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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127526 is a reply to message #127524] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 09:37   |
jhbridges
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Well, the energy required to dissociate water into hydrogen and oxygen is greater than the energy gained by oxidizing hydrogen.
I don't think she has a grasp of the nuances of the engine control computer (Though tha's a non-issue on a stock GMC coach).
If she had or hs a system which would conistently give improved mileage without sacrificing drivability, she could name her price, and would be rich beyond her wildest dreams.
Until I see a double blind test of this setup, it's roadapples.
--johnny
'my cousin's uncle's friend's brother invented a 200mpg carburetor, but the Big Oil Companies supressed it".
--- On Thu, 5/26/11, Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com> wrote:
From: Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com>
Subject: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real?
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 2:27 PM
I just read this and have a hard time believing that they will really try this: http://rvbuddies.net/will-rv-buddies-gmc-project-rv-go-hydrogen/
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| Re: RV Buddies for real? [message #127527 is a reply to message #127524] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 09:40 |
Andrew
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On the "Technology" page[1], they say:
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It is argued the energy released in combustion is less than or equals the energy consumed in electrolysis, which means more energy is required to drive the electrolysis process than can be extracted from burning the resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture. H2 Pure Power has changed the equation resulting in greater efficiency of hydrogen production.
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If that's true, then they've created perpetual motion, at least for environments where water is available.
I call shenanigans.
Ever hopeful, however.
[1] http://www.h2purepower.com/technology.html
1973 Sequoia 260 (since 2011)
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| Re: RV Buddies for real? [message #127530 is a reply to message #127527] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 10:29 |
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So then theoretically you could have a boat or submarine for that matter that runs on water. Seawater would just another add another level inefficiency if the salt would have to be removed via Reverse Osmosis first. Given the current technology, It wouldn't surprise me if we already had this on some super secret military vessels (now peeking through the blinds for a black SUV). LOL.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127531 is a reply to message #127527] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 10:25 |
James Hupy
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As Harry Morgan playing Col. Potter in M*A*S*H, used to say, "HorseApples"
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMc Royale 403
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Andrew <reynhout@quesera.com> wrote:
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> On the "Technology" page[1], they say:
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> > It is argued the energy released in combustion is less than or equals the
> energy consumed in electrolysis, which means more energy is required to
> drive the electrolysis process than can be extracted from burning the
> resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture. H2 Pure Power has changed the equation
> resulting in greater efficiency of hydrogen production.
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> If that's true, then they've created perpetual motion, at least for
> environments where water is available.
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> I call shenanigans.
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> Ever hopeful, however.
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> [1] http://www.h2purepower.com/technology.html
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> Savannah, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127533 is a reply to message #127527] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 10:33 |
jhbridges
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Your call is a bit more polite than mine.
--johnny
--- On Thu, 5/26/11, Andrew <reynhout@quesera.com> wrote:
From: Andrew <reynhout@quesera.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real?
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 2:40 PM
On the "Technology" page[1], they say:
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> It is argued the energy released in combustion is less than or equals the energy consumed in electrolysis, which means more energy is required to drive the electrolysis process than can be extracted from burning the resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture. H2 Pure Power has changed the equation resulting in greater efficiency of hydrogen production.
If that's true, then they've created perpetual motion, at least for environments where water is available.
I call shenanigans.
Ever hopeful, however.
[1] http://www.h2purepower.com/technology.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127537 is a reply to message #127533] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 11:27 |
Keith V
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This woman is an experienced and uncaring conman.
she has spent her life conning insurance companies and patients is to treatments for undetectable aliments...
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Meadows is an environmental-medicine physician... she tested toxicity levels in workers at industrial businesses and farms and treated them for related ailments.
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1 cup of distilled water? unless she is doing fusion there is no way near enough energy in a cup to power anything anywhere, much less for 2000 miles.
I mean thats the evaporation rate in a sealed container basically...
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For example, now drivers must add a cup of distilled water every 2,000 miles to maintain the hybrid-fuel system, but Meadows is developing a new version in which that won’t be necessary.
