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Looking at Quad bags [message #124949] Sat, 07 May 2011 08:47 Go to next message
shovelhead   United States
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Am close to changing to a quad bag system. Would anyone have an opinion on the difference between the Quadrabag from the Jims, as opposed to the Idencorp from Leigh Harrison. The price difference is substansial, and I know you get what you pay for. My coach is used for local weekend camping, not long distance trips. I beleive the bags on it now are the original, and I don't want to go back with those. Are there any others on the market i'm not aware of? Thanks.

Roger
77 Palm Beach
Re: Looking at Quad bags [message #124952 is a reply to message #124949] Sat, 07 May 2011 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Luvn737s is currently offline  Luvn737s   United States
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I like the single cone setup from both JimK and Southland. Simple, robust and a great direct replacement for OEM. If you're looking for an upgrade, then the Quad bag is probably the better bet.

Randy
1973 26' Painted Desert
Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
Re: Looking at Quad bags [message #124954 is a reply to message #124949] Sat, 07 May 2011 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peg is currently offline  Peg   United States
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I know Mark's been drooling over Harrison's.

Montanan with a Dream ...
Dreams do come TRUE don't they?

Mark & Peg
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Re: Looking at Quad bags [message #124962 is a reply to message #124952] Sat, 07 May 2011 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are now, a couple of single bag conversions, similar to the OEM design and I think 3 Quad bag versions.

I beleive the one that JimB and JimK are involved with is the most robust, ( read that as heavily built ) and other then not limiting coach drop when the air is down, is a really excellent unit.

I don't care for the first unit with the metal that flexes. I see that as a weak point and though we have not heard of one breaking, with my luck, it would break in the middle of no where with no cell phone service.

Now that a couple of single bag designs have come up, they are also a very good choice to consider.

The choice may not be an easy one anymore.

The Quad bags ride at a lower air pressure, enhancing the smoothness of the ride. I have not noticed any sway or rocking and handling is very good ( the JIMs 4 bagger ).

The singles are a higher air pressure but a single bag. The travel of the suspension is less than OEM but since we won't be driving over 4x4's any time soon as GM had advertised in the early years, that should not be a concern.

There was a stream in this forum not too long ago that was all over this topic, maybe a search can find it again.

You really need to look at all 4 or 5 of them, look at the pluses and minuses and decide what you really need and go from there...

My Thought


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Re: Looking at Quad bags [message #124971 is a reply to message #124954] Sat, 07 May 2011 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Peg wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 09:15

I know Mark's been drooling over Harrison's.



Did Harrison ever fix that bending problem with the center bracket?


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: Looking at Quad bags [message #124977 is a reply to message #124971] Sat, 07 May 2011 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 09:26

Peg wrote on Sat, 07 May 2011 09:15

I know Mark's been drooling over Harrison's.



Did Harrison ever fix that bending problem with the center bracket?


My understanding is that there are other issues with the Harisson system also, one of them being that the bags have to be run at a higher pressure than the Quad Bag. I think, all things considered, the Jim's Quad bag is the way to go. More expensive, but the better value.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member

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Re: Looking at Quad bags [message #124979 is a reply to message #124949] Sat, 07 May 2011 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
shovelhead   United States
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Just read Jim Bounds commentary from Jan 2004 that explains it all. Fellow newbies should read this. Thanks to all.
Re: [GMCnet] Looking at Quad bags [message #125001 is a reply to message #124971] Sat, 07 May 2011 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken,

I have the system on The Blue Streak Downunder and saw the pictures of Steve
Ferguson's Harrison system with the forward bag support bent backwards.

To prevent this from happening to me I made up a wood block that fits snugly
in between the bag supports.

I was going to show it to the attendees at Patterson 'cept I done forgot it
in Houston. I did remember to stick it in my coach when I went to Bean
Station but then forgot I had it.

When I get back home I'll put together a show and tell so people can see how
it works.

Obviously one can also prevent the problem by welding a second 3/8" inch rod
at the top between the bag supports.

I spoke to one of the most respected GMCer's about the system and he's had
it on his Royale for 12 years and never had a problem. He did swap one bag
on each side for the one that the Quadra Bag uses to reduce the pressure
required.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Did Harrison ever fix that bending problem with the center bracket?
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Re: [GMCnet] Looking at Quad bags [message #125005 is a reply to message #124954] Sat, 07 May 2011 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark,
There is a reason why the Q Bag system is more expensive.
It is stronger and does not demand the higher air pressure and rides smoother.
There are several inovations that one does not see till your
installing our units.
The standard bag does not have the proper spring rate that is required
for the coach to handle well on the back.
Jim B was the one that sold majoity of the Harrison units till we
teamed up to develope the Q Bag that met Jim's requirments.
Now we know from Firestone who sells the most.





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Re: Looking at Quad bags [message #125055 is a reply to message #124949] Sun, 08 May 2011 06:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I love my QuadraBag system. When I lost a rear wheel, hub and all, I was able to easily and safely and with complete control pull off to the side of the road. To me that alone was worth the price of admission.

Bill Brown - '77 Buckeye Cruiser
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Re: [GMCnet] Looking at Quad bags [message #125058 is a reply to message #125055] Sun, 08 May 2011 07:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm with Bill on this. I've had two flats and both bent the dickens out of
the Harrison setup. It will also require that you change the compressor to
permit running over 130 psi. Mine ran at 110 psi but when I needed full
raise, it took 150 psi. I never was able to tell the difference in ride
quality between the two, both enhance straight line drivablility in most
conditions that give GMCers white knuckles. The Quad bag system is built
tough, no way around it. If you have to drive on just one wheel on one of
the rear sides, the Quad bag system will take the licking and not bend.

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> able to easily and safely and with complete control pull off to the side of
> the road. To me that alone was worth the price of admission.
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Re: [GMCnet] Looking at Quad bags [message #125070 is a reply to message #125001] Sun, 08 May 2011 09:24 Go to previous message
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The difference in the bag size is done along with the location in
height and the side off set that Harrison did not see.
Our Professional designer Rick Flanagan detected this after he modeled
the unit on his computer and advised me of the change we would need to
do.
Also you'll notice our boggie pin nut goes on all the way, not like the other.
Again a costly step that makes for a superior unit.



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