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Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132681] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 20:45 |
Andrew
Messages: 213 Registered: April 2011 Location: Connecticut
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Made the trip up to bring my coach home today. Learned lots of things..
My PO replaced the 16.5" wheels with 16" that were perfect except that the stud holes are about 1/8" too large. This is a problem because it makes it real hard to get the wheels centered on the hub and creates eccentricity and a rough ride.
The shop had all seven tires replaced and all six wheels off for extensive suspension replacement, but didn't notice the problem until their "shake out" drive, which unfortunately happened a couple hours after I had left home and anyway they didn't tell me about it until I arrived.
Worked around by hitting up all the parts stores in the area and getting 20-odd deep-cut beveled 9/16" lug nuts, using them to center the wheels as best we could. Got warnings of tire damage, lives at risk, liability release signature requirements, etc. Went ahead anyway, and they forgot to have me sign the release. Ride was fine, though a little wandery, but I can't blame the wheels yet. Unfortunately, they already replaced all the rest of the front suspension, so after I get new wheels I'll know whether there are other problems in there.
Drive away, stop at first gas station. 25 gallons in, then...leak onto the cement. Think maybe it came in too fast and hit the vent pipe. Try again...a little more comes out. Back to the shop. They graciously and quickly put me right over the pit, find a rotten bit of rubber in the vent area, replace it, and I'm off again. The next 20 gallons go in much more smoothly and with no leaks.
Onto the interstate.
200 miles of smooth sailing (stop a couple times to check tire temp and overall well-being), then I hit a torrential downpour. Traffic slows to 25mph, visibility very low. The coach stalls. I pull over (still not aware of the stall, just the loss of power, it was awful noisy in there) noticed the GEN light on, guessed a stall, restarted immediately, all fine again.
Another 20 miles or so (still heavy rain, but some visibility), and I start hearing this vibrating sound, high pitched and frequency in rough proportion to engine rotation. Can feel it in my accelerator pedal. Same behavior in neutral and in drive. Gets louder and louder, then windshield wipers fail.
Pull over again, engine still running, trying to think. Noise goes away. Wipers work again. Proceed.
A few more miles and the wipers give up for good. Noise came back, but not as loud this time. Went away after the wipers failed. I don't notice it til I got to an exit ramp, but power steering is gone too. 10 miles from home now. Still raining, can't see as well as I'd like, but not deadly. Right around the corner on the exit ramp is a spun out Civic spanning both lanes. We all survive.
Chase car tells me that my directionals have stopped working. Right blinker turns both tail lights bright (like brake light illumination) and they stay bright after turning the blinker off. Turning headlights off then back on resets the tail lights to marker brightness. Left blinker works fine. Right blinker wedges it in brake light illumination mode again. OK.
By the way, folks complain about the dash A/C. Yes, it didn't work well. But the defogger doesn't appear to work at all. Find glove to wipe inside of windshield every 10 seconds. Outside still unwiped, and raining. Need to get some Rain-X.
Savannah city streets now, turning onto main road. Didn't see the foot-deep and 50-foot long puddle. Big rooster tails. Stays straight. Reach stoplight. Stalls. Won't restart. Battery strong, won't catch. Give up, put it in park and start directing traffic around me. Notice coach rolling backward toward chase car. Run inside, leave door open, jump on brake. Yep, still in park. Breathe. Turn ignition key. Starts right up. Accelerate. Door closes itself (little victories..!).
Limp into driveway more wet with sweat than rain, but plenty wet from rain.
Done, home!
So, now: I've learned that the power steering and windshield wipers are part of the same system. (I can see Ken H shaking his head already! ) I think I blew the seals or sumthin on the pump/compressor/whatever that hose comes from that I can't see in the dark. It's in the right place for the noise and vibration.
I've learned that I have one or several electrical problems. The blinker relay or its wiring is suspect. The ignition/distributor/spark plug wires are also in question, though the problems were very transient. Still, the engine was 300 miles hot (just one mark above C on the gauge), and the problematic moisture might have evaporated quickly. Hard to test, but I'll visually inspect tomorrow.
On the plus side, I covered 300 miles and according to the gas gauge (with new sender) still have half a tank of gas (started with a few gals less than full). This seems unlikely, but I'm going to claim it for now.
Home, safe, dry and mostly happy. Tomorrow is a new day. Need: wheels, Rain-X, electrical debugging, power steering pump/compressor/whatever, defogger investigation, and all the other stuff that was already on my list.
