
>
> I for one can't see the point in drag racing a fully equipped GMC.
>
> I'm not that concerned about the engine or final drive. However, the
> transmission, while beefy, probably takes a real hammering when it shifts
> under max acceleration.
>
> I have run Double Trouble flat out pedal to the metal and the best she would
> do was 86 MPH on a flat and level road.
>
> I can see the point in going for the Land Speed Record with a fully equipped
> GMC as Moe was gutted.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Galbavy
>
> Four of us GMCers ran 272.03, 28.43, 21.88 & 22.08 sec. this last March when
> we held a dry camping rally at the Orlando Speed World. This was done with
> all of the camping gear. After all this was a weekend long rally with
> "Momma" on board.
>
> jim
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| Re: [GMCnet] OLDSMOBILE DELTA 98 50K HEI DISTRIBUTOR OLDS# 6503-R [message #133640 is a reply to message #133510] |
Thu, 07 July 2011 10:15 |
Steven Ferguson
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That play is well within tolerance. Not all deck heights are the same and
that dimension compensates for that.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:11 AM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> Upon inspecting my newly-purchased distributor,
> I checked for play of the shaft. There is maybe
> 1/16 inch of vertical play on the shaft; no trace
> of any side-to-side wobble.
>
> I feel that is probably a normal amount of play
> to expect when the distributor is installed.
>
> Any comments?
>
> The maching of the aluminum body looks VERY nice!
>
> Thanks.
>
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> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
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