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| Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127793] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 15:13  |
Luvn737s
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I am looking for a good air compressor to recommend to my family as a Fathers Day present. I'd like one about 30 gallons (small garage) and able to run a small sand/soda blaster and an HVLP gun, but I want it to run on 110V if possible. 220V would have to use an extension cord to the dryer (about 10 feet)
Any recommendations?
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127808 is a reply to message #127793] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 16:52  |
gmcrv1
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Randy,
I started out wit a 2HP, 2Cylinder, 30 gallon tank set up made by Emglo,
Commercial duty machine that ran most air tools. Great for a one person
shop. When I added a Tip free standing tank type sand blaster it just could
not keep up. I found a 30 Gallon tank with out a compressor and plumbed it
in as additional storage capacity. Even when letting both tanks fill to the
max the compressor could not keep up. Eventually I went to a Dayton 3
cylinder, 2 stage set up with 60 gallons of storage. Now, I am running a 3
cylinder, 2 stage 80 gallon tank set up and still have the ability to store
an additional 60 gallons of compressed air in a separate tank. Still
running the Tip tank blaster and a Tip glass bead booth. You have no idea
how much air a sandblaster or glass bead cabinet requires.
You mentioned space being an issue, I would recommend a 60 Gallon vertical
tank, 2 cylinder and dual stage at the minimum. Running at 220v is more
efficient then a 110v unit. Also, the foot print of a 60 gallon vertical
compressor is smaller then a 30 gallon horizontal compressor by about 40%.
I'm sure other's will chime in. You can search for air tool consumption for
actual CFM requirements by tool.
Good Luck,
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Randy <Acrosport2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I am looking for a good air compressor to recommend to my family as a
> Fathers Day present. I'd like one about 30 gallons (small garage) and able
> to run a small sand/soda blaster and an HVLP gun, but I want it to run on
> 110V if possible. 220V would have to use an extension cord to the dryer
> (about 10 feet)
>
> Any recommendations?
> --
> Randy
> 1973 26' Painted Desert
> Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
>
> Please check out www.greatcommissionair.org and help support if possible
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| Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127811 is a reply to message #127808] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 17:21 |
sgltrac
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Couldn't agree more Tom. Screw compressor is the only thing that will keep up with blaster. I think the set up you described is the next best thing. Put compressor outside in small shed so you don't have to listen to it every time you work too
Sully
77royale
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP)
Randy,
I started out wit a 2HP, 2Cylinder, 30 gallon tank set up made by Emglo,
Commercial duty machine that ran most air tools. Great for a one person
shop. When I added a Tip free standing tank type sand blaster it just could
not keep up. I found a 30 Gallon tank with out a compressor and plumbed it
in as additional storage capacity. Even when letting both tanks fill to the
max the compressor could not keep up. Eventually I went to a Dayton 3
cylinder, 2 stage set up with 60 gallons of storage. Now, I am running a 3
cylinder, 2 stage 80 gallon tank set up and still have the ability to store
an additional 60 gallons of compressed air in a separate tank. Still
running the Tip tank blaster and a Tip glass bead booth. You have no idea
how much air a sandblaster or glass bead cabinet requires.
You mentioned space being an issue, I would recommend a 60 Gallon vertical
tank, 2 cylinder and dual stage at the minimum. Running at 220v is more
efficient then a 110v unit. Also, the foot print of a 60 gallon vertical
compressor is smaller then a 30 gallon horizontal compressor by about 40%.
I'm sure other's will chime in. You can search for air tool consumption for
actual CFM requirements by tool.
Good Luck,
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Randy <Acrosport2@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I am looking for a good air compressor to recommend to my family as a
> Fathers Day present. I'd like one about 30 gallons (small garage) and able
> to run a small sand/soda blaster and an HVLP gun, but I want it to run on
> 110V if possible. 220V would have to use an extension cord to the dryer
> (about 10 feet)
>
> Any recommendations?
> --
> Randy
> 1973 26' Painted Desert
> Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
>
> Please check out www.greatcommissionair.org and help support if possible
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77 Royale basket case.
Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127815 is a reply to message #127811] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 17:43 |
gmcrv1
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Sully,
What I do now is degrease the part and then use the electrolysis and baking
powder/water solution and a DC power source to pre-treat the item. Gets a
lot of the rust off, hose the part off, let it sun dry and then blast it.