Do they make bushing inserts for slightly-oversized wheel stud holes, or do I really need seven new wheels?
1973 Sequoia 260 (since 2011)
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132694 is a reply to message #132681] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 22:01 |
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I say there, Mate, this is a jolly good read. You have a great imagination.
No? Wait. This is a true story and, as it goes, the truth is sometimes
stranger than fiction.
One more story you can tell for years to come.
Be thankful the exhaust went toward the back. We wore gas masks on our trip
from Charleston, SC to Louisville, KY and still laugh about it.
That sender for the fuel gauge must not be broken in yet. 300 miles on 1/2
tank? OK. Claim it. Enjoy it whilst ye may.
Before the new owner of our coach left on Monday we reviewed how to fill the
tanks. Put in 8 gallons. Count to 12. Put in four gallons. Count to 15. Put
in four gallons. Count to 18. You get the pattern. Our baby needed to burp.
Oh, and I told him to quit when he got to around 28 unless he wanted to see
gas spilling out of the rear.
Oh the joys of ownership. Fond memories.
Byron Songer
PO of a 1978 Royale by Coachmen
Holiday Rambler (Freightliner/CAT)
Louisville, KY
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Andrew wrote:
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> Made the trip up to bring my coach home today. Learned lots of things..
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> Limp into driveway more wet with sweat than rain, but plenty wet from rain.
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> Done, home!
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> On the plus side, I covered 300 miles and according to the gas gauge (with new
> sender) still have half a tank of gas (started with a few gals less than
> full). This seems unlikely, but I'm going to claim it for now.
>
> Home, safe, dry and mostly happy. Tomorrow is a new day. Need: wheels, Rain-X,
> electrical debugging, power steering pump/compressor/whatever, defogger
> investigation, and all the other stuff that was already on my list.
>
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132700 is a reply to message #132681] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 23:07 |
zhagrieb
Messages: 676 Registered: August 2009 Location: Portland Oregon
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I believe all GMC wheels center on the hub, not the studs. That being the case your stud hole size is not important, the hub opening is. Correct wheel will fit snugly on the hub, correct lug nuts will be flat against the outside of the wheel and will not penetrate into the holes.
Glenn Giere
Glenn Giere, Portland OR, K7GAG
'73 "Moby the Motorhome" 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132704 is a reply to message #132681] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 23:21 |
sgltrac
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Great story Andrew!
Sully
77 royale
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Subject: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long)
Made the trip up to bring my coach home today. Learned lots of things..
My PO replaced the 16.5" wheels with 16" that were perfect except that the stud holes are about 1/8" too large. This is a problem because it makes it real hard to get the wheels centered on the hub and creates eccentricity and a rough ride.
The shop had all seven tires replaced and all six wheels off for extensive suspension replacement, but didn't notice the problem until their "shake out" drive, which unfortunately happened a couple hours after I had left home and anyway they didn't tell me about it until I arrived.
Worked around by hitting up all the parts stores in the area and getting 20-odd deep-cut beveled 9/16" lug nuts, using them to center the wheels as best we could. Got warnings of tire damage, lives at risk, liability release signature requirements, etc. Went ahead anyway, and they forgot to have me sign the release. Ride was fine, though a little wandery, but I can't blame the wheels yet. Unfortunately, they already replaced all the rest of the front suspension, so after I get new wheels I'll know whether there are other problems in there.
Drive away, stop at first gas station. 25 gallons in, then...leak onto the cement. Think maybe it came in too fast and hit the vent pipe. Try again...a little more comes out. Back to the shop. They graciously and quickly put me right over the pit, find a rotten bit of rubber in the vent area, replace it, and I'm off again. The next 20 gallons go in much more smoothly and with no leaks.
Onto the interstate.
200 miles of smooth sailing (stop a couple times to check tire temp and overall well-being), then I hit a torrential downpour. Traffic slows to 25mph, visibility very low. The coach stalls. I pull over (still not aware of the stall, just the loss of power, it was awful noisy in there) noticed the GEN light on, guessed a stall, restarted immediately, all fine again.
Another 20 miles or so (still heavy rain, but some visibility), and I start hearing this vibrating sound, high pitched and frequency in rough proportion to engine rotation. Can feel it in my accelerator pedal. Same behavior in neutral and in drive. Gets louder and louder, then windshield wipers fail.
