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| Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128033] |
Mon, 30 May 2011 22:33  |
idrob
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I am a Life Member of ASHRAE (American Society for Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Engineers) and as such get their monthly Journal. This month there was a short article copied from "Supermarket News" which may be of interest to this group. I quote it verbatim.
" Fresh and Easy Neighborhood Market is planning a test of self contained coffin freezer cases using propane gas in a store expected to open in June.
Coffin freezers are plug in cases that are separated from main refrigeration systems. Most of Fresh and Easy's 160 stores have five coffin cases.
The company says the reasons for the test are that propane is more efficient than R404a and has a global warming potential of 3 compared to 3500 GWP of R 404a. In addition, propane costs $2 a pound while R404a costs $10, and 4.5 oz of propane can replace 9 oz of R404a.
Last May, EPA proposed a rule to make propane acceptable and a final rule, expected later this year, could increase the use of hydrocarbon appliances in the U.S."
Could some sanity be restored to this issue? Of course, it might just make it so it can be regulated further, and make do it yourself uses like ours illegal.
I hope not and also hope that does not sound to negative. R12a may have life yet.
I will report on anything I see as it comes up.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128160 is a reply to message #128157] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 09:46  |
jhb1
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| philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 10:34 |
Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
You will need one of those coffins yourself........
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If I recall R134 is more explosive
John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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| Re: Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128168 is a reply to message #128157] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 10:58 |
Keith V
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| philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34 |
Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
You will need one of those coffins yourself........
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Haha!
I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
plus 16 ounces for the AC
right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128176 is a reply to message #128168] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 11:37 |
Ray Erspamer
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Look at the positive side, if it goes Ka-Boom......I get to go to heaven and get
my harem that much sooner ! HA HA !
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:58:16 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34
> Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
> You will need one of those coffins yourself........
Haha!
I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
plus 16 ounces for the AC
right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
--
Keith
69 Vette
29 Dodge
75 Royale GMC
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| Re: Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128180 is a reply to message #128157] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 12:22 |
Ken Burton
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| philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34 |
Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
You will need one of those coffins yourself........
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Please show me any pictures or even a news article that shows a vehicle that went KA!!! BOOM!!!!! because it contained Duracool.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128190 is a reply to message #128176] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 13:15 |
James Hupy
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Based on whit can see of the morality of the current generations, where ar
thay going to find that many virgins? <GRININ, LOLFOF>
Jim Hupy
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Look at the positive side, if it goes Ka-Boom......I get to go to heaven
> and get
> my harem that much sooner ! HA HA !
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> Ray
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> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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>
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> From: Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:58:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
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> philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34
> > Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
> > You will need one of those coffins yourself........
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>
> Haha!
>
> I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
> plus 16 ounces for the AC
> right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
>
> The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
>
> If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
> --
> Keith
> 69 Vette
> 29 Dodge
> 75 Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128192 is a reply to message #128176] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 13:30 |
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Be catreful - I'm told the word in the Koran is 'grape' which is an euphemism for 'virgin.' And when Osama hit the Pearly Gates for his reward, Mohammad handed him a bunch of green seedless, and told him 'There ya are!'.
--johnny
--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 4:37 PM
Look at the positive side, if it goes Ka-Boom......I get to go to heaven and get
my harem that much sooner ! HA HA !
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
________________________________
From: Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:58:16 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34
> Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
> You will need one of those coffins yourself........
Haha!
I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
plus 16 ounces for the AC
right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
--
Keith
69 Vette
29 Dodge
75 Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128197 is a reply to message #128192] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 14:02 |
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That's Good LOL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Bridges" <jhbridges@ymail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
Be catreful - I'm told the word in the Koran is 'grape' which is an
euphemism for 'virgin.' And when Osama hit the Pearly Gates for his reward,
Mohammad handed him a bunch of green seedless, and told him 'There ya are!'.
--johnny
--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 4:37 PM
Look at the positive side, if it goes Ka-Boom......I get to go to heaven and
get
my harem that much sooner ! HA HA !
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
________________________________
From: Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 10:58:16 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34
> Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
> You will need one of those coffins yourself........
Haha!
I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
plus 16 ounces for the AC
right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
--
Keith
69 Vette
29 Dodge
75 Royale GMC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128202 is a reply to message #128177] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 14:41 |
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What use would most of us have for a harem?