I haven't tried soda blasting yet, but one of the car club members here as a
trailer mounted soda blaster set up. Have to try.
Tom
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 5:21 PM, <sgltrac@gmail.com> wrote:
> Couldn't agree more Tom. Screw compressor is the only thing that will keep
> up with blaster. I think the set up you described is the next best thing.
> Put compressor outside in small shed so you don't have to listen to it every
> time you work too
>
> Sully
> 77royale
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com>
> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 16:52:31
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Reply-To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP)
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> Randy,
>
> I started out wit a 2HP, 2Cylinder, 30 gallon tank set up made by Emglo,
> Commercial duty machine that ran most air tools. Great for a one person
> shop. When I added a Tip free standing tank type sand blaster it just
> could
> not keep up. I found a 30 Gallon tank with out a compressor and plumbed
> it
> in as additional storage capacity. Even when letting both tanks fill to
> the
> max the compressor could not keep up. Eventually I went to a Dayton 3
> cylinder, 2 stage set up with 60 gallons of storage. Now, I am running a
> 3
> cylinder, 2 stage 80 gallon tank set up and still have the ability to store
> an additional 60 gallons of compressed air in a separate tank. Still
> running the Tip tank blaster and a Tip glass bead booth. You have no idea
> how much air a sandblaster or glass bead cabinet requires.
>
> You mentioned space being an issue, I would recommend a 60 Gallon vertical
> tank, 2 cylinder and dual stage at the minimum. Running at 220v is more
> efficient then a 110v unit. Also, the foot print of a 60 gallon vertical
> compressor is smaller then a 30 gallon horizontal compressor by about 40%.
>
> I'm sure other's will chime in. You can search for air tool consumption
> for
> actual CFM requirements by tool.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Randy <Acrosport2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I am looking for a good air compressor to recommend to my family as a
> > Fathers Day present. I'd like one about 30 gallons (small garage) and
> able
> > to run a small sand/soda blaster and an HVLP gun, but I want it to run on
> > 110V if possible. 220V would have to use an extension cord to the dryer
> > (about 10 feet)
> >
> > Any recommendations?
> > --
> > Randy
> > 1973 26' Painted Desert
> > Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
> >
> > Please check out www.greatcommissionair.org and help support if possible
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| Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127833 is a reply to message #127793] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 18:58 |
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USAussie
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Randy,
During my recent trip to the USA I used my Harbor Freight Soda Blaster to
clean the LPG tank in Double Trouble. It worked very well and cleaned off
all the old paint and loose rust. It DID NOT AND WILL NOT take the surface
down to virgin metal.
When using it make sure you wear eye protection, a long sleeved shirt, and
long pants. I wore eye protection but did not wear a long sleeved shirt and
long pants and found that when I had finished my skin burned a bit.
There are two models available:
http://www.harborfreight.com/15-lb-portable-soda-blaster-66742.html
http://www.harborfreight.com/40-lb-portable-soda-blaster-67625.html
I have the 40 lb model which John Sharpe bought for me on sale for $129.99.
If you read the blurb on both models you will see the 15 lb model says you
need 8 CFM @ 90 psi and the 40 lb model says you need 8.5 CFM @ 90 psi.
The compressor I used was one similar to this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/5-hp-60-gallon-165-psi-two-stage-air-compressor
-93274.html
As you can see this compressor can supply double the CFM required by the 40
lb model which is why it worked so well; unfortunately it is $824!
Went to the Northern Tools website and found these two that have sufficient
capacity to drive the soda blaster:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200377421_200377421
@ $549.00
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200455341_200455341
@ $499.00
As you can see they are both 220 VAC.
I did a quick check on eBay and found a few used compressors at a reasonable
price but they were all Local Pickup.
The problem you are going to have is to find a small 110 VAC powered air
compressor that will supply 8.5 CFM @ 90 psi. I can GA RON TEE you that you
WILL NOT be happy with the soda blaster if you try and use a compressor that
can not provide the airflow and pressure.