Pull over again, engine still running, trying to think. Noise goes away. Wipers work again. Proceed.
A few more miles and the wipers give up for good. Noise came back, but not as loud this time. Went away after the wipers failed. I don't notice it til I got to an exit ramp, but power steering is gone too. 10 miles from home now. Still raining, can't see as well as I'd like, but not deadly. Right around the corner on the exit ramp is a spun out Civic spanning both lanes. We all survive.
Chase car tells me that my directionals have stopped working. Right blinker turns both tail lights bright (like brake light illumination) and they stay bright after turning the blinker off. Turning headlights off then back on resets the tail lights to marker brightness. Left blinker works fine. Right blinker wedges it in brake light illumination mode again. OK.
By the way, folks complain about the dash A/C. Yes, it didn't work well. But the defogger doesn't appear to work at all. Find glove to wipe inside of windshield every 10 seconds. Outside still unwiped, and raining. Need to get some Rain-X.
Savannah city streets now, turning onto main road. Didn't see the foot-deep and 50-foot long puddle. Big rooster tails. Stays straight. Reach stoplight. Stalls. Won't restart. Battery strong, won't catch. Give up, put it in park and start directing traffic around me. Notice coach rolling backward toward chase car. Run inside, leave door open, jump on brake. Yep, still in park. Breathe. Turn ignition key. Starts right up. Accelerate. Door closes itself (little victories..!).
Limp into driveway more wet with sweat than rain, but plenty wet from rain.
Done, home!
So, now: I've learned that the power steering and windshield wipers are part of the same system. (I can see Ken H shaking his head already! :) ) I think I blew the seals or sumthin on the pump/compressor/whatever that hose comes from that I can't see in the dark. It's in the right place for the noise and vibration.
I've learned that I have one or several electrical problems. The blinker relay or its wiring is suspect. The ignition/distributor/spark plug wires are also in question, though the problems were very transient. Still, the engine was 300 miles hot (just one mark above C on the gauge), and the problematic moisture might have evaporated quickly. Hard to test, but I'll visually inspect tomorrow.
On the plus side, I covered 300 miles and according to the gas gauge (with new sender) still have half a tank of gas (started with a few gals less than full). This seems unlikely, but I'm going to claim it for now.
Home, safe, dry and mostly happy. Tomorrow is a new day. Need: wheels, Rain-X, electrical debugging, power steering pump/compressor/whatever, defogger investigation, and all the other stuff that was already on my list.
Do they make bushing inserts for slightly-oversized wheel stud holes, or do I really need seven new wheels?
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1973 Sequoia 260 (since 2011)
Savannah, GA
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Seattle, Wa.
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132705 is a reply to message #132700] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 23:26 |
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USAussie
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Glenn,
All the GMC Motorhome OEM 16.5" inch wheels are hub centered.
Andrew notes his wheels are 16" therefore they are not GMC Motorhome OEM
wheels.
There are different sized holes in the center of wheels and not all of them
are the same as the GMC Motorhome OEM 16.5 inch wheels.
Since Andrew notes: "My PO replaced the 16.5" wheels with 16" that were
perfect except that the stud holes are about 1/8" too large. This is a
problem because it makes it real hard to get the wheels centered on the hub
and creates eccentricity and a rough ride." I would suspect that the holes
in the wheels did not fit the hubs like the 16.5" wheels.
Andrew, can you clarify what you've got please.
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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I believe all GMC wheels center on the hub, not the studs. That being the
case your stud hole size is not important, the hub opening is. Correct
wheel will fit snugly on the hub, correct lug nuts will be flat against the
outside of the wheel and will not penetrate into the holes.
Glenn Giere
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132711 is a reply to message #132681] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 00:28 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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It sounds like you have the wrong lug nuts. You probably need the shouldered type. Eagle wheels use the shouldered type. Alcoas do not. Here is a picture of one. It is not the correct size. I'll see if I can find the correct size. Mine came from the Eagle wheels warehouse in Indy. Jim K. has them in stainless I believe.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132712 is a reply to message #132711] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 00:40 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 30 June 2011 00:28 | It sounds like you have the wrong lug nuts. You probably need the shouldered type. Eagle wheels use the shouldered type. Alcoas do not. Here is a picture of one. It is not the correct size. I'll see if I can find the correct size. Mine came from the Eagle wheels warehouse in Indy. Jim K. has them in stainless I believe.
