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Onan 6000 question [message #130674] Fri, 17 June 2011 22:18 Go to next message
amdgmcman is currently offline  amdgmcman   United States
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My Onan 6000 will only start and run if I connect the number 9 and 11 connections on the circuit board then jump the solenoid. I was told the reason this is necessary is because the low oil sending unit is bad and that is why it won't start and run like its supposed to. Does that sound right or would a new circuit board do the trick. Any suggestion?

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Re: Onan 6000 question [message #130690 is a reply to message #130674] Sat, 18 June 2011 01:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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amdgmcman wrote on Fri, 17 June 2011 20:18

My Onan 6000 will only start and run if I connect the number 9 and 11 connections on the circuit board then jump the solenoid. I was told the reason this is necessary is because the low oil sending unit is bad and that is why it won't start and run like its supposed to. Does that sound right or would a new circuit board do the trick. Any suggestion?


While it is POSSIBLE that the low oil pressure switch could cause these symptoms, it could be the board.

The low oils pressure switch puts a ground on pin 12. If the problem is a bad switch (like you were told...) just disconnecting pin 12 should make the Onan work "normally." (No jumpers required... ) But you should fix the switch... might save your Onan.

If the Onan does NOT work "normally," the board MIGHT be bad... It also checks the AC voltage from the flywheel alternator as a "Onan running signal." If lacking this signal, a "good" board will remove power to the fuel pump and ignition system. Keeps it from the possibility of pouring fuel out the carb or burning the points or ignition module.

Jumping pins 11 to 9 bypasses the fuse... it might be better to use 5 to 9. (Note that 11 to 9 is electrically the same as positive battery post to positive side of the coil.)

IF you are jumping the board to "get by" there is a better way.

Jump the lower pin 6 (not normally used) with pin 9. This jumper can be made from a very short wire and a crimp terminal. It also can be left in place. The start/stop switches on the board will work normally, but there will be NO PROTECTION for oil or if the Onan stops running.... the pump and ignition will still be powered. (Could be a safety or equipment damage issue... just the same as jumping 5 to 9.)

One of my Onan's was jumped 6 to 9, like this when I bought it... it worked so well I did not notice the jumper for a year. I really need to fix it.... I have two good boards on my "less used" Onans.


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Re: Onan 6000 question [message #130691 is a reply to message #130690] Sat, 18 June 2011 01:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sorry -- double post.... Confused


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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #130695 is a reply to message #130674] Sat, 18 June 2011 03:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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here are a few things to read through , about your generator

http://www.gmcmotorhome.info/list.html#GEN

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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Alan M DeLuccio <delbassman@yahoo.com>wrote:

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> My Onan 6000 will only start and run if I connect the number 9 and 11
> connections on the circuit board then jump the solenoid. I was told the
> reason this is necessary is because the low oil sending unit is bad and that
> is why it won't start and run like its supposed to. Does that sound right
> or would a new circuit board do the trick. Any suggestion?
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #130741 is a reply to message #130695] Sat, 18 June 2011 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the great info ... where is the oil pressure sending unit located?

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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #130755 is a reply to message #130741] Sat, 18 June 2011 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Located under the rear below the board area.
That is not the only reason for the no run.

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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #130780 is a reply to message #130741] Sat, 18 June 2011 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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amdgmcman wrote on Sat, 18 June 2011 09:59

... where is the oil pressure sending unit located?


On the other end of the wire coming off of pin 12.


Sorry, couldn't resist. Twisted Evil

Actually it is near the base of the oil filter adapter. Under some shrouding and stuff. It has been known to leak oil....

But before you dig in there, is it bad? Did you try disconnecting pin 12? If it is the issue, the generator should run normally with it disconnected.

Like JimK says (and I did in an earlier post) there are other things that could give you the same symptoms.


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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #130787 is a reply to message #130780] Sat, 18 June 2011 20:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe I should go see Duane Simmons! Sad

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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #137557 is a reply to message #130780] Fri, 05 August 2011 01:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmmm ... I can't find pin number 12! I'm think I'm going to buy a replacement board then go from there.

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Coachmen,Center Kitchen Floorplan
09 Harley Davidson Street Glide
65 Corvair Monza Convertible
96 RAV4 2 door Manual 4WD
Long Beach, CA
Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #137572 is a reply to message #137557] Fri, 05 August 2011 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just bought a new one from jim k, i got the one with the pigtail.
plugged in and just worked!

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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Alan M DeLuccio <delbassman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #137579 is a reply to message #137557] Fri, 05 August 2011 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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amdgmcman wrote on Thu, 04 August 2011 23:45

Hmmmm ... I can't find pin number 12! I'm think I'm going to buy a replacement board then go from there.


Pin 12 is the connection just inboard of the start stop switch, just above the fuse on the oem board.

If there is no/low oil pressure, the switch puts a ground on the wire connected there. If you disconnect it, the board will "think" there is always oil pressure. (Even when there is not....)

A few minutes of trouble-shooting might save you some money... and grief.


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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #137580 is a reply to message #137557] Fri, 05 August 2011 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's about dead center of the board. Just left of the relays under a couple
of wires.

Enlarge this:
http://www.gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/onan/p04.jpg

Upper right quadrant is board layout.

Hth
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Hmmmm ... I can't find pin number 12! I'm think I'm going to buy a
replacement board then go from there.


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Re: [GMCnet] Onan 6000 question [message #137606 is a reply to message #137572] Fri, 05 August 2011 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The new boards with pigtail have the ends soldered to the board, no removable connections. If you dont get the board with pigtails, you have to put wires on it yourself (bye bye traces when I do soldering).You might want to get the 'new' original boards with the removable wires/connections.
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Re: Onan 6000 question ... what did I fry? [message #147216 is a reply to message #130674] Thu, 20 October 2011 17:28 Go to previous message
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I went out to jumper the Onan like I explained at the beginning of this post. When I went to connect the clip to the right side of the regulator to jump it, the clip touched the metal plate below it and welded to it. I grabbed a pair of needle nose pliers to pry it loose but the damage was done. What did I fry... the starter?

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