I'm reminded of the old song "Smoke, Smoke,
Smoke That Cigarette" which has as a part of
its lyrics a line that says something about
sending in a million filter packs and win a
Beauty Queen. Singer sent them in but no
longer had a need any more 'cause he had
smoked himself to death!
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> From: hnielsen2@cox.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 09:41:33 -0700
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
>
> Ray
> LOL!
> Howard
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Erspamer" <78gmc-royale@att.net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
>
>
> > Look at the positive side, if it goes Ka-Boom......I get to go to heaven
> > and get
> > my harem that much sooner ! HA HA !
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> > 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> > Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> > Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> > Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> > 414-745-3188
> > Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
> >
> >
> >
> > philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34
> >> Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
> >> You will need one of those coffins yourself........
> >
> >
> > Haha!
> >
> > I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
> > plus 16 ounces for the AC
> > right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
> >
> > The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
> >
> > If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
> > --
> > Keith
> > 69 Vette
> > 29 Dodge
> > 75 Royale GMC
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128212 is a reply to message #128202] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 15:45 |
Ray Erspamer
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They could wake us up from our nap in time for dinner DC !! LOL
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 2:41:44 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
What use would most of us have for a harem?
I'm reminded of the old song "Smoke, Smoke,
Smoke That Cigarette" which has as a part of
its lyrics a line that says something about
sending in a million filter packs and win a
Beauty Queen. Singer sent them in but no
longer had a need any more 'cause he had
smoked himself to death!
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> From: hnielsen2@cox.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 09:41:33 -0700
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
>
> Ray
> LOL!
> Howard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Erspamer" <78gmc-royale@att.net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
>
>
> > Look at the positive side, if it goes Ka-Boom......I get to go to heaven
> > and get
> > my harem that much sooner ! HA HA !
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> > 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> > Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> > Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> > Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> > 414-745-3188
> > Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
> >
> >
> >
> > philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34
> >> Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
> >> You will need one of those coffins yourself........
> >
> >
> > Haha!
> >
> > I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
> > plus 16 ounces for the AC
> > right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
> >
> > The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
> >
> > If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
> > --
> > Keith
> > 69 Vette
> > 29 Dodge
> > 75 Royale GMC
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a [message #128215 is a reply to message #128212] |
Wed, 01 June 2011 16:26 |
k2gkk
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I'm only 73. I hardly ever take a nap!
Hated 'em when I was a wee lad, too.
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~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
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> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:45:38 -0700
> From: 78gmc-royale@att.net
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
>
> They could wake us up from our nap in time for dinner DC !! LOL
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: D C *Mac* Macdonald
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wed, June 1, 2011 2:41:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
>
>
> What use would most of us have for a harem?
>
> I'm reminded of the old song "Smoke, Smoke,
> Smoke That Cigarette" which has as a part of
> its lyrics a line that says something about
> sending in a million filter packs and win a
> Beauty Queen. Singer sent them in but no
> longer had a need any more 'cause he had
> smoked himself to death!
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~~ ~ ~ (TZE166V101966) ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
>
> > From: hnielsen2@cox.net
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 09:41:33 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
> >
> > Ray
> > LOL!
> > Howard
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Erspamer" <78gmc-royale@att.net>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
> >
> >
> > > Look at the positive side, if it goes Ka-Boom......I get to go to heaven
> > > and get
> > > my harem that much sooner ! HA HA !
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > >
> > > Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> > > 78 Royale "Great Lakes Eagle"
> > > Center Kitchen TZE368V101144
> > > Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> > > Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> > > 414-745-3188
> > > Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Possible reprieve for Duracool? R12a
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > philipswanson wrote on Wed, 01 June 2011 09:34
> > >> Problem with propane is KA!!! BOOM!!!!!
> > >> You will need one of those coffins yourself........
> > >
> > >
> > > Haha!
> > >
> > > I just put 19 gallons of propane in my coach.
> > > plus 16 ounces for the AC
> > > right besides 50 gallons of gasoline.
> > >
> > > The 16 ounces seems pretty minor for some reason
> > >
> > > If I go up, you'll see me on the news!
> > > --
> > > Keith
> > > 69 Vette
> > > 29 Dodge
> > > 75 Royale GMC
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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