Ken B.
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Here is a picture of mine:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AEW-ACL8898/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AEW-ACL8898/?rtype=10
Call Jim K. I'm sure he will beat this price and you know you will get the correct part. You are going to need 48 of them. These are inch size (9/16 x 18) while most lug nuts sold today metric and will not work. Also the shank length is important.
Jim K. is your best place to go for them.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132719 is a reply to message #132681] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 04:52 |
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mike miller
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Andrew wrote on Wed, 29 June 2011 18:45 | ... I've learned that I have one or several electrical problems. The blinker relay or its wiring is suspect. ...
... Do they make bushing inserts for slightly-oversized wheel stud holes, or do I really need seven new wheels?
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From your symptoms, I would suspect wet tailight wiring and poor grounds.
You didn't say what type of wheel you have.
If your 16 inch wheels are steel wheels, the holes for the lug studs are NOT over-sized, the pilot holes (center hole) is over-sized. Most likely you have ended up with Ford or Dodge wheels... the seem to be more common than the ones we need.
If you have Aluminum wheels, some kinds can be made to work... some not.
If the wheels have the incorrect pilot size, and they are not lug centered wheels, the "correct" solution is to replace the wheels.
BUT... as you already have the wheels, you might be able to figure out some way of reliably centering the wheels on the hub.
Pictures of the wheels would help us give you better advice.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132726 is a reply to message #132719] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 06:21 |
James Hupy
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Andrew, if your wheels are steel, then you probably have Dodge or Ford
wheels. GM wheels have the correct center hole size to center on the hub
flanges. If the lug stud holes in the wheels have a chamfer on the outside
of the holes, they are made for lugnuts that have a matching chamfer and are
called "lug centered". If your wheels are alloy, then you must match the lug
nuts to the wheels, very important. As you did not specify as to whar type
of wheel your coach has, we can only guess as to the solution. More concise
answers require a bit more information from you. Anyway, glad you made it
home under difficult circumstances. Light of day has the effect of making
sense of a bad situation. Welcome to the wild and wacky world of GMC
ownership.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Andrew wrote on Wed, 29 June 2011 18:45
> > ... I've learned that I have one or several electrical problems. The
> blinker relay or its wiring is suspect. ...
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> > ... Do they make bushing inserts for slightly-oversized wheel stud holes,
> or do I really need seven new wheels?
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> From your symptoms, I would suspect wet tailight wiring and poor grounds.
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> You didn't say what type of wheel you have.
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> If your 16 inch wheels are steel wheels, the holes for the lug studs are
> NOT over-sized, the pilot holes (center hole) is over-sized. Most likely
> you have ended up with Ford or Dodge wheels... the seem to be more common
> than the ones we need.
>
> If you have Aluminum wheels, some kinds can be made to work... some not.
>
> If the wheels have the incorrect pilot size, and they are not lug centered
> wheels, the "correct" solution is to replace the wheels.
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> BUT... as you already have the wheels, you might be able to figure out some
> way of reliably centering the wheels on the hub.
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> Pictures of the wheels would help us give you better advice.
> --
> Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
> (#1)'73 26' exPainted D. -- (#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23'
> Birchaven Side Bath
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132727 is a reply to message #132681] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 06:45 |
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Hardie Johnson
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Great write up. As for wiring, it seems you need to go over your grounds and be sure they make good contact.
It sounds like the wheels need lug nuts with a cylindrical shoulder like the Summit lugs someone posted. A machine shop could turn those down to fit if needed without weakening the joint because the threaded part in the head would not be cut down, just the shoulder. Another method suggested has been to mount the wheels with four flat loose and four tapered nuts, snug, allowing the tapers to center the wheel then torquing the flat nuts, and finally replace the tapered with flat, and torque them. Do not over-torque, 250 ft-lbs is way too much, especially if you lube or use anti-seize, but get a spec you trust.
It seems to me the hub center feature could be resolved with a thin spacer made to center the wheel pilot hole and center on the hub itself. Unless you have access to a shop, these could cost a lot.
Now go out and have some more fun!
Hardie Johnson "Crashj"
1973 26 foot Glacier, White Thing
Raleigh NC
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132757 is a reply to message #132681] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 10:15 |
dan6
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Andrew,
We are in the process of purchasing a '76 Eleganza II. Never had a motorhome before. Since we left the deposit for a final inspection drive,
a belt broke and was replaced and the water pump just went.