Will the "Family" provide you with a "Gift Certificate" for "One reasonably
priced air compressor" so you can watch your local Craigslist for a used
one! ;-)
On a final note I also have a sand blaster from Harbor Freight like the one
below here in Sydney, it works well also.
http://www.harborfreight.com/110-lb-pressurized-abrasive-blaster-95014.html
HOWEVER, you MUST wear adequate breathing protection to prevent the
inhalation of silica dust; if you do not you run the risk of developing
silicosis of the lungs!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP)
I am looking for a good air compressor to recommend to my family as a
Fathers Day present. I'd like one about 30 gallons (small garage) and able
to run a small sand/soda blaster and an HVLP gun, but I want it to run on
110V if possible. 220V would have to use an extension cord to the dryer
(about 10 feet)
Any recommendations?
--
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Please check out www.greatcommissionair.org and help support if possible
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127856 is a reply to message #127793] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 22:08 |
GeorgeRud
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I agree that you do need large compressor to use a sandblasting setup, but a paint gun or impact wrench are not that big a draw. I purchased a 60 gallon vertical compressor thar runs on 220volts, and would not want to get anything smaller if I was looking for one today.
Check the requirements of the sandblasted you want to use, and be sure to get one at least that large.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127857 is a reply to message #127845] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 22:49 |
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| mcolie wrote on Sat, 28 May 2011 18:29 |
[The tank size has nothing to do with how much air is actually available to run tools.
Tank size is how much floor space it takes up and amount you can run a single shot before you have to wait for the compressor to catch up with you.
A larger tank means both a longer first shot and a longer recovery time and conversely so for smaller tanks. Your Choice.
Patience is a primary ingredient.
Matt
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Thanks for the formulae, that explains alot. I've got plenty of time and I will paint much more than I will blast. Is running an extension cord an issue with 240V?
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127860 is a reply to message #127793] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 23:20 |
GeorgeRud
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There is no real problem with running an extension cord with 220 volts, just be sure you have the correct plugs and receptacles as there are several different types. Also be sure that the cord has a large enough wire gauge to handle the amperage (probably 10 gauge wire), and see if you need a three or four wire cord (if compressor requires a seperate ground and neutral wire).
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127861 is a reply to message #127857] |
Sat, 28 May 2011 23:26 |
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On your question, How long of cord and more important what gauge wire?
I run both my home and my airport compressors on 220 v. It makes sense since it requires smaller wire than 120 volt compressors. A 240 volt compressor will drawn 1/2 the amperage of a 120 volt compressor using the same horse power motors.
You did not state how much amperage is available on that 240 volt plug you already have.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127875 is a reply to message #127873] |
Sun, 29 May 2011 09:07 |
James Hupy
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Those of you fortunate enough to have a bead blasting cabinet or soda
blaster or sand blaster equipment already know that those things are an air
volume hog (cfm). There are a couple of tricks that will help reduce the cfm
rate while maintaining pressure. Most of the guns in the inexpensive
equipment are of the siphon type. The air stream from the compressor is
directed through a venturi like device that creates a low pressure area. A
siphon tube is connected to this area at one end, and the other end is in
the blast media resevoir. The hoses that connect the air supply can all be
removed. Most are pipe threads on one end, and smooth hose connections on
the other. If those nipples are unscrewed from the gun and the threaded end
obstructed (inside diameter reduced) the cfm will also be reduced while the
pressure or velocity of the air stream will be increased. There is a
replaceable metal nozzle end at the outlet end of the guns, and most of them
come with a nozzle that is too large for the available air supply. There are
long life ceramic nozzles available that have smaller outlet sizes, and
those help when the metal ones get too large due to the high speed stream of
blast media that go through them. If you only reduce the outlet nozzle, the
amount of blast media ejected will also be reduced. If you reduce the
pressure of the incoming air, the blast effect is also reduced. I have a 5
hp, twin cyl, compressor with a 60 gal. vertical tank. It is on a 240 V-
40amp circuit. My blast gun is restricted like I have described, and my
compressor will keep up, but has to run continously to maintain 90 psi or
so. The little pancake nail gun compressors do not have the cfm capacity.
Takes at least what I have to do the job. Larger than mine would be better.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 29 May 2011 00:26
> > On your question, How long of cord and more important what gauge wire?
