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| Re: [GMCnet] New ZZDP oils [message #128340 is a reply to message #128335] |
Thu, 02 June 2011 13:11   |
John Sharpe
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Location: Texas
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... have they got it by the gallon?
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I have seen Delo 400 by the gallon in the local O'Reilly store. I also purchase it by the gallon at independent NAPA stores in south eastern Texas. The company owned stores don't seem to be able to get it.
John Sharpe
Humble,TX
'78 Eleganza TBI
'89 Spectrum 2000 MPI V-10
'40 Ford Panel Delivery TPI
johnasharpe@gmail.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] New ZZDP oils [message #128373 is a reply to message #128301] |
Thu, 02 June 2011 17:22 |
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USAussie
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Bill,
Nice catch!
Below is a message I sent in last year; I confirmed that the links still
work.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:36 AM
To: Gmclist Temp
Subject: [GMCnet] ZDDP Additive Sources
G'day,
Here's some information on sources of ZDDP additives.
1) GM / Delco E.O.S.
Dosage: I can't find the dosage for a 5 quart oil change.
http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results.cfm?singlepart=1&partnumber=EOS
GM PART # EOS 88862586
OUR PRICE: $12.17
Cost per Ounce: $0.76
http://www.jegs.com/i/GM+Performance/809/88862586/10002/-1
GM Performance #809-88862586
Cam & Lifter Pre-Lube
16OZ $17.99 = $1.12 per ounce
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-88862586/
Price: $17.95
Cost per ounce: $1.12
2) Delco EOS
http://www.acdelco.com/html/pi_vehcare_lub.htm
Click on down arrow next to Select and highlight E.O.S. Assembly Lubricant.
Part 10-106
12371532
E.O.S. Assembly Lubricant (1 pint)
Is specially formulated as an engine assembly lubricant. Provides protection
against run-in wear and piston scuffing. Is not recommended for use as an
additive for engine oil.
2) ZDDPlus
Dosage: 1 four ounce bottle per 5-6 quart oil change.
http://www.davidnavone.com/zddplus.htm
Single 4oz Bottle of ZDDPlus $9.95 = $2.48 per ounce Five - 4oz Bottle of
ZDDPlus $47.50 = $2.37 per ounce
3) SFR-100
Dosage: 1 ounce per quart.
I bought a gallon of this stuff last year after I got the following
information from them:
QUESTION 1): Does SFR 100 contain ZDDP?
RESPONSE: Normal motor oil when it contained ZDDP averaged 300 ppm. SFR when
added at 3% or 1 ounce per quart of motor oil averages over 900 ppm. There
is over 30,000 ppm in SFR 100 concentrate.
QUESTION 2): How much SFR 100 should I add to 5 quarts of oil to get
1200-1400 PPM of ZDDP in oil that does not contain any ZDDP?
RESPONSE: I would add 1 1/2 ounces per quart or the recommended dosage for
first time use and 1 ounce per quart of motor oil with each and every oil
change.
QUESTION 3) Can I add too much SFR 100?
RESPONSE: You can use up to 10% or 3 ounces per quart. After that it is not
economical based on testing that we have run. You will get outstanding
results by using 1 1/2 ounces of SFR per quart of motor oil the first time,
and 1 ounce per quart of motor oil subsequent oil changes.
http://www.sfrcorp.com/product/sfr-100-petroleum-oil-fortifier
Size / SKU / Price
1 Quart Bottle / S34005 / $34.70 = $1.08 per ounce
1 Gallon Bottle with 1 oz. Pump / S34003 / $107.90 = $0.84 per ounce
5 Gallon Pail with 1 oz. Pump / S34002 / $467.00 =$0.72 per ounce
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Freeman
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:43 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] New ZZDP oils
New ZZDP oils
http://www.hemmings.com/newsletter/daily_newsletter.html?id=238&tv=1
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Bill Freeman
78 Royale 73 Sequoia
Colerain, North Carolina
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] New ZZDP oils [message #128378 is a reply to message #128340] |
Thu, 02 June 2011 17:41 |
jhbridges
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When I was commuting in diesel Jettas, I used Rotella synthetic. As far as I know, only available at WalMart. Go figure.
--johnny
--- On Thu, 6/2/11, John Sharpe <johnasharpe@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: John Sharpe <johnasharpe@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New ZZDP oils
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Thursday, June 2, 2011, 6:11 PM
Quote:
> ... have they got it by the gallon?
I have seen Delo 400 by the gallon in the local O'Reilly store. I also purchase it by the gallon at independent NAPA stores in south eastern Texas. The company owned stores don't seem to be able to get it.
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Humble,TX
'78 Eleganza TBI
'89 Spectrum 2000 V-10
'40 Ford Deluxe TBI
mailto:johnasharpe@gmail.com
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| Re: New ZZDP oils [message #128443 is a reply to message #128301] |
Fri, 03 June 2011 06:57 |
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Or you could just use whatever oil you want and add a small, inexpensive, bottle of "ZDDP plus" to each oil change. Works for me and saves me the worry of being sure that I have the "right" oil.
Bill Brown - '77 Buckeye Cruiser
Coshocton OH
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| Re: [GMCnet] New ZZDP oils [message #128447 is a reply to message #128443] |
Fri, 03 June 2011 07:27 |
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All really smart guys do this.
Valvoline VR1 is dinosaur oil, or so I was told. It's also for high
performance engines. Since I don't race the GMC, I don't need to spend the
money though it does have the ZDDP blended in. Use a synthetic and add ZDDP.
Much cheaper that way. Spend the money you saved on something else for the
coach.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Bill Brown wrote:
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> Or you could just use whatever oil you want and add a small, inexpensive,
> bottle of "ZDDP plus" to each oil change. Works for me and saves me the worry
> of being sure that I have the "right" oil.
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| Re: [GMCnet] New ZZDP oils [message #128553 is a reply to message #128447] |
Fri, 03 June 2011 23:05 |
Bob de Kruyff
Messages: 4260
Registered: January 2004
Location: Chandler, AZ
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| Byron Songer wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 06:27 |
All really smart guys do this.
Valvoline VR1 is dinosaur oil, or so I was told. It's also for high
performance engines. Since I don't race the GMC, I don't need to spend the
money though it does have the ZDDP blended in. Use a synthetic and add ZDDP.
Much cheaper that way. Spend the money you saved on something else for the
coach.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Bill Brown wrote:
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> Or you could just use whatever oil you want and add a small, inexpensive,
> bottle of "ZDDP plus" to each oil change. Works for me and saves me the worry
> of being sure that I have the "right" oil.
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I hazard to guess that with 8000 GMC's on the road that 7500 people not on the net do just fine without any ZDDP additives at all. It still remains one of the most mis-understood issues that has no factual data to back it up (once a cam is worn in on a rebuilt engine.) For almost all of us it it is a waste of time and money. Sure we can argue that it's cheap insurance but I can say the same about any fluid we use.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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