Its a 455 motor rebuilt 8K ago.
From all the posts here and the failures before we even purchase we are wondering if we might be disalushioned to expect enjoyable trouble free travelling with a GMC motorhome. Are extensive problems part of owning a GMC?
What do you think?
Dan
---- Andrew <reynhout@quesera.com> wrote:
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> Made the trip up to bring my coach home today. Learned lots of things..
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> My PO replaced the 16.5" wheels with 16" that were perfect except that the stud holes are about 1/8" too large. This is a problem because it makes it real hard to get the wheels centered on the hub and creates eccentricity and a rough ride.
>
> The shop had all seven tires replaced and all six wheels off for extensive suspension replacement, but didn't notice the problem until their "shake out" drive, which unfortunately happened a couple hours after I had left home and anyway they didn't tell me about it until I arrived.
>
> Worked around by hitting up all the parts stores in the area and getting 20-odd deep-cut beveled 9/16" lug nuts, using them to center the wheels as best we could. Got warnings of tire damage, lives at risk, liability release signature requirements, etc. Went ahead anyway, and they forgot to have me sign the release. Ride was fine, though a little wandery, but I can't blame the wheels yet. Unfortunately, they already replaced all the rest of the front suspension, so after I get new wheels I'll know whether there are other problems in there.
>
> Drive away, stop at first gas station. 25 gallons in, then...leak onto the cement. Think maybe it came in too fast and hit the vent pipe. Try again...a little more comes out. Back to the shop. They graciously and quickly put me right over the pit, find a rotten bit of rubber in the vent area, replace it, and I'm off again. The next 20 gallons go in much more smoothly and with no leaks.
>
> Onto the interstate.
>
> 200 miles of smooth sailing (stop a couple times to check tire temp and overall well-being), then I hit a torrential downpour. Traffic slows to 25mph, visibility very low. The coach stalls. I pull over (still not aware of the stall, just the loss of power, it was awful noisy in there) noticed the GEN light on, guessed a stall, restarted immediately, all fine again.
>
> Another 20 miles or so (still heavy rain, but some visibility), and I start hearing this vibrating sound, high pitched and frequency in rough proportion to engine rotation. Can feel it in my accelerator pedal. Same behavior in neutral and in drive. Gets louder and louder, then windshield wipers fail.
>
> Pull over again, engine still running, trying to think. Noise goes away. Wipers work again. Proceed.
>
> A few more miles and the wipers give up for good. Noise came back, but not as loud this time. Went away after the wipers failed. I don't notice it til I got to an exit ramp, but power steering is gone too. 10 miles from home now. Still raining, can't see as well as I'd like, but not deadly. Right around the corner on the exit ramp is a spun out Civic spanning both lanes. We all survive.
>
> Chase car tells me that my directionals have stopped working. Right blinker turns both tail lights bright (like brake light illumination) and they stay bright after turning the blinker off. Turning headlights off then back on resets the tail lights to marker brightness. Left blinker works fine. Right blinker wedges it in brake light illumination mode again. OK.
>
> By the way, folks complain about the dash A/C. Yes, it didn't work well. But the defogger doesn't appear to work at all. Find glove to wipe inside of windshield every 10 seconds. Outside still unwiped, and raining. Need to get some Rain-X.
>
> Savannah city streets now, turning onto main road. Didn't see the foot-deep and 50-foot long puddle. Big rooster tails. Stays straight. Reach stoplight. Stalls. Won't restart. Battery strong, won't catch. Give up, put it in park and start directing traffic around me. Notice coach rolling backward toward chase car. Run inside, leave door open, jump on brake. Yep, still in park. Breathe. Turn ignition key. Starts right up. Accelerate. Door closes itself (little victories..!).
>
> Limp into driveway more wet with sweat than rain, but plenty wet from rain.
>
> Done, home!
>
> So, now: I've learned that the power steering and windshield wipers are part of the same system. (I can see Ken H shaking his head already! :) ) I think I blew the seals or sumthin on the pump/compressor/whatever that hose comes from that I can't see in the dark. It's in the right place for the noise and vibration.
>
> I've learned that I have one or several electrical problems. The blinker relay or its wiring is suspect. The ignition/distributor/spark plug wires are also in question, though the problems were very transient. Still, the engine was 300 miles hot (just one mark above C on the gauge), and the problematic moisture might have evaporated quickly. Hard to test, but I'll visually inspect tomorrow.