> >
> > I run both my home and my airport compressors on 220 v. It makes sense
> since it requires smaller wire than 120 volt compressors. A 240 volt
> compressor will drawn 1/2 the amperage of a 120 volt compressor using the
> same horse power motors.
> >
> > You did not state how much amperage is available on that 240 volt plug
> you already have.
>
> Ken,
>
> He did say it was a dryer circuit - so 30 at least.
> mailto:30@240 will run a whole lot of air pump.
>
> He also said it was 10 feet away, so a 15 foot extension should put him in
> good shape.
>
> Matt
> --
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> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
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| Re: Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127876 is a reply to message #127861] |
Sun, 29 May 2011 09:18 |
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| Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 28 May 2011 21:26 |
On your question, How long of cord and more important what gauge wire?
I run both my home and my airport compressors on 220 v. It makes sense since it requires smaller wire than 120 volt compressors. A 240 volt compressor will drawn 1/2 the amperage of a 120 volt compressor using the same horse power motors.
You did not state how much amperage is available on that 240 volt plug you already have.
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Yeah, I think a 240V setup should work and with the glorified closet they call a 2-car garage here in Phoenix I'll probably need to stay in 30-40 gal range. But thanks for the note on AMP draw, I wouldn't have remembered that.
You've all given me alot of insight into why the price breaks come where they do with these compressors. I think I should get something that meets my painting needs and farm out the biggest blasting jobs for now.
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127902 is a reply to message #127879] |
Sun, 29 May 2011 14:37 |
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Hey, Danica might not have won, but she is still the best looking. Rookie
mistake, pranging the wall in turn 4, final lap. Only at INDY.
Jim Hupy, I didn't forget who to thank. Veterans made this day possible,
Thanks again.
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> That should have read 220-240 volt. % am on a McD break.
>
> BTW Get those flags flying!!!
>
>
> Tom E
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> On 5/29/11, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have the three cylinder, dual stage compressor driven by an old GE
> > 220-224 motor. ;otor is 110 duty cycle and is 75% heat finned. 'ooks
> > like today's 5HP motors. Runs @ 12.5 amps on 220 or 25 amps @ 110.
> > Puts 185 pounds in the tanks. Primary tank is 80 gallon and I couple
> > it to a 60 gallon when glass beading. Just gives longer run time to
> > start.
> >
> > Also, experiment with different abrasive grits. Cast iron cleans up
> > nicely with course fast cutting (black magic) abrasives.
> >
> > Tom Eckert
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/29/11, Randy <Acrosport2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 28 May 2011 21:26
> >>> On your question, How long of cord and more important what gauge wire?
> >>>
> >>> I run both my home and my airport compressors on 220 v. It makes sense
> >>> since it requires smaller wire than 120 volt compressors. A 240 volt
> >>> compressor will drawn 1/2 the amperage of a 120 volt compressor using
> >>> the
> >>> same horse power motors.
> >>>
> >>> You did not state how much amperage is available on that 240 volt plug
> >>> you
> >>> already have.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, I think a 240V setup should work and with the glorified closet
> they
> >> call a 2-car garage here in Phoenix I'll probably need to stay in 30-40
> >> gal
> >> range. But thanks for the note on AMP draw, I wouldn't have remembered
> >> that.
> >>
> >> You've all given me alot of insight into why the price breaks come where
> >> they do with these compressors. I think I should get something that
> meets
> >> my
> >> painting needs and farm out the biggest blasting jobs for now.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Randy
> >> 1973 26' Painted Desert
> >> Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
> >>
> >> Please check out www.greatcommissionair.org and help support if
> possible
> >> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP) [message #127904 is a reply to message #127902] |
Sun, 29 May 2011 15:16 |
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Yer welcome.
--johnny
MSGT, retired
--- On Sun, 5/29/11, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
From: James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Air compressor (SHOP)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, May 29, 2011, 7:37 PM
Hey, Danica might not have won, but she is still the best looking. Rookie
mistake, pranging the wall in turn 4, final lap. Only at INDY.
Jim Hupy, I didn't forget who to thank. Veterans made this day possible,
Thanks again.
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> That should have read 220-240 volt. % am on a McD break.
>
> BTW Get those flags flying!!!
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