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Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127543 is a reply to message #127540] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 12:42 |
Keith V
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I almost believe her, maybe if she cured her self of AIDS too...
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she found herself in a desperate situation being bedridden with Multiple Sclerosis, Cancer, Heart Disease and even dying twice.
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Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127549 is a reply to message #127543] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 14:27 |
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Careful, Mary. Third time is a charm!
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
The Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith V" <my427v8@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:42:58 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real?
Gary Worobec wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 11:45
> Something is not right with this Mary Meadows person, Call me skeptical.
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> http://www.drmarymeadows.com/Home_Page.html
I almost believe her, maybe if she cured her self of AIDS too...
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> she found herself in a desperate situation being bedridden with Multiple Sclerosis, Cancer, Heart Disease and even dying twice.
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| Re: RV Buddies for real? [message #127555 is a reply to message #127527] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 14:57 |
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| Andrew wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 07:40 |
H2 Pure Power has changed the equation resulting in greater efficiency of hydrogen production.
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I changed the equation on a 7th grade algebra final and all it got me was summer school!
Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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| Re: RV Buddies for real? [message #127558 is a reply to message #127555] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 15:21 |
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What would it look like if one of these claims were true?
If someone had a breakthrough in separating hydrogen efficiently or a 2000 amp battery the size of a 12-pack, what would it actually look like?
There would be a press release and major news coverage. There would be peer reviewed technical article published.
Investors would line up and a product delivery dates would be announced.
I'm thinking a psychic with a crappy web site is NOT what it would look like.
Most of the energy breakthroughs have been incremental improvements on existing technology.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127577 is a reply to message #127549] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 18:39 |
jhbridges
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When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
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--- On Thu, 5/26/11, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real?
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 7:27 PM
Careful, Mary. Third time is a charm!
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
The Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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From: "Keith V" <my427v8@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:42:58 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real?
Gary Worobec wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 11:45
> Something is not right with this Mary Meadows person, Call me skeptical.
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> http://www.drmarymeadows.com/Home_Page.html
I almost believe her, maybe if she cured her self of AIDS too...
Quote:
> she found herself in a desperate situation being bedridden with Multiple Sclerosis, Cancer, Heart Disease and even dying twice.
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Keith
69 Vette
29 Dodge
75 Royale GMC
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I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127585 is a reply to message #127582] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 20:05 |
jhbridges
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Well, I hate to argue with the lady, after all, she has died twice - Jesus only made it once - so she's Special. Hoiwever, IC engines can be made to run on hydrogen, the problem is storing and distributing it. Probably a better motive system is electric, powered by a hydrogen fuel cell.
--johnny
--- On Fri, 5/27/11, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real?
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 12:43 AM
Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 12:39
> With such impressive credentials, I just can't understand why the
> venture capitalists aren't lined up to invest in her H2 project! :)
Maybe they understand you do not get "stuff" for nothing.
I, like most here, do not believe any of this "H2" stuff.
BUT...
The internal combustion engine does waste A LOT of energy. Finding a practical way to capture and use this energy....
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| Re: [GMCnet] RV Buddies for real? [message #127589 is a reply to message #127582] |
Thu, 26 May 2011 20:36 |
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| mike miller wrote on Thu, 26 May 2011 19:43 |
Maybe they understand you do not get "stuff" for nothing.
I, like most here, do not believe any of this "H2" stuff.
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A long time ago I worked (eng co-op student) in the development lab for an industrial furnace mfr. One project we were working with was some safety systems for hydrogen atmosphere furnaces. After the hydrogen explosions we had developing this I would never have anything to do with any hydrogen as vehicle fuel. Later in the utility business I had casual contact with the generator rotor hydrogen cooling systems and safeguards and none of that changed my opinion of the dangers of hydrogen. It makes gasoline look like a minor safety problem. Also ask the nuclear engineers/operators at the Japan nuc plant about hydrogen explosions.
Some detail for the furnace development: We had the furnace set up in a small room built at the end of a very large industrial crane bay. The room ceiling was made of drop in ceiling tiles. We launched those ceiling tiles several times before we got the project working right. That ceiling tile operation was the planned safety valve for the project.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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