>
> On the plus side, I covered 300 miles and according to the gas gauge (with new sender) still have half a tank of gas (started with a few gals less than full). This seems unlikely, but I'm going to claim it for now.
>
> Home, safe, dry and mostly happy. Tomorrow is a new day. Need: wheels, Rain-X, electrical debugging, power steering pump/compressor/whatever, defogger investigation, and all the other stuff that was already on my list.
>
> Do they make bushing inserts for slightly-oversized wheel stud holes, or do I really need seven new wheels?
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132758 is a reply to message #132681] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 10:22 |
Andrew
Messages: 213 Registered: April 2011 Location: Connecticut
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Yep, steel wheels. Sorry for not being clear.
I've read a hundred times that TZE wheels are hub centered, so I don't know why I didn't ask more questions when I was told that my problems were with the stud hole size. They did show me a OEM wheel that had visibly-smaller stud holes.
I measured my wheels this morning. My stud holes are 0.686" (11/16" on the ruler), and my hub holes are 4.884" (4-7/8" on the ruler).
I found this post:
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=81329&rid=0
which says that the "correct" measurements are 0.670" and 4.567".
This would mean that my hub holes are ~5/16" too big, and my stud holes are ~1/64" too big. I don't think I could visually detect 1/64" of difference, so I wonder if those numbers are just as-measured from someone else's coach.
But if they are correct, I "think" I could resolve the hub hole problem with six ~15" pieces of 5/32" stock, which I could bend into form inside the hub hole. I'd need something to retain them in place, though the wheel should never slip against the hub when the lug nuts are torqued down properly. Still, safer to retain them.
Other options: scour junkyards online and off for the correct wheels (my departure deadline looms near), or pay $1200 plus shipping and tire removal/installation/remounting fees to switch to Eagles.
What do you think, which idea is less crazy?
1973 Sequoia 260 (since 2011)
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132761 is a reply to message #132757] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 10:32 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Dan,
In a nutshell, you're purchasing a thirty five year old item that is a
combination of a motor vehicle and a house.
If it was a thirty five year old car would you expect it to provide "trouble
free travelling?"
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Andrew,
We are in the process of purchasing a '76 Eleganza II. Never had a motorhome
before. Since we left the deposit for a final inspection drive,
a belt broke and was replaced and the water pump just went.
Its a 455 motor rebuilt 8K ago.
From all the posts here and the failures before we even purchase we are
wondering if we might be disalushioned to expect enjoyable trouble free
travelling with a GMC motorhome. Are extensive problems part of owning a
GMC?
What do you think?
Dan
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132766 is a reply to message #132681] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 10:54 |
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Matt Colie
Messages: 8547 Registered: March 2007 Location: S.E. Michigan
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Andrew,
(I did not quote this time because it is long.)
Welcome to the family/cult/asylum. . . .
You have been working at this day since April, and we are all glad it has worked out well.
Yes, the coach has problems - they all always do - kind of like the fact that every airliner in service has something wrong at takeoff. The difference with this and other things is that, if you know and care about it and put appropriate priority on making the required repairs, you can have a reliable and dependable coach.
You did not say if the wheels are steel or alloy, it makes a big difference how you deal with the wrong hole sizes.
You have the wipers figured out, you can put a good filter inline while you are getting the parts for the Henderson ref-fit.
The lights just need chasing, but I agree that it sounds like a bad ground in the taillights.
Why it stalled and took a while to restart, I can not even guess.
You think you have half a tank, but which tank?? And, do not trust the gauges until you have done a couple of fill-up and have a real picture of the fuel consumption.
And lastly, you have already discovered that the coach will take care of you if you take of her.
With that said, I will offer the greeting that is borrowed from the waterman's greeting to a new vessel or owner:
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that setforth within her.
Welcome Andrew
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132768 is a reply to message #132757] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 10:57 |
Andrew
Messages: 213 Registered: April 2011 Location: Connecticut
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dan6 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2011 10:15 | Andrew,
We are in the process of purchasing a '76 Eleganza II. Never had a motorhome before. Since we left the deposit for a final inspection drive,
a belt broke and was replaced and the water pump just went.
Its a 455 motor rebuilt 8K ago.
From all the posts here and the failures before we even purchase we are wondering if we might be disalushioned to expect enjoyable trouble free travelling with a GMC motorhome. Are extensive problems part of owning a GMC?
What do you think?
Dan
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Dan, I'm the wrong guy to ask, since I'm so new here.
However, that doesn't stop me from having opinions. So here they are.
If you buy a "rolling coach" from an owner who more or less knew what they were doing (and is a Good Person), you can expect just the normal set of ~35-yo vehicle-house problems.
The problems you describe are not indicative of larger looming failures. Water pumps in particular, you just run em til they stop. You might argue that belts should be replaced by a responsible owner *before* they break, but...belts are easy and some people carry spares and don't bother til they need to. No penalty there.
My major error was buying a long-sitting coach from a short-term owner who didn't have any particular interest in the coach, he was just in the biz of buying and selling cars and this one came up. He did some good work on the engine, but wasn't qualified or motivated to work on the suspension, where all of my major expenses came in.
My 300 miles home and discovery of "something" in the power steering/windshield wiper system isn't terribly surprising. Again, sitting unused for ~15 years, things decay. Put driving stresses/pressures/temperatures on them, and they can fail.
Add in a bad rainstorm and giant puddle, and water gets into places it hasn't been in 15 years...and weird things happen, especially electrically.
I posted a "advice for new owners from a new owner" message a few weeks back when my thoughts on what I could have done better were more clear. One thing in particular is to have someone who does know what they're looking at (one of us on the list, but obviously not me...yet!) check the coach out for you. Be prepared to learn about the coach and basic repairs (true of any old vehicle with many operating systems), or be prepared to invest the money to have someone do it for you. Or buy one with a warranty, I guess, though that doesn't insulate you from "stuck on the side of the road" problems, it just makes it someone else's headache too.
I believe that once you get all the bugs worked out, the GMC can be as reliable as anything else. You can pay for a coach where the previous owner has already done that work, or you can buy less expensively and do it yourself. I was hoping to buy relatively inexpensively, live with a few problems, and spend money over time to bring it up to where I wanted it. This didn't work out for me, and many others have said that it rarely does...so be cautious there.
I have spent way more than expected, and much more than I would have if I'd been smart enough to follow the advice around here, which I collected and repeated in my post. On the plus side, I rescued an otherwise abandoned and unloved coach, and while it won't love me back like a rescue puppy with an autoimmune disorder saved by thousands of dollars of vet bills (don't ask..!), it will be a big part of a memorable experience for the family.
I actually enjoy the working-on stuff too (more when I don't have a deadline), so my enthusiasm isn't diminished at all.
1973 Sequoia 260 (since 2011)
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Re: [GMCnet] Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132770 is a reply to message #132757] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 11:08 |
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mike miller
Messages: 3576 Registered: February 2004 Location: Hillsboro, Oregon
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dan6 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2011 08:15 | ...
From all the posts here and the failures before we even purchase we are wondering if we might be disalushioned to expect enjoyable trouble free travelling with a GMC motorhome. Are extensive problems part of owning a GMC?
What do you think?
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Like Rob says... it is a 35 year old car(truck?) and a 35 year old house. Do you think there could be a problem "now and then?"
That said... There are many more trouble free trips than ones that end up "on the hook."
Good preventive maintenance is the key. It is so much better to take care of a problem at home, before it causes you to sit beside the road. Another thing is learning what is a minor problem, with a work around, and what is something you need to take care of... even if it might appear minor.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132771 is a reply to message #132758] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 11:10 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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I just looked up the Alcoa wheel we use and the numbers you posted are correct.
Hub bore diameter 4.567"
Bolt hole Diameter .670"
If you buy Eagles the holes will be larger but the lug bolts are shouldered to match the larger holes.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: Finally home, a bit of a harrowing trip (warning, long) [message #132772 is a reply to message #132681] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 11:11 |
Andrew
Messages: 213 Registered: April 2011 Location: Connecticut
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I will say that my biggest disappointment so far is how much of a pain in the neck it is to fill with gas.
My gas door opening has a closure magnet riveted at the top, which is right in the way of getting the gas nozzle/vapor recovery hood into position. I'll move that magnet.
But I kept tripping the vapor recovery switch and eventually had to trickle the stuff in to keep it going. 45 gallons, on two different pumps (thought I'd try another to see if the vapor switch was less sensitive), at a trickle...takes a long darn time.
Maybe it'll be better after I move the magnet.
1973 Sequoia 260 (since 